Suppressors Update on my 6+ month wait on a trust.

[deersniper]

My paperwork for a Gemtech Sandstorm was sent over 6 months ago. My last 3 transfers took less than 3 months through the same dealer. Other current transfers are taking around 3 months with this dealer.

I finally figured I would call the ATF and see where my transfer was. I called the dealer to get the serial number, but of course I had to drive down there for them to give it to me. I think they didn't feel like looking it up. I get the serial, call ATF in the parking lot. ATF says the can isn't in their system, it is still shown as being at the dealer.

ATF asks if my check has been cashed. The dealer charged my card and sent his own check. I go back in to ask if they know if the check has been cashed, they don't answer, they just say lots of transfers take this long. They also say that transfers aren't put into the ATFs system until they are approved.

I have no idea if my paperwork was lost or on the dealers desk or what.

I'm never using this dealer again.

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

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The dealer is straight fucking you ..... thats why I ALWAYS send the paperwork myself with my own personal check. I have never heard of the dealer sending a check.

 

[M21tactical]

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I agree for some reason your dealer is blowing you off. Does not make sense especially since you have had success with them prior. Get a hold of the manager and have a lookie here talk. Hopefully you will get a hold of some one to help you out. The buck stops with the dealer at this point.

If you don't get any resolution, call the credit card company and start a dispute on services and merchandise. That should finally get some attention. That is the beauty of using credit cards and why I use them for most any thing.

My last three cans and forms 4s had my dealer provide the ATF with a check for my tax stamps. I liked it that way and used my credit card which is a good back up in case some thing happened. The transactions went flawlessly this way. But then again I have a good dealer that cares about their customers. Very professional and put my trust together for no extra cost. He has been doing class III business for awhile and knows what he is doing.

Good luck.

 

[deersniper]

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The owner and his wife were the ones I was talking to after the ATF call.

May think about using the credit card idea if they continue to be of no assistance.

My dealer (like most that I have dealt with) doesn't like trusts, asks me why I use them, says it takes the same amount of time, etc.

Glad I have $1500 tied up with this dealer. Not.

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

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WOW, I am surprised that the dealer would take a credit card for the tax stamp. Credit card companies usually chanrge 3% .... thats 6 bucks they are coming out of pocket. Plus when you let the dealer pay for the stamp that means you have no idea when or if the ATF got the paperwork.

Thats why I like paying for my own stamp, so that way I know when the check has been cashed and I know they have my paperwork, its my little reciept.

 

[KYS]

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I would call the ATF and let their practices be known to them and tell them how much trouble you are having with getting a straight answer regarding the Class 3 item you have already paid for.

I had a very well known class 3 dealer, here in KY, give me the run around on my approved forms for weeks. They had originally told me all transfers were $70.00 and that as long as the cans came at once it was $70.00 for the whole group. Even if it was 1,3, or 6 cans. I agreed to that, but when I called to see if my paperwork was there they said yes and at 4 suppressors you owe us $280.00. I told them no way in hell that was right and I would only pay the agreed amount. They said fine, we will honor your claims, but then started telling me all sorts of lies to keep me from coming to collect my items. When I got out there I confirmed they were lying and called a lawyer. He politely told them if my items were not turned over he would be writing a letter to the ATF and filing a claim in court. My items were turned over the next day and I told them I would never do business with them again and would spread the story of their deception to anyone I could.

 

[kmhamlin]

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+1 on calling ATF to rat out the dealer. I also agree on sending in the paperwork myself with my personal check. They are hosing you. It should not take this long.

 

[deersniper]

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Yeah, I don't know what the shops problem is. In the last 18 montsh between this shop and the one that the owners son runs, I have bought a Gemtech Multi-mount, Gemtech Outback II (great can), a Glock 26, a POF-308 (great gun), and a fair amount of ammo and small items. I figured that they would try to be helpful.

Trying to decide what to do next. The can should be in ATF's system shouldn't it?

