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US Contract Working Dogs Abandoned at Kabul Airport

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darn the left money , guns , ammo , equipment , raidos, tanks , armored troop transports ,helicopters , people citizens and the dogs and allies , biden's crew is batting 1000 + he paid terrorist even more cash it's just sad , and pathetic . why is he still in office ?
 
People have a fighting chance. Leaving a dog in a cage, though, that's sick.

Joe Biden wasn't at that airport, someone else made that call and a lot of someone elses had to obey.
 
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The only problem with humanity...... is the humans.

I've never known the AmeriYank's to give up as fast as the Dutch government. To abandon ship as fast as the French government. Or to run as cowardly away as...... yeah, your government set the bar.

Your American government are making the Punk Martinet of Canada, who'se name is Just-in-time Turd-Ho..... look GOOD.

And that's bad.
 
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from one of the military pages I'm on. Unlikely they are US military dogs...
 
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Statement from two separate organizations working to get service dogs back associated with that picture. So there is a refugee family taking care of the dogs waiting for a flight. The Turkish government is now working the airfield.

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Contractor left dogs... So probably POS blackwater or whatever they call themselves now...
 

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Not only do they walk away from American citizens, they left 48 working dogs at the airport? How many of the last few flights left almost empty?

Updated to 51 dogs. The have not been left in cages to die.
This was caused by a late CDC suspension of dogs entering the United States.

"Beginning July 14, 2021, there is a temporary suspension for dogs imported from high-risk countries for dog rabies."
Afghanistan is on the list. "https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/high-risk.html"

Compounding the problem is another organization that ran into the same problem, but with over 130 dogs and puppies. Kabul Small Animal Rescue (KSAR). Those dogs were released into the Airport before evacuation in an area for housing airport personnel. One caretaker being the founder of the organization elected to stay behind to care for a few of the ones she could. Charlotte Maxwell-Jones, was forced to leave the airport and go to the Taliban. The Taliban provided escort to the animal shelter, 7 miles outside of Kabul.

There is some confusion on the number of dogs that were released as KSAR and the Veteran Sheepdogs of America were pooling their efforts at some point and the counts are off in the reports accordingly.

KSAR's intent is to return to the airport once regular flights resume, send another chartered flight and rescue any surviving dogs.
Source, "https://www.spcai.org/news/press/ur...from-charlotte-kabul-small-animal-rescue-ksar"

I've pulled this story together hastily from various sources. Some of the above details may be in error. I.E. I don't know why the CDC ban created a problem for the dogs to merely board planes traveling to Ramstein if they had means to retain the dogs in Germany.
 
FOX news just asked Kirby about the abandoned dogs on national TV.

Kirby - I was not aware there were working dogs left. I will have to get back to you.
 
Wait, wait, wait.....they stopped bringing dogs in due to rabies or whatever, but tens of thousands of people from A-stan brought in with no screening. Hundreds of thousands pouring through our southern open border each month with no screening. Am I missing something here?
 
Wait, wait, wait.....they stopped bringing dogs in due to rabies or whatever, but tens of thousands of people from A-stan brought in with no screening. Hundreds of thousands pouring through our southern open border each month with no screening. Am I missing something here?
them folks gettin' free healthcare.
 
All of the disgusting shit that’s gone on during the war of terror and you guys thought something would change during a last second, terribly planned withdrawal?
 
darn the left money , guns , ammo , equipment , raidos, tanks , armored troop transports ,helicopters , people citizens and the dogs and allies , biden's crew is batting 1000 + he paid terrorist even more cash it's just sad , and pathetic . why is he still in office ?
Cause we are a nation of sheep and pussies. That’s why he’s in office!
 
All of the disgusting shit that’s gone on during the war of terror and you guys thought something would change during a last second, terribly planned withdrawal?

What's the difference between a withdraw and a surrender? Cause this sure looks like a surrender to me. A withdraw would have meant that all personnel and equipment would be removed from the battlefield, a surrender is you leave everything behind and hightail it out of the war zone.
 
