UPS about to go on strike? Request other shippers

[Milf Dots]

A day ago I read that UPS workers are on the precipice of another strike over contract- and now I just got an email saying my shipment which was scheduled to be delivered yesterday, is rescheduled for Monday. Since it didn't arrive yesterday as scheduled, it really should've been scheduled for today- that would be fair...

I've always hated the socialist concept known as labor unions.

 

[Milf Dots]

And it looks like my package from Kestrel will ship Monday (it should've shipped Thursday) and be screwed by the same above nonsense- because they don't use any other shippers. With everything going on in the world, how does a company only use one shipper?! Do they have no redundancy, no plan B? Wtf

 

[Remnar]

The problem with the strike issue is that when shopping for a freight carrier you get your best pricing based on the volume you ship. This tends to drive companies to a single source.

The company I work for contracts with UPS for a good portion of our small package shipping as well as some freight. Many months ago we reached out to competitors to build a contingency for the possible strike. We were told that in the event of a strike they were only going to provide service to companies that currently are contracted with them. As a result we split off some of our volume. This resulted in more costly shipping as everything is based on volume.

 

[vh20]

A day ago I read that UPS workers are on the precipice of another strike over contract- and now I just got an email saying my shipment which was scheduled to be delivered yesterday, is rescheduled for Monday. Since it didn't arrive yesterday as scheduled, it really should've been scheduled for today- that would be fair...

I've always hated the socialist concept known as labor unions.

UPS doesn't normally deliver on Saturday, so Monday makes sense (FedEx does Saturday delivery, but at additional cost) . The strike has been in the news for weeks. I think their labor contract with employees extends to the end of this month (either the 28th, or the 31st, can't remember). Anyway, if there's a strike it shouldn't start until then and your package should arrive Monday without being affected. I wouldn't order anything shipped via UPS near the end of the month though.

I was in your situation last week. I ordered a very expensive package from Mile High. I thought they were using FedEx. The next day I saw a story that "negotiations had broken down with UPS management and the union that morning, and a strike was imminent. The article was poorly written and made it sound like it was happening that day. A few hours later I get tracking info emailed from MH with a UPS tracking number. Oh crap! Anyway, further research showed that the strike will start when the current contract ends at the end of this month. I also got a delay in shipping because even though UPS delivered this Monday, the FFL I was using was closed Monday and Tuesday for the 4th. So my package sat at the hub from Saturday to Wednesday. It was a bit of a nail biter but really nothing out of the ordinary actually happened.

 

[Redmanss]

They want air conditioning and/or fans in their vehicles. Who the fuck do they think they are, Donald Trump?

 

[rjacobs]

Their contract doesnt expire until I believe August 1st... So they cant strike until then.

You got a few weeks..

 

[rjacobs]

They want air conditioning and/or fans in their vehicles. Who the fuck do they think they are, Donald Trump?

Probably they do, but the last thing I read was that UPS offered what would amount to concessionary pay rates from their current contract.

In 2022 UPS had 100 billion in revenue and 13 billion in profit. 13% profit margin is unheard of...

Guess who made that possible? The 200k+ union employees busting their asses? Possibly... but nah, management doesnt want to recognize the employees who made that profit possible.

 

[Redmanss]

It's well known in shipping that management's capital investment and risk equals profits, not employee contributions. Just ask the railroads.

 

[Inifinty]

It's well known in shipping that management's capital investment and risk equals profits, not employee contributions. Just ask the railroads.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Probably they do, but the last thing I read was that UPS offered what would amount to concessionary pay rates from their current contract.

In 2022 UPS had 100 billion in revenue and 13 billion in profit. 13% profit margin is unheard of...

Guess who made that possible? The 200k+ union employees busting their asses? Possibly... but nah, management doesnt want to recognize the employees who made that profit possible.

Congrats, you literally just described every business out there.

 

[rjacobs]

Congrats, you literally just described every business out there.

yup and a lot of business's recognize who made them said money by offering bonus's, raises, etc... not trying to get them to sign a concessionary contract when you just made record revenue and profits... The company doesnt have a leg to stand on here IMO. And guess what, when the 200k+ union employee's go on strike, the company is going to be hurt FAR MORE than had they thrown some pocket change to the minions...

UPS, as they often do, doesnt recognize their employees at all.

