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Rifle Scopes Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

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    <span style="font-weight: bold">Vortex Razor 5-20X50 HD Interactive Video Review </span>

    Well this is the review you have all been waiting for, my take on the Vortex Razor 5-20X50 HD. As this is an interactive video, you can mouse over elements within the video and click on the interactive elements to link you back to the products you see inside the video. Later I will have a second video to further show the capabilities of this scope.

    To start, I want to thank Chris at SWFA for offering up the scope for my review and then giving me Carte Blanche so that I might push the envelope as you'll soon see. So, think of that when you consider this scope, SWFA didn't have to offer this up, but did so immediately upon hearing they would have one.

    The Pros:

    The Vortex Razor is a Front Focal Plane, Mil Adjusted scope with a Mil based (EBR) reticle. Vortex did very well to collect the feedback from places like this site to produce a well thought out scope that addresses the most sought after features. Not only did they produce a well made Mil / Mil Front Focal Plane scope, they added a Zero Stop as well as the including the elevation and windage references so, regardless of the turn you are on, you know exactly where you are.

    Some other smart features include the additions of the "mag view" with its small "Tru Glo" rod that illuminates the magnification ring so you can see what power you are on. They also added a second "Tru Glo" rod on the elevation turret to reference the "0" mark. Small, but smart little features like the turret references that make a difference.

    They, like SWFA went with the HD glass and to me this is a good choice. In my opinion it makes a difference, the downrange resolution is excellent and I credit it to the HD glass. I think if other companies are reading this, they could learn something by this additions. Granted, most glass comparisons are subjective at best, and I'd be willing to wager you would need a machine to actually tell the difference, but there is a WOW factor when they use a better quality, even if its only a coating, well, that is what its about. As we progress I think it is smart to take advantage of modern materials, and techniques.

    The reticle, we like the reticle. They are calling it their EBR reticle. Its a well done reticle, the subtensions are the right thickness and the hold overs included that branch out in that standard pyramid pattern don't obstruct your field of view, but still give you that reference necessary to hold over and hold off on a target and engage with that second shot follow up. The reticle has an 11 position illumination located on the eye piece. It has an off setting in-between every power setting and works to illuminate the center crosshair of the reticle. Everything but the hold overs, which is more than fine. Most work done at night is inside 400m so why bother making it busier than necessary.

    The tracking on this scope is spot on. We tested it not only on paper but all the way out to 1000 yards and it has worked dead on during each and every test. Even after putting it through its paces, using and abusing it, the scope returns to zero, and tracks perfectly each and every time. The day after drowning it, blowing it up and dropping from 5 meters, I continued to use the scope and rifle out to 1000 yards and every single adjustment was the same as the day before. There no need to fine tune any adjustment as it was dead on. That bit of confidence in your optic is vital you have to have that peace of mind that it will do its job when you need to do yours.

    Now for something I want to give Vortex a lot of credit on, the two manuals included in the box. Sure they added a Sunshade, Bubble Level and ARD, but the manuals are excellent. The included one detailed manual on the operation of the scope, very well done and another manual on operating the reticle and the Mil Adjustments. This little additions goes really far in my book. The information is correct and put forth in an easy to understand manner.

    Cons:

    Here are my list of complains with the Vortex Razor and these are easily debated as being pro or con, but I am going to put them out there regardless because its how I see it. It's not to say they are all necessarily a negative just my take on the features.

    1. 35mm main tube, this could either way, but because it limits your choices in rings I am going to list it as a CON. They definitely took notes and corrected surmised you needed more than a 30mm tube, but going to 35mm was a bit much. I doubt they gain much over 34mm and since that has a couple of options out there already they should have stuck with it.

    2. Zero Stop adjustments, the fact that when you loosen the locks and then have to dial the reticle to the impact without the aid of any clicks I am going to say this will be looked at as another negative. Not a tragedy by any stretch of the imagination, but I would rather have read the reticle, dialed the scope and moved on, than have to bag the rifle and move the adjustment without the clicks. The Zero stop is great, the turrets have a nice feel to them, everything is very positive but I don't like the lack of clicks. You can be your own judge, the process is definitely easy, but different enough to annoy me.

    3. Reticle illumination, the illumination on the reticle has some artifacts visible when the illumination is turned up. Its' probably some reflection off the hold overs, but it looks like dim spots glowing in the lower quadrants of the scope. If you don't crank up the illumination to 11 they are very hard to see, but they appeared in my scope so I am reporting on it.

