US Military celebrates white supremacism

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Liberal POS NY Times has to disgrace us on OUR DAY.
That in of itself is a pretty bold line to cross.
Do they not teach anything about history or maybe caring for your fellow Americans.

 

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Commie POS spreadinv divisive propoganda bullshit . God Bless Ft Benning and and Bragg . NY Tiimes is a canchor on the commie sphincter. You cannot judge yeaterday by today's devenerate values . Mutha fuckers best hope all these bad checks written wit nancy ass pussy commie moufs don't get called in . Lotta Test driven A personality meat eater N
Nother Fuckerz. still punpin blood CONUS
 
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What bothers me the most is the amount of people that are two faced.
Well they probably really were all along but it's the added anonymity of the internet.
I think social media should be trashed,how in the hell can kid's of today call it a job?
Important word- "Influencer" it's actually a job, think on that.
In my book I call it talking shit.
I'd love to see some of these folks do some training.
I mean for real honest to God hard core grunt stuff.
 

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I have long thought that there could be a good masters thesis written on why so many bases are named after confederate generals.

Much likely had to do with funding back c. WW2 when there was a strong southern Democrat presence in Congress. They gave fort names to dead Confederates to ensure funding, land allocations, local support, etc. I would bet money that Ft. Sherman, Georgia would never have become Home of The Infantry... or ever get past the House budget committee.

But that is a guess. A good research effort would be worthy of a thesis or dissertation. And I bet it’s all there written in The Congressional Record.

I can guarantee one thing, though, it has nothing to do with White Supremacy. As usual, the NYT ass pirates are morons. Maybe their Pulitzer-pursuing-putz should have checked the Congressional Record before spewing off and looking like the moron he is!

sirhr
 

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What bothers me the most is the amount of people that are two faced.
Well they probably really were all along but it's the added anonymity of the internet.
I think social media should be trashed,how in the hell can kid's of today call it a job?
Important word- "Influencer" it's actually a job, think on that.
In my book I call it talking shit.
I'd love to see some of these folks do some training.
I mean for real honest to God hard core grunt stuff.
They wouldn't last 1 day.
 
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Just another chapter in the name of something offends me so it must be changed saga. I am so tired of every school, business, sports team, and now military base needing a name change. I have said over and over we should just tell these people to go fuck themselves and to stop being so easily offended. Absolutely a disgrace on a weekend we should be honoring our veterans.
 

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Stop paying attention to any tripe that the times writes and this problem will fix itself soon enough
 
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timing is everything...

The article, and specifically the title, purposefully conflates history with modern day intent. The Army seemingly, with writhing hands and evil grin, celebrating racism and slavery etc.

Whatever the funding shenanigans (Sir) that leveraged local goodwill, there is something viable to the question of should federal institutions commemorate the memories and legacies of vile individuals? How would we feel if the Germans had a Himmler School of Infantry or Mengele Veterans Hospital in the hometowns or regions of those individuals? Yes, I'm invoking Nazis, almost as tired a set of baddies as zombies, but against the pillage and immorality of slavery, the Nazi's are almost unique in how they can stand shoulder to shoulder (the Japs have a good CV as well mind you but then we're getting crowded).

Regardless, to accuse the Army of gleefully celebrating those individuals, because, of their racist and slavery past, on Memorial Day, is a particularly shitbag move.

The Democrats can't seem to decide, do they want to be moral, or just heard? Sometimes being right means choosing when and how you need to be heard as well. They remind me of those other shitbags who would protest at military funerals for some stupid Christian related belief over gays.

Timing is everything...
 
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The New York Times has been one of the biggest news outlets of blatant anti Semitic rhetoric. Seems for them it’s easier to make stories out of their own issues and push them on others than to report the truth. What a joke they are.
 

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I have long thought that there could be a good masters thesis written on why so many bases are named after confederate generals.

Much likely had to do with funding back c. WW2 when there was a strong southern Democrat presence in Congress. They gave fort names to dead Confederates to ensure funding, land allocations, local support, etc. I would bet money that Ft. Sherman, Georgia would never have become Home of The Infantry... or ever get past the House budget committee.

But that is a guess. A good research effort would be worthy of a thesis or dissertation. And I bet it’s all there written in The Congressional Record.

I can guarantee one thing, though, it has nothing to do with White Supremacy. As usual, the NYT ass pirates are morons. Maybe their Pulitzer-pursuing-putz should have checked the Congressional Record before spewing off and looking like the moron he is!

sirhr
And it could have been, that some of those Generals were great military strategists in their own right. Besides that, they were Americans.
 