In 2008 they furloughed ~300 pilots... then they had management pilots go fly in place of those furloughed pilots because they needed the butts in the seats... They did this because the union wouldnt play ball and agree to "cost cutting" measures due to the recession... HOWEVER UPS made a 3.5 billion profit in 2008... UPS made a 2.3 billion profit in 2009. So they were using the "recession" to try to squeeze the turnip, but the books said something different and the union held strong. They were union busting plain and simple. Most people I know that work for UPS say they like working there 2 days per month...pay day...

 

[NoDopes]

If a recession hits, are those union workers going to give up pay or allow layoffs?

No? Yeah, didn't think so. Hostess. They rather see a business go bankrupt than give an inch back.

 

[rjacobs]

If a recession hits, are those union workers going to give up pay or allow layoffs?

No? Yeah, didn't think so. Hostess. They rather see a business go bankrupt than give an inch back.

At least in my industry I have not seen a union NOT agree to concessions in order to help the company out...provided the company is actually in financial trouble.

Problem is the company comes to the union at the first sign of anything going awry, yet when the books are opened up, they cant actually prove their case. OR they refuse to open the books(because they are hiding the fact that things aren't really THAT BAD). This happened at my company during covid. They demanded a 10% pay cut, but couldnt show the math that that would ACTUALLY do anything to the bottom line. They also wouldnt agree to no furloughs if we agreed to the 10% cut. At the time most union members said they would be willing to give 10% for 12-18 months to save the 1200 furloughs they were proposing... Of course the company wanted its cake and also wanted to eat it...

Most unions, regardless of industry, have seen the same song played over and over. There are only so many plays in the "union busting" playbook and most have been played over and over again so its pretty easy to see through them.

My company "we dont have any money to afford to give you all the contract you want"... "we just reinstituted stock dividend payments for our share holders"... "we just paid out millions of dollars in executive bonus's"... "we have have so much money in the bank we could cover our entire debt obligation and still have money left over"... So which is it, no money...or on the other hand, plenty of money...

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

 

[Redmanss]

If a recession hits, are those union workers going to give up pay or allow layoffs?

No? Yeah, didn't think so. Hostess. They rather see a business go bankrupt than give an inch back.

Unions don't have a say in layoffs, that is purely a management decision point, and typically the only union involvement is requiring laid off employees be recalled before new hiring can take place.

As it stands, UPS is well primed to endure recessions simply by the present day model of online purchases dominating the marketplace. They're netting eleven figures over the last few years with a massive spike that's held over Covid and beyond.

 

[Inifinty]

Aren't unions beholden to the same powers that be that capital investments are?

Would not be surprised if behind the scenes they are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Having run my own business over 20 years (over 20 years ago...) it absolutely floors me that no one remembers that it takes team effort to make a business go/grow. For some fucked up reason, management is the 21st century has decided all the guys driving the trucks and doing the work are fucking scabs and lucky to have a job...all the while not understanding that if these guys don't drive trucks and actually do the work management is just a concept. The work needs to get done and if it doesn't get done all the management and investment in the world Don't. Mean. Shit.

The guys who turn the screws make the rules. Everyone else is "Support" and expendable.

VooDoo

 

[rjacobs]

Aren't unions beholden to the same powers that be that capital investments are?

NOT REALLY... BUT... it doesnt make sense for a union to come at the company during negotiations asking for $1 million dollars per hour pay rate... its obviously not feasible...

My union has some very smart financial people. During negotiations for our current contract the company said "we have nothing to give" which wasnt actually true once we delved deep into the books. Our guys actually found that the company was not doing some calculation or assumption correctly and had like 400 million extra they werent accounting for or had accounted for incorrectly. Our CFO was like "damn, how did we miss that"... We also got Wall Street on our side and said "we obviously dont want to kill the golden goose and here are our predictions on what the changes we are proposing will do to revenue and profits". I believe our predictions were actually low of what actually occured. We got Wall Street on our side. Since then we have been invited to speak at our industries Wall Street conferences every year... thats unheard of to have a union speak at the Wall Street industry conferences.

 

[ironman56]

If a recession hits, are those union workers going to give up pay or allow layoffs?

No? Yeah, didn't think so. Hostess. They rather see a business go bankrupt than give an inch back.

Not necessarily, in 1985 when the bottom fell out of the market , the Ironworkers in Texas took a pay cut , in Austin anyway , it took about 7 years to get back to where they were before the recession, it didn't hurt me too bad as I always made above scale but the lums took a hit.