It’s a safe bet that the dogs are either Afghan armed forces or private contractor dogs. It my understanding that US working dogs out rank their handlers in most cases in case a rank of order needs to happen. The dog takes precedence over his handler. I don’t put anything past this shitty shitty shitty administration but I think …rather hope they are not US dogs
 
It’s a safe bet that the dogs are either Afghan armed forces or private contractor dogs. It my understanding that US working dogs out rank their handlers in most cases in case a rank of order needs to happen. The dog takes precedence over his handler. I don’t put anything past this shitty shitty shitty administration but I think …rather hope they are not US dogs
Those dogs are worth way the fuck more than anyone in that political association.including potato head!
 

Not only do they walk away from American citizens, they left 48 working dogs at the airport? How many of the last few flights left almost empty?

Empty?
Nah we filled them with Afghans who probably hold tons of resentment for America and have values incompatible with western culture.

Cant scare dumb people out of their rights and taxes with “terror” if you don’t import some terrorists, it reminds me of the end of a typical shitty movie where they obviously set up for the even shittier sequel.
 
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What's the difference between a withdraw and a surrender? Cause this sure looks like a surrender to me. A withdraw would have meant that all personnel and equipment would be removed from the battlefield, a surrender is you leave everything behind and hightail it out of the war zone.
The name of this debacle is irrelevant. Surrender or withdrawal, makes no difference. These psychopaths don’t care about anything but their agenda, which has nothing to do with what they are saying publicly.
 
darn the left money , guns , ammo , equipment , raidos, tanks , armored troop transports ,helicopters , people citizens and the dogs and allies , biden's crew is batting 1000 + he paid terrorist even more cash it's just sad , and pathetic . why is he still in office ?
Because he got 80+ million fake votes... my guess is the Dems are trying really hard and will do anything to cover up a very big lie perpetrated on the American people,not to mention all the money laundering.
 
Wait, wait, wait.....they stopped bringing dogs in due to rabies or whatever, but tens of thousands of people from A-stan brought in with no screening. Hundreds of thousands pouring through our southern open border each month with no screening. Am I missing something here?
The smoke screen.
 
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Taliban want to be your BFF's so why all the hate :ROFLMAO:

 
Well I’ll be damned. Seems Biden may be the great unifier. I just saw the spokes woman for PETA and Tucker Carlson do an entire segment and agree on every point.
 
Well I’ll be damned. Seems Biden may be the great unifier. I just saw the spokes woman for PETA and Tucker Carlson do an entire segment and agree on every point.
I doubt it. My Marxist, Obama/Hillary loving, anti-hunting, anti-religion, God hating, PETA member older sister will still support Biden, continue to vote communistDemocrat and run Trump down on Facebook to her high school English students.
 
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Updated to 51 dogs. The have not been left in cages to die.
This was caused by a late CDC suspension of dogs entering the United States.

"Beginning July 14, 2021, there is a temporary suspension for dogs imported from high-risk countries for dog rabies."
Afghanistan is on the list. "https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/high-risk.html"

Compounding the problem is another organization that ran into the same problem, but with over 130 dogs and puppies. Kabul Small Animal Rescue (KSAR). Those dogs were released into the Airport before evacuation in an area for housing airport personnel. One caretaker being the founder of the organization elected to stay behind to care for a few of the ones she could. Charlotte Maxwell-Jones, was forced to leave the airport and go to the Taliban. The Taliban provided escort to the animal shelter, 7 miles outside of Kabul.

There is some confusion on the number of dogs that were released as KSAR and the Veteran Sheepdogs of America were pooling their efforts at some point and the counts are off in the reports accordingly.