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And it could have been, that some of those Generals were great military strategists in their own right. Besides that, they were Americans.
Some were, which is very true. Some weren’t, however. I’d have to look it up, but IIRC, Braxton Bragg was not especially a great general.

then again, when it opened, Ft. Bragg was little more than a crappy post in some of the crappiest land in North Carolina. When it opened, no one expected it would be as massive as it is today.

But I am sure you are right in that many were named after people for who showed
Military genius as well. And also IIRC, there are some named after revolutionary and Mexican War generals... whose sons were Confederate Officers with the same name. Is (the long gone) Fort Lee named after Robert E. Lee, or his father “Lighthorse” Harry Lee, one of Washington’s best generals.

Like I said, there is a thesis or a book in there. The etymology of Fort names.

BTW, if Benedict Arnold had not been driven to turn traitor, West Point would be Fort Arnold.

Sirhr

PS. The comparison with the Nazis is an interesting one... and If you do some research there are things named after germans who fought for the Nazis. No, not Himmler. But remember that in the 1950’snand ‘60’s when we needed Germany to stand in NATO against the Soviet’s, there was a big whitewash of a lot of the past to encourage Americans, not long out of a war, to allow Germany to re-create a powerful standing army. Speer became acceptable as the Nazi who apologized. Rommel became a good guy because he was Implicated in Valkyrie when he had NOTHING to do with it except not reporting his suspicions. And if you look around our own NASA, the place is littered with buildings and facilities with German names... people who rained V1 and V2 rockets on London and Antwerp. And put us on the moon. So a blanket statement that it would be like naming things after Nazis is a bridge too far and while relevant is a bit of an over-reach.

Further, in America We have stuff named after people who committed genocide against Native Americans. Were Adulterers and scoundrels. University of Vermont has a building named after a guy who helped start the Eugenics movement and was a leading beacon of thought for mass extermination. How many robber barons bought their way into having universities after them? How many urban streets have been named after Puerto Rican Nationalists who were serial Bombers?

It’s called history and the act of erasing it for political correctness is precisely what George Orwell warned us about. One should learn from history, not bury it, or like the NYT useful idiot, twist it to score publicity points for the failed NYT on Memorial Day. It’s obvious that this hit piece was nothing more than a cry for attention from a failing old institution screaming to say relevant. Sort of like an aging and irrelevant Sean Penn screaming “look at me” during every crisis in order to feed his own ego.

Of course there is the other side... which is that it is right out of the Marxist and racist playbook to tear down all institutions and replace them with the state or the father figure... and the Army remains a beloved institution. The left is hell bent on destroying the Boy Scouts, the Police, most civic organizations, history and civics classes, sports (how is baseball season this year?) and half the time they point the finger at it and say “it’s NAZIs” when the reality is that the tactics of National Socialism and Communism are identical... except in nomenclature.

Sorry for spelling and grammar errors, I have not had coffee yet and hate typing on stupid phones.

PPS. I checked and Braxton Bragg has been considered by historians to be one of the worst generals of the Civil War but was a hero in the Seminole wars and the Mexican War. So his status may have had nothing to do with a inauspicious career in Tennessee during the Civil War, but for great valor earlier in his career. And, yes, he was a slave owner. As were many of the Southern officer class/ gentry. Came with the territory.
 
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Another interesting post script... I was watching an interesting travelogue documentary on North Korean the other day. Fascinating Communist petri dish that it is...

And it turns out that one of the major daily social activities is to visit a newspaper stand as there are Eight daily papers in Pyongyang... and you can pick your news source. That they are all party run goes without saying, so you get “Pravda” in 8 different packages.

But that was not the interesting part. The interesting part is that NK news stands are not kiosks with newspapers and magazines and candybars and smokes... they are plastic display windows... in which the newspaper is displayed for you to read. So you read it and maybe talk with the person next to you, knowing that person may be a informer... so being very careful what you say... and walk off to work or whatever.

Turns out it is illegal to possess a newspaper in North Korea. Because if you had back issues, you might be able to look back and see a policy changed or a price went up or a general who was executed with a AAA piece was a hero last week. no one is allowed any memories.

sound familiar? 1984 and the Memory Holes into which every scrap of paper had to be fed? Fahrenheit 451 in which Guy Montag the Fireman has the job of burning houses in which books were found?

There is a reason that these authors, many disillusioned Communists themselves, wrote these dystopian books. And why we studied them in middle and high school. To dispel us of the notion that communism or fascism were utopian or even viable systems.

Yet those books are now banned from the classroom and have been replaced with “Sally Has Two Mommies” and pseudo-science BS on climate hoaxes. Does anyone think that is by accident?

Orwell was a warning... the progressives and socialists and communists have turned it into a playbook.

Never let them have an inch.

