Update on Applied Ballistics Kestrel model and Horus Kestrel

Christopher Rance

CR2 Shooting Solutions
Full Member
Minuteman
The Applied Ballistics release date has been pushed back. It’s now looking like we will start full production in the middle of May. The reason for this is that we are working on a TON of small improvements to the Horus which will also be applied to the AB units. I know it’s frustrating for everyone that they won’t be getting their units in April, but they will absolutely be getting a better product because of it, so hopefully that will be worth the wait!
 

Montana

Private
Full Member
Minuteman
Feb 20, 2013
63
1
TX
Can you explain how the standard Horus and the Applied Ballistics models differ?

I'm assuming both reference an Horus reticle, but what are the software differences between standard Horus and the accuracy 1st/applied ballistics models?
 

Montana

Private
Full Member
Minuteman
Feb 20, 2013
63
1
TX
Do some research bro. You are far off in left field with your assumptions...

I dont appear to be, I did some research and I see the AB model is pretty amazing, being able to take into account multiple sensors.

However, they do both seem to use the same ballistics models (as per improvements for the AB can also apply to the Horus).

I'm be interested as per above if existing Horus model owners can upgrade without a fee?
 

mikeltee

Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Jan 24, 2013
581
27
48
Fishers, IN
I dont appear to be, I did some research and I see the AB model is pretty amazing, being able to take into account multiple sensors.

However, they do both seem to use the same ballistics models (as per improvements for the AB can also apply to the Horus).

I'm be interested as per above if existing Horus model owners can upgrade without a fee?

May I suggest a book that's a must read for all hide members. It will answer all your questions... "Applied Ballistics For Long Range Shooting" by Brian Litz.
 

Montana

Private
Full Member
Minuteman
Feb 20, 2013
63
1
TX
May I suggest a book that's a must read for all hide members. It will answer all your questions... "Applied Ballistics For Long Range Shooting" by Brian Litz.

Are you reading something I didn't write?

I asked why specifically, the Kestrel Horus edition and Kestrel Applied ballistics versions differ?

The correct answer would be "The AB version can/does incorporate multiple sensors into its calculations and uses Litz's calclations. The Horus version uses it's own proprietary ballistics calculator".

Which is why I had my question, as Horus vision says they have proprietary ballistics tables, which we can now assume are heavily based on Litz's as the same improvements apply to each Kestrel.

Your response to both of my questions is somewhat confusing or you're reading the wrong thing.
 
Last edited:

lw8

Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Sep 19, 2010
303
1
47
TN
Is there a good synopsis of the new model and its features?
 

JayCarver

Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Jan 14, 2011
397
1
36
Alberta, Canada
sniper24INF: I just pre-ordered a BT model, are these still going to start shipping on June 10th like it says on the website or ?
 

mikeltee

Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Jan 24, 2013
581
27
48
Fishers, IN
Should we be expecting our pre-orders next week? I see the website says they ship June 30th.
 
Last edited:

mikeltee

Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Jan 24, 2013
581
27
48
Fishers, IN
Hey guess what? Yep. Pushed back AGAIN!!!! I wish companies would just be honest and quit bullshitting us with this 2 more weeks crap. Better yet.... Don't fu$king advertise it til its ready!!!! All you do is piss us off.

Edit: I just got out of my time machine and went ahead in the future 2 weeks. Guess what??? It's going to be pushed back again! Lol
 

Papa Zero Three

Quiet Professional
Full Member
Minuteman
Nov 22, 2012
1,617
8
Directly under the sun
Hey guess what? Yep. Pushed back AGAIN!!!! I wish companies would just be honest and quit bullshitting us with this 2 more weeks crap. Better yet.... Don't fu$king advertise it til its ready!!!! All you do is piss us off.

Edit: I just got out of my time machine and went ahead in the future 2 weeks. Guess what??? It's going to be pushed back again! Lol


Instead of bitching about it, why don't you get back in that time machine and go to the period of time when they are ready and bring them back for everyone? If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ;)
 

mikeltee

Sergeant
Full Member
Minuteman
Jan 24, 2013
581
27
48
Fishers, IN
I haven't quite worked out all the bugs. I can only go ahead 6 months and guess what.... They are still not available! lol
 

Lowlight

HMFIC of this Shit
Staff member
Moderator
Supporter
Minuteman
  • Apr 12, 2001
    34,762
    34,725
    Base of the Rockies
    www.snipershide.com
    Doesn't something like this fall under luxury and not necessity ? Which means owning it or not, delayed or on time won't change our life either way.

    I pre-ordered the first week, when it gets here it gets here. I still shoot every week without it. Doesn't stop me a single round.

    Its like waiting on a suppressor to clear, it cleats when it clears. Waiting is all part of it.

    Better to wait and it be right then get it early and suffer the glitches.
     