KSAR's intent is to return to the airport once regular flights resume, send another chartered flight and rescue any surviving dogs.
Source, "https://www.spcai.org/news/press/ur...from-charlotte-kabul-small-animal-rescue-ksar"

I've pulled this story together hastily from various sources. Some of the above details may be in error. I.E. I don't know why the CDC ban created a problem for the dogs to merely board planes traveling to Ramstein if they had means to retain the dogs in Germany.
It may have been caused by it. Getting them back in the states is now a fiasco even if you have PCS orders. My wife and I have been dealing with this since June when it was announced, and the BS has been beyond belief. They implemented this within 30 days but didn't even have the guidance out for it until 2 weeks after the announcement in June. In a meeting where my wife was in attendance inside a US Embassy with the CDC rep, and I was on video, they even had the audacity to announce that it was also for the benefit of the animals because there had been instances where animals were not taken care of at airports...while knowing full well that this was going to force people to try and get their animals on flights in the middle of summer. Where we are at it is 115 average....You are required to get tests which are not even available in the country, and there are no appeals if something is wrong with the paperwork. Don't be surprised if you see us on FOX with our dog that has traveled from a ditch in the mountains of Afghanistan to the US and then back over to the Middle East. ETA: After Oct they will only allow dogs to go to a few airports, and if the only carrier you have does not go to that airport you are screwed as well.
 
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How TF can you leave your dog?! Whatever service members that left their dogs needs to be hooker punched in the nuts.
 
Nisour Square massacre.......
And again, you have no idea what you are talking about, but go ahead and tell us your experiences working with and alongside Blackwater contractors. The ones I worked with in Ramadi, Kirkuk, Baghdad, Mosul, Kabul, Jalalabad......and on and on, were former SEALs, Special Forces, MARSOC, Force, and some PJs and were professionals all the way. As far as the Nisour Square massacre, were you there? I was not, and do not know what all happened during this one incident. I will tell you right now I have my biases against the FBI and I know full well there was an agenda in play.
 
Dogs were left at the animal shelter by contractors, it was the KSAR folks that wanted to evacuate them from Kabul , contractors abandoned the dogs long before.

. Kabul Small Animal Rescue (KSAR), a non-profit that runs a shelter outside of Kabul, previously said it had brought approximately 130 dogs to the airport in Kabul in the hopes of getting them evacuated. Around 50 of those dogs were "working dogs abandoned by contractors who supported the U.S. mission.


*For those who were worried about the service dogs abandoned at the Airport The Taliban said they were forced round up the dogs, but not in order to torture and kill them, but in order to put them in the service of the Islamic Emirate and train them accordingly. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Nisour Square massacre.......

If you are interested in learning more to the story here are some links to educate yourself on the subject.

 
If you are interested in learning more to the story here are some links to educate yourself on the subject.


Here’s some good ones for you to educate yourself on https://www.cbsnews.com/news/making-sense-of-the-blackwater-connection/


 
Here’s some good ones for you to educate yourself on https://www.cbsnews.com/news/making-sense-of-the-blackwater-connection/



Noted. Also, the financial times article link is not working.

In all that I could read from the CBS article and each of the reported misconduct incidents, I did not see anything that would leave me to believe the contractors were themselves unprofessional actors within the parameters of their assigned missions. If the 2009 CBS reporting held to be true, I think the discussion should be about the CIA's and our governments choices to use contractors in the first place and about the types of assignments they were given.

Did any of those articles have any of those have anything to do with the Nisour Square massacre, except it being noted as a misconduct incident?

If your intent is demonstrate that the nature of the assignments given to Blackwater were not admirable, or even that Erik Prince himself unhealthy actor, then I believe that would merit a separate debate for further discussion.

After reviewing the information regarding the Nisour Square incident that I provided above, did you find anything that would alter your opinion of the individuals or the company's action in that event?
 
Noted. Also, the financial times article link is not working.

In all that I could read from the CBS article and each of the reported misconduct incidents, I did not see anything that would leave me to believe the contractors were themselves unprofessional actors within the parameters of their assigned missions. If the 2009 CBS reporting held to be true, I think the discussion should be about the CIA's and our governments choices to use contractors in the first place and about the types of assignments they were given.

Did any of those articles have any of those have anything to do with the Nisour Square massacre, except it being noted as a misconduct incident?

If your intent is demonstrate that the nature of the assignments given to Blackwater were not admirable, or even that Erik Prince himself unhealthy actor, then I believe that would merit a separate debate for further discussion.