 

[sgtsmmiii]

They want air conditioning and/or fans in their vehicles. Who the fuck do they think they are, Donald Trump?

My UPS guy ( great guy, BTW ) said they gave up A/C before for more money in their pocket. He said he would just as soon sweat to put more money in his pocket. I would agree.

 

[Milf Dots]

There's a big difference between being anti-union, and 'not caring about workers'... People who work directly for the unions and make unreasonable demands on companies (because they don't work for the company) should be hung publicly along with any greedy executives.

The single most anti-worker and anti-American thing is voting for people who support open borders and easy illegal entry into America, because those tens of millions of illegal aliens hold down wages for unskilled and low skilled Americans.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

My ups always delivers on Saturday. I just got a package from a guy on here today actually.

I don't think unions are a net positive for anyone accept the union bosses these days. My FIL always talked about how the union was not all bad and would help him if he needed it ect... until he needed it...... he sings a much different song now days...

 

[rjacobs]

I don't think unions are a net positive for anyone accept the union bosses these days. My FIL always talked about how the union was not all bad and would help him if he needed it ect... until he needed it...... he sings a much different song now days...

My union is overall great and I have no problem paying my 1% dues. Were currently paying an extra .35% I think it is to cover the people who are on full time due to ongoing contract negotiations and strike preparedness... again, im ok with this.

We do have our standard 5% or maybe even 10% of grifters and I will call those mother fuckers out by name. They are able to do their union job while working their full time job and get paid for both...and they know it...and they protect their "turf" at all costs.... anybody comes in and they are treat like "you're taking part of MY CHEESE"... sorry... as a union member its MY CHEESE MOTHER FUCKER...

 

[Haney]

A day ago I read that UPS workers are on the precipice of another strike over contract- and now I just got an email saying my shipment which was scheduled to be delivered yesterday, is rescheduled for Monday. Since it didn't arrive yesterday as scheduled, it really should've been scheduled for today- that would be fair...

I've always hated the socialist concept known as labor unions.

Go pick up your shit up yourself if you don't want them to deliver it . Fucking whine ass threads are never ending with you women .

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

My union is overall great and I have no problem paying my 1% dues. Were currently paying an extra .35% I think it is to cover the people who are on full time due to ongoing contract negotiations and strike preparedness... again, im ok with this.

We do have our standard 5% or maybe even 10% of grifters and I will call those mother fuckers out by name. They are able to do their union job while working their full time job and get paid for both...and they know it...and they protect their "turf" at all costs.... anybody comes in and they are treat like "you're taking part of MY CHEESE"... sorry... as a union member its MY CHEESE MOTHER FUCKER...

Yeah that's the same bull shot my fil used to say...

 

[vh20]

My ups always delivers on Saturday. I just got a package from a guy on here today actually.

Yep, I guess they do depending on where you live apparently. Not here though.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Yep, I guess they do depending on where you live apparently. Not here though.

Huh, that's odd. I love my driver. He's a great guy and of course I guess I see him more than most given the crap I trade and buy all the time. Different guy on Saturday though, the regular guy is only Mon-Fri.

 

[rjacobs]

Yeah that's the same bull shot my fil used to say...

Honestly thats the same in every organization whether union or not union... same shoes different outfit.

I worked for my union for about 2 years with one of them...and I always felt like I was not welcome because I was taking part of his cheese... Anyway, we interacted monthly with our counterparts at the company. 3 of them. One was the program manager, one was the senior analyst and one was just an analyst. #1 didnt want to do anything to rock the boat with the company because he wanted a promotion inside of their overall department...fucking wanker that would never push any group concerns up the flag pole. #2 wanted #1's job so they "ran the show" and it was annoying and we as the union had to constantly ask "who the fuck is in charge? oh you... then make a fucking decision".... #3 did 99% of the real work and was actually on our side 99% of the time, but she couldnt say it because she was supposed to be on the companies side. The 2 guys I worked with from the union never understood the hierarchy and internal politics of the company because we, as union members, work on a strictly seniority basis. I had to explain it to them that #1 wants to move up, #2 wants his job, and #3 just wants to go the fuck home at 5pm, drink a bottle of wine, get laid, and go to bed because they work a shitty analyst job LOL...

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

It's probably good timing for a strike. They couldn't find enough scabs to cover a small cities deliveries.