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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Absolutely, when you check is cashed it hits the system. When you call the BATFE, you should get a response of "Pending" once the check is cashed until its approved. If the BATFE doesn't have it in the system, the dealer hasn't submitted it yet. Has your check been cashed for the Stamp yet? belay that, I saw that you paid with a credit card, thats a bit out of the norm. Most Class III/SOT's will ask you to write a $200.00 check directly to the BATFE, and send that in with your paperwork. My suggestion, call BATFE, give them the serial, if they have no record of it, I would demand your money back from the dealer.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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Sounds like they sold your suppressor out from underneath you, and haven't received the replacement in yet. They can't submit the paperwork until they have it in hand. That would be the only reason to accept credit card payment for the Stamp tax, to give themselves wiggle room. They are playing games with your money.

 

[deersniper]

Re: Update on my 6+ month wait on a trust.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like they sold your suppressor out from underneath you, and haven't received the replacement in yet. They can't submit the paperwork until they have it in hand. That would be the only reason to accept credit card payment for the Stamp tax, to give themselves wiggle room. They are playing games with your money. </div></div>

Nope, they still have it, they had to dig it out of the safe to get the serial number.

I'm going to call ATF tomorrow and if it isn't in the system, I will call the dealer and see if the check has been cashed.

 

[deersniper]

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Anyone know of an "official" website that shows that the cans are in the system as soon as the check is cashed. I need something to show my idiot dealer.

Thanks.
-dan

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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BATFE NFA Division in W. Virginia 304.616.4500

 

[j-huskey]

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You are being screwed by the dealer.

Whenever I called ATFE at the number above, they could tell me exactly when they cashed the check and when the item entered their system for approval for you.
They can also give you the examiner's number for that dealer and you can speak directly to him/her if you want to go that far.

 

[RTH1800]

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I would make a deal with the dealer prior to scorched earth. Acheive the desired result, then do the damage.

 

[deersniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would make a deal with the dealer prior to scorched earth. Acheive the desired result, then do the damage. </div></div>

Yeah, I'm trying to get my can, not going to threaten calls to the ATF yet.

Called today to ask when the check to ATF was cashed. He was not happy, said he would call me back.

-dan

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhuskey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are being screwed by the dealer.

Whenever I called ATFE at the number above, they could tell me exactly when they cashed the check and when the item entered their system for approval for you.
They can also give you the examiner's number for that dealer and you can speak directly to him/her if you want to go that far. </div></div>

Only your back can tell you when the check was cashed. How would the ATF know when each individual check was cashed? They see 100's of checks a day, maybe even more.

 

[Cigarcop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deersniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yeah, I'm trying to get my can, not going to threaten calls to the ATF yet.

Called today to ask when the check to ATF was cashed. He was not happy, said he would call me back.

-dan </div></div>

I don't know if pissing them off is the best way to get things moving???

 

[deersniper]

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This dealer charges the customer and sends his own check. ?

-dan

 

[deersniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cigarcop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[


I don't know if pissing them off is the best way to get things moving??? </div></div>

They are unhelpful to say the least, and they lie to me, so I won't go out of my way to piss them off, but if looking up serial numbers and confirming that the ATF cashed THE DEALER's check aggravates them, then I really don't care.

 

[427Cobra]

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Here's what I would do, call in the serial number and record the conversation, when the nice US Government Employee says there is no record of that serial number, play that for them, and get your money back.

 

[birddog762]

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i would be demanding a refund as it is painfully obvious they are jerking you around.they havent submitted shit. take your money elsewhere. then in the future: dont pay in full unless it is on site with a serial number that you can put on the f4. send out the paperwork yourself with a check you can see when it cashes.also send paperwork certified, return receipt requested so someone is accountable at nfa and you have proof it was recived and when. hope it works out for you.

 

[johngfoster]

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I think you need to go deal with this in person in front of them. Take your credit card records with you to prove that your card was charged by them for the said amount. If they give you the runaround, tell them you will wait there in their store for them to get the info for you. Don't leave without the date they claim to have had their check clear. Call the BATFE in front of them and then have the agent repeat it back to the store clerk in front of you that they have not received the check yet. Be polite, but hold their feet to the fire.