After reviewing the information regarding the Nisour Square incident that I provided above, did you find anything that would alter your opinion of the individuals or the company's action in that event?
Though I don't have 6 hours to watch that between work and 2 tiny kids, I can appreciate your intelligent post. I have worked with blackwater before. Yes most are ex SF and know their shit. I feel like they were simply a mercenary extension of the military allowed to run wild and not follow rules in place for everyone else. That is why I am not a fan of them.....
 
I feel like they were simply a mercenary extension of the military allowed to run wild and not follow rules in place for everyone else. That is why I am not a fan of them.....

I can understand that sentiment and would agree with you. If the rules necessitated bringing in contractors that do not follow the same rules, then perhaps someone should have asked if the rules we had were appropriate in the first place. If the rules were necessary, but we still could not accomplish the mission without mercenaries, then perhaps someone should reevaluate the mission.
 
So we’re way outside some fuckholes leaving dogs now, but it’s been my opinion for the start that if .gov is going to send in the military then they need to staff the military up and have the proper ROE so that the military is sufficiently trained, armed and fed well enough to crush the enemy and then get the fuck out and let the POS UN rebuild. We can talk about the vacuum for Russia and China. That’s a different argument.

I’ve heard all he arguments about contractors being cheaper, etc etc. and I get that there are going to be places for contact jobs working within the military but war fighting on it’s basic level should not be one of them IMO. If the .gov can afford to pay a contract company $160k for an 8 month contract they can afford three fucking privates and all the ammo they could ever shoot.

Had they taken the gloves off, and hunted the Taliban down wherever they were (Pakistan) , and our sufficient pressure on Pakistan to stop their shit and close the borders this shit may have ended 18 years ago. We lack the will as a country to fight to win, and until we get back to WW2 style tactics we will always be stuck in endless, expensive stale mates.
 
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Had they taken the gloves off, and hunted the Taliban down wherever they were (Pakistan) , and our sufficient pressure on Pakistan to stop their shit and close the borders this shit may have ended 18 years ago. We lack the will as a country to fight to win, and until we get back to WW2 style tactics we will always be stuck in endless, expensive stale mates.
They had started to take the gloves off shortly after the war got hot. They reallized that the Cold War era tactics weren’t effective towards the fight we had found. The army(can’t speak for other branches) started the most drastic changes on tactics and weapons procurement in decades. Training dollars and time/quality were on an uptick in a good way. We had more access to force multiplier schools that would never be allowed before or now sadly. Then someone decided some bullshit theory of hearts and minds would get us further. That monkeyshit is what fucked us in two countries at once.
 
They had started to take the gloves off shortly after the war got hot. They reallized that the Cold War era tactics weren’t effective towards the fight we had found. The army(can’t speak for other branches) started the most drastic changes on tactics and weapons procurement in decades. Training dollars and time/quality were on an uptick in a good way. We had more access to force multiplier schools that would never be allowed before or now sadly. Then someone decided some bullshit theory of hearts and minds would get us further. That monkeyshit is what fucked us in two countries at once.

It was down to the unit level too. I was out before GWOT but was a service rifle and long range CMP shooter and when 3rd Bde got back from Astan in 2003 they reached out to AMU, who reached out to us (they were covered up) to assist 3rd BDE in some longer range shooting and theory. A handful of service rifle shooters spent a week at a time working with soldiers in FTCKY at range 14 before they fucked it all up. Though progress was slower than I would have liked, we had motivated shooters engaging half sized movers to 400y with m68s and 62 gr ammo.

The total lack of confidence in their equipment was probably my biggest shock, and showing they you can put 8/10 into an 11” target fast walk/running at 400y I hope opened some eyes. Unfortunately, we didn’t have the means to train with the kind of elevation offsets they were experiencing, though I’m not sure I could have helped beyond theory there.

They brought us in twice to do this training, which I hope brought some value to them. It was no gunsight class, but it was a good example of civilian groups working with the military (CMP volunteers, some guys had their rooms covered) to help achieve a goal.

I don’t begrudge anyone who worked a contract. Quite the opposite, but I think we have entered a dangerous era where the .gov hides accountability behind these contracts, both war fighting and logistical.
 
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