Sirhr

PS. Since I am on a post script kick this morning... where are all the articles demanding that former KKK wizard Senator Robert Byrd, Liberal giant of the Senate, have his name removed from ‘everything.’ Oh, but he evolved... right? He was one of those ‘good’ Klansmen who really only joined because it would look good on his resume. And he really only did a few cross burnings and the folks he helped lynch deserved it. Where is the NYT on their liberal senate hero? I’ll wait patiently for their response on MLK day.
 
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Why is the "Black Plague" the "Black" plague - racist.

Why is the Northern hemisphere always at top on the globe? - Northocentric.

Why when Northam and Trudeau dress in blackface is that Blackocentric and not racist?

But.....wil Northam and Trudeau vote for Biden?
 
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In the age of the average social media moron those who cast the first story
are considered to be truth.
This is proven by the like constantly quoting of some magical 3rd party fact checkers
that they have't a clue who they are.
NYT toeing the party line, I thought this was a given.
A poorly veiled attempt to scream "racism".

R
 

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Bring back the draft.

Places like Benning were the summer camp, common ground experience, that unified our fathers generation. Their year of service was a right of passage and put the nation at the ready if need be.

It also engaged everyone in the war debate. Moms and Dads of all stripes cared when the pols talked of war as their families may be involved. Now it's just the "Volunteer Military" people that are concerned and their numbers are so few who cares what they think?

Benning means much to so many fewer.

Back in the 50s and 60s it meant so much they made sitcoms around it and no matter who the other person you met was there was likely to be a common ground about some military experience.
 

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At least outrage can sometimes be funny...

Notice how the NYT never does hit pieces on Mao or Stalin or Pol Pot or Lenin or “Iron” Felix, or dozens of other genocidal communists on May Day?

Or maybe I just missed the articles while I was busy not reading their biased rag. That must be it.

Sirhr
 
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The NYT/left shouldn't take electricity for granted. We shouldn't take elections for granted. Neither is guaranteed. Seem off base? Random?
Been practicing.
 

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@Sir. I don't think looking into the names of Forts has the same effect of erasing history any more than having a Fort named after someone serves effectively the purpose of keeping history alive. If history is not taught and analyzed and referenced correctly when the present circumstances could benefit from some perspective, then calling buildings whatever you want is benign.

I have nothing to do with the left's agenda but my perspective comes from the following. I once had the honor of being at a speech given by Condoleeza Rice. A truly remarkable woman. I remember less her actual speech than some of her answers when she made herself open to questions afterwards. One of the questions was, "What do you see as being the greatest threat to the United States?". Her response was that she wasn't worried about CHina or Russia or some foreign entity, her concern was the loss of Americanism. She stated there is no race of United States or central religion of United States, but that there is an American ethos, an American identity and ideal and the dilution of those will be the undoing of this country. People, Americans, need to celebrate their unity, need to converge and conform to the American ethos of liberty, of freedom, of the ability of all our citizens to find and forge their futures only in places that have this same ethos.

I will never forget that answer. It crystallized for me what being an American is.

I look to the history of the Confederacy and specifically of the involvement of those who supported and wished to defend the use of slavery as men who would have assured the demise of this country had they won and I'm glad they lost. I see a person who wanted to propagate slavery as antithesis to the American ideal, a threat in fact and that persons purpose in American history is important as cautionary, about how badly things can get from within. I view him in the same way I view people like Kris Kobach who wanted to create a muslim registory or propose camps for muslims. These are people and actions that I reference when I defend the need for the 2ndA because there are people who would commit atrocities and stamp on liberties that define the United States that I love and believe in. Not acknowledging the immorality of the slavers, not putting them in the proper perspective of the evolution of the American identity and not actively divorcing them from what America is - today - is to do injustice to those who fought for this country under the principles of liberty, justice and freedom, IMHO.

In regards to Nazi's, I'm sure I don't need to say it to you, not all who fought for the fatherland were Nazis and the V1s where countered with Bomber Harris. War is war, and it gets about as nasty as we're able to at the time. I'm glad the Nazi's lost, I don't celebrate the loss of civilian lives in say Dresden or the rape of Berlin when the city fell, but I don't ignore or make myself ignorant to what happended and was done by either side.
 
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@Sir. I don't think looking into the names of Forts has the same effect of erasing history any more than having a Fort named after someone serves effectively the purpose of keeping history alive. If history is not taught and analyzed and referenced correctly when the present circumstances could benefit from some perspective, then calling buildings whatever you want is benign.