    Hairball

    Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
  • Jan 31, 2013
    1,123
    780
    SoCal
    Look at the bright side, at least you are not an MRAD owner and waiting for the .308 barrel conversion that was promised over a year ago. Just place the order and it will show up ...eventually. Heck, I am still waiting for a surefire brake that I ordered in the first week of Jan.
     

    mikeltee

    Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 24, 2013
    581
    27
    48
    Fishers, IN
    Yea I can't argue with you there. I feel bad for the MRADers out there that invested in a non-existent switch barrel setup. If I was an MRADer, I would have switched to DTA a long time ago.
     

    kerjo

    Private
    Supporter
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 16, 2011
    60
    19
    77W Longitude/43N Latitude
    A friend and I just got back from a 5 day prairie dog hunt in SD where we used a single Bluetooth Kestrel (4500NV) on a tripod with the Kestrel weather vane mount to propagate the fields of the Shooter program in each of our Droid Razr Maxx phones. The Kestrel would not propagate the fields simultaneously but after one of us got our data we could turn off the phone momentarily while the other received the data. Both the Shooter and AB programs have a field for wind direction and the Kestrel collects that information but does not transmit it to either program. We shot almost exclusively at 1000 yard dogs and the set up worked great for both of us. One of us got a 1089 yard dog.
    We were wondering if the new Kestrel with the AB program and BT will transmit and propagate the wind direction field? We have called Kestrel twice and we left our phone number but haven't had a response from engineering. Maybe sniper24INF can help?
     

    Lowlight

    HMFIC of this Shit
    Staff member
    Moderator
    Supporter
    Minuteman
  • Apr 12, 2001
    34,762
    34,725
    Base of the Rockies
    www.snipershide.com
    My Understanding is Bryan Litz is working on a downrange wind solution that will be part of the system.

    It's supposed to interconnect multiple sensor feeding wind data back from along the bullet's path.

    All Wirelessly
     

    kerjo

    Private
    Supporter
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 16, 2011
    60
    19
    77W Longitude/43N Latitude
    mikeltee, we both use BR Pivot benches for their stability. My friend has a Mark King smithed no-turn 6.5-284 built with a Nesika action. He uses a Berger 140 VLD or a Sierra 142 VLD. I'm not sure what the MV is out of his Krieger barrel. He has a NF NXS 5.5-22x50 with ZS with the NP-R2 reticle.
    My rig is a Jim Borden smithed no-turn 6BR built with a BAT action and a Krieger 1:8 twist barrel. I'm using the Berger 105 VLD hunting bullets that have a MV from my gun of 2965 fps. I have a NF NXS 8-32x56mm with HS and ZS with the MOAR. The ZS was very helpful when shooting at those ranges because there were times when if the turret indicated 5 it was most likely 25. But to be sure you could always click down to zero and get back to where you wanted to be very quickly. The MOAR worked well. I clicked for elevation and could use the reticle to hold for windage. The thickness of the reticle wasn't a problem that I thought it might be at those yardages with that small a target.
     

    kerjo

    Private
    Supporter
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 16, 2011
    60
    19
    77W Longitude/43N Latitude
    Lowlight,
    First, as I understand it, you started this forum. It's one of the best. Thanks.
    My friend and I talked to Bryan Litz at the SHOT Show a few years ago and are reading his book at present.
    We are always interested in what new and innovative things he is doing that will help us kill more prairie dogs at longer ranges.
     

    mikeltee

    Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 24, 2013
    581
    27
    48
    Fishers, IN
    I'm interested in knowing how they are going to transmit a signal from one of the wind detection modules to the handheld unit 1000yd away. It's a pretty pointless system with only a couple of hundred yards to work with. I really don't see much of a demand for info like this either. I totally understand Brian wanting to extend the capabilities of his formula with multiple wind readings though.
     

    Dagsta

    Gunny Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Feb 14, 2008
    1,345
    2
    67
    Louisiana
    OK so no one having these listed on their websites yet my question is. Where do I get in line for one of these? I must of missed out on the early ordering that apparently took place.

    Thanks!
     

    Fongman

    Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Mar 13, 2002
    454
    56
    DFW Texas
    I paid in February and it was $739, not sure if it was cheaper at some point previous to February.
     

    mikeltee

    Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 24, 2013
    581
    27
    48
    Fishers, IN
    I hear ya bro. I should have gone with my instincts and got a cheap model to play with this season. In this industry you got to multiply the projected date by 4. I'm sure it's for the best though, and this winter when they are in our hands, it will all be worth the wait.
     

    dieselgeek

    Do you even Shoot Bro?
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Dec 1, 2010
    1,426
    4
    Dallas, Texas
    I think I got a tracking number today. It was from CT and it was a SURESOURCE delivery.
     
    Last edited:

    Christopher Rance

    CR2 Shooting Solutions
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Kestrel Weather & Environmental Meters, manufactured by Nielsen-Kellerman (NK), is now shipping orders for the Kestrel Shooter’s Weather Meter with Applied Ballistics! If you purchased a unit through NKhome.com, the Kestrel manufacturer, your credit card will now be charged or you may be contacted by a Kestrel representative for updated payment information. Please feel free to contact NK at any time for information regarding your order and its estimated ship date at 610-447-1555. Orders will be shipped in the order they were received. If you purchased your unit from an authorized Kestrel dealer, please contact the dealer for all shipping information.
     

    dieselgeek

    Do you even Shoot Bro?
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Dec 1, 2010
    1,426
    4
    Dallas, Texas
    I think SURESOURCE was a water bottle i ordered. Unless you guys also use them.


    Edit, never mind it was a water bottle! I tried using it to get dope, it does not work.
     
    Last edited:

    mikeltee

    Sergeant
    Full Member
    Minuteman
    Jan 24, 2013
    581
    27
    48
    Fishers, IN
    I did too lowlight. No love came my way. I have been talking shit about the 2 weeks 2 weeks ohh... Just 2 more weeks bullshit, so I probably got bumped to the back of the line. I didn't really expect it til winter anyways so I'm not as upset as you. It's just a toy for me anyways. I can bang steel just fine without it.