 

[Rotortuner]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johngfoster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you need to go deal with this in person in front of them. Take your credit card records with you to prove that your card was charged by them for the said amount. If they give you the runaround, tell them you will wait there in their store for them to get the info for you. Don't leave without the date they claim to have had their check clear. Call the BATFE in front of them and then have the agent repeat it back to the store clerk in front of you that they have not received the check yet. Be polite, but hold their feet to the fire. </div></div>

Yep, I think this is the best way to go about it, if it gets real bad, just demand a refund. Total BS!

CJG

 

[feely1]

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I am a Class 3 dealer in Texas. I agree with most of what is being said about B.S. on your dealer. I suggest that all my clients send a personal check so they can personally check the status of their paperwork. I have heard the same story on 4 different dealers within the past month. One individual has been waiting almost 2 years for his product. I can not stress it enough, find a dealer who will take the time to demo cans, do not try and nickel/dime a silencer. I have seen to much of the shady B.S. lately.

 

[deersniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: feely1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a Class 3 dealer in Texas. I agree with most of what is being said about B.S. on your dealer. I suggest that all my clients send a personal check so they can personally check the status of their paperwork. I have heard the same story on 4 different dealers within the past month. One individual has been waiting almost 2 years for his product. I can not stress it enough, find a dealer who will take the time to demo cans, do not try and nickel/dime a silencer. I have seen to much of the shady B.S. lately. </div></div>

Yeah, this dealer worked fine/good (2-3 months and no problems) on 3 other transfers. I don't know what the problem is now. I'l probably stop in on Monday and try to get them to tell me if/when the check was cashed.

What do you mean about demoing the cans, I've bought mostly high/higher end cans at retail price.

 

[Macduff]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would call the ATF and let their practices be known to them and tell them how much trouble you are having with getting a straight answer regarding the Class 3 item you have already paid for.

I had a very well known class 3 dealer, here in KY, give me the run around on my approved forms for weeks. They had originally told me all transfers were $70.00 and that as long as the cans came at once it was $70.00 for the whole group. Even if it was 1,3, or 6 cans. I agreed to that, but when I called to see if my paperwork was there they said yes and at 4 suppressors you owe us $280.00. I told them no way in hell that was right and I would only pay the agreed amount. They said fine, we will honor your claims, but then started telling me all sorts of lies to keep me from coming to collect my items. When I got out there I confirmed they were lying and called a lawyer. He politely told them if my items were not turned over he would be writing a letter to the ATF and filing a claim in court. My items were turned over the next day and I told them I would never do business with them again and would spread the story of their deception to anyone I could.

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Which dealer was this? I'm considering a suppressor and I don't want to do business with anyone who would try something like that. PM me if you don't feel like posting it please.

 

[deersniper]

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I called the dealer today and finally got them to see if the check cleared. They just called me (9:45 pm) and they have a whole different attitude. Said they are going to send all my paperwork "again". I think they just found my original paperwork or something.

So the waiting games starts again.

-dan

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

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Hopefully they found your paperwork, OR they forged your signature on new stuff.

 

[Tucsondave]

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My last one went in Jan9th '10 and check was cashed Jan17th. Was pending as of Feb 19th. Corporation. The one before that was 90 days from sending in to receiving stamp.

 

[Tomcat]

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I wouldnt let them have a 2nd chance, now is your opportunity to ensure this is done correctly by doing it yourself.

The dealer sending in the check sounds fishy to me -
The BATFE records all incoming requests accompanied by a check and catalogs this by serial number. When they get a check for a stamp, the serial number is recorded. The first step is that its assigned to a analyst. Unfortunately that is the only step, but the BATFE will be able to tell you when it was assigned. Typicaly 3 - 4 weeks after you mail the check to them. So the BATFE has a record of when they receive your letter and when they assign the request.
Call the BATFE with the serial number 304-616-4500 - be nice, these folks are our servants and they take offense easily.