I have nothing to do with the left's agenda but my perspective comes from the following. I once had the honor of being at a speech given by Condoleeza Rice. A truly remarkable woman. I remember less her actual speech than some of her answers when she made herself open to questions afterwards. One of the questions was, "What do you see as being the greatest threat to the United States?". Her response was that she wasn't worried about CHina or Russia or some foreign entity, her concern was the loss of Americanism. She stated there is no race of United States or central religion of United States, but that there is an American ethos, an American identity and ideal and the dilution of those will be the undoing of this country. People, Americans, need to celebrate their unity, need to converge and conform to the American ethos of liberty, of freedom, of the ability of all our citizens to find and forge their futures only in places that have this same ethos.

I will never forget that answer. It crystallized for me what being an American is.

I look to the history of the Confederacy and specifically of the involvement of those who supported and wished to defend the use of slavery as men who would have assured the demise of this country had they won and I'm glad they lost. I see a person who wanted to propagate slavery as antithesis to the American ideal, a threat in fact and that persons purpose in American history is important as cautionary, about how badly things can get from within. I view him in the same way I view people like Kris Kobach who wanted to create a muslim registory or propose camps for muslims. These are people and actions that I reference when I defend the need for the 2ndA because there are people who would commit atrocities and stamp on liberties that define the United States that I love and believe in. Not acknowledging the immorality of the slavers, not putting them in the proper perspective of the evolution of the American identity and not actively divorcing them from what America is - today - is to do injustice to those who fought for this country under the principles of liberty, justice and freedom, IMHO.

In regards to Nazi's, I'm sure I don't need to say it to you, not all who fought for the fatherland were Nazis and the V1s where countered with Bomber Harris. War is war, and it gets about as nasty as we're able to at the time. I'm glad the Nazi's lost, I don't celebrate the loss of civilian lives in say Dresden or the rape of Berlin when the city fell, but I don't ignore or make myself ignorant to what happended and was done by either side.
Those "slavers" you want to divorce from America wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
 

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"I never mean (unless some particular circumstance should compel me to it) to possess another slave by purchase: it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted by the legislature by which slavery in the Country may be abolished by slow, sure, & imperceptible degrees."
-GEORGE WASHINGTON, 1786
 

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Anyone who believe there weren’t and are still great warriors in every color that has or is currently defending American is an ignorant piece of shit!!! Fuck the race baiting fuckers!! Who believes that shit!
 

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The powers that be want U.S. divided. By race, religion, gender(2), what ever. Divided we are easier to conquer.
 

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@Sir. I don't think looking into the names of Forts has the same effect of erasing history any more than having a Fort named after someone serves effectively the purpose of keeping history alive. If history is not taught and analyzed and referenced correctly when the present circumstances could benefit from some perspective, then calling buildings whatever you want is benign.

I have nothing to do with the left's agenda but my perspective comes from the following. I once had the honor of being at a speech given by Condoleeza Rice. A truly remarkable woman. I remember less her actual speech than some of her answers when she made herself open to questions afterwards. One of the questions was, "What do you see as being the greatest threat to the United States?". Her response was that she wasn't worried about CHina or Russia or some foreign entity, her concern was the loss of Americanism. She stated there is no race of United States or central religion of United States, but that there is an American ethos, an American identity and ideal and the dilution of those will be the undoing of this country. People, Americans, need to celebrate their unity, need to converge and conform to the American ethos of liberty, of freedom, of the ability of all our citizens to find and forge their futures only in places that have this same ethos.

I will never forget that answer. It crystallized for me what being an American is.

I look to the history of the Confederacy and specifically of the involvement of those who supported and wished to defend the use of slavery as men who would have assured the demise of this country had they won and I'm glad they lost. I see a person who wanted to propagate slavery as antithesis to the American ideal, a threat in fact and that persons purpose in American history is important as cautionary, about how badly things can get from within. I view him in the same way I view people like Kris Kobach who wanted to create a muslim registory or propose camps for muslims. These are people and actions that I reference when I defend the need for the 2ndA because there are people who would commit atrocities and stamp on liberties that define the United States that I love and believe in. Not acknowledging the immorality of the slavers, not putting them in the proper perspective of the evolution of the American identity and not actively divorcing them from what America is - today - is to do injustice to those who fought for this country under the principles of liberty, justice and freedom, IMHO.

In regards to Nazi's, I'm sure I don't need to say it to you, not all who fought for the fatherland were Nazis and the V1s where countered with Bomber Harris. War is war, and it gets about as nasty as we're able to at the time. I'm glad the Nazi's lost, I don't celebrate the loss of civilian lives in say Dresden or the rape of Berlin when the city fell, but I don't ignore or make myself ignorant to what happended and was done by either side.
Condi Rice was my graduation speaker when I got my military history Masters... she was both a remarkable speaker and a remarkable American!

We are, of course, in violent agreement on all the above!

Cheers,

Sirhr