    4. The Eye Relief and Sight Picture, it's the scopes' biggest weak point in my book. It's very, very unforgiving, especially at 20X. If you drop the scope down to 10X its not so bad, but as you creep closer to 20X you better be spot on behind the rifle. For a target shooter, this is okay, but for a tactical shooter, you have to plan on being thrown into an unconventional position where having that edge to edge clarity is all that you have to save you. This just doesn't afford you the room necessary. Again, the list of positives is very high, but this is one of my pet peeves with a scope. I need that good sight picture regardless of the situation.

    Conclusions,

    I think Vortex did an outstanding job on this scope. It's accurate, tracking and adjustments are dead on, its durable to say the least, we couldn't kill it and we tried. It includes an excellent set of features, and we definitely like the design of the reticle. The negative aspects of this scope are by far out weighed by its positives features and build and I think Vortex has a lot to be proud of with this optic. Its well worth the price tag with all of the most sought after features a tactical shooter could ask for. For those looking to purchase one I think it would be money well spent, can it compete with the big boys, I think it can.



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    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Ya screw the scope. Where and how much and how the hell does that have a torque wrench in it? The scope is nice to.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SINGLE.SHOT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle bolt/wrench is badasssssssss very thoughtful. </div></div>

    The simple ideas are the best ones. Takes two objects and combine them. Just one less tool to carry. Awesome
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    The rifle definitely rocks, it's the foundation for the next Sniper's Hide build which I will be announcing next week, i just ran out of time this week.

    I have a ton more footage with the Razor, and will put another video together, we shot the two alot, but I can only put so much into the videos. Speaking of which, anyone watch past the final splash screen to the out-take ?
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SINGLE.SHOT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle bolt/wrench is badasssssssss very thoughtful.

    oh yea nice scope as well
    </div></div>

    Did I hear it click when he torqued it down? Like a torque wrench?
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle definitely rocks, it's the foundation for the next Sniper's Hide build which I will be announcing next week, i just ran out of time this week.

    I have a ton more footage with the Razor, and will put another video together, we shot the two alot, but I can only put so much into the videos. Speaking of which, anyone watch past the final splash screen to the out-take ? </div></div>

    Did Jacob get a cramp?
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joeyhotfizzle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LL, Is it really that unforgiving at 20X power? I'm thinking twice about my pre-order now...</div></div>

    It depends, its a pet peeve of mine, so I maybe a bit harsh about it, it might not be much worse than any other scope with a similar ratio... ask Hunter what he thinks of it.

    the other video shows it better, I filmed it, but since doing a video here is an all day affair, i won't be able to have it until next week, not to mention the connection here will shut down.

     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Apex VR-1 is certified Bomb Proof by me, as well the bottom metal is Precision Shooting Sports' own that accepts AW magazines.

    I liked the rifle a ton, so we are moving forward with the build. </div></div>

    I'm assuming the actions won't be available by themselves until after the build?
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    LL,

    How did you get David Lee Roth to star in your gun video's?
    laugh.gif


    -Pat
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Apex VR-1 is certified Bomb Proof by me, as well the bottom metal is Precision Shooting Sports' own that accepts AW magazines. </div></div>

    THIS, I cant wait for. Looked friggin great.

    Did yall do any box tests with the scope before or after the drop from the tower? Howd she track through them? Pics?
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    I went and shot it from 300 to 1000 yards, using the previous recorded data and it was dead on... everything matched up perfect to include hitting sub moa targets at 800, 900, and 1000 yards.

    The box test is kinda boring, besides I am doing right triangle tests as opposed to box tests.

    But the scope repeated out from 300 to 1000, so I think she survived pretty well. I shot another 40 rounds today and it hammered, plus we shot about 40 rounds after all that yesterday and it hit exactly where we wanted it too.

    Before I remove it to ship it back I will put it on paper again, but I'm satisfied it worked.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Nice.

    You heard any inklings of a possible MOA or IPHY model? Do we know if theyre made in WI?

    Im a big fan of seeing this on their website:

    Our warranty is about you, not us. It's about taking care of you after the sale. We will repair or replace your Vortex product for any reason at NO CHARGE TO YOU. It doesn't matter how it happened, whose fault it was, or where you purchased it.

    Unlimited, unconditional lifetime warranty
    Fully transferable
    No warranty card to fill out.
    No receipt needed to hang on to.
    If you ever have a problem, no matter the cost, we promise to take care of you.

    Says a lot to me.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Vortex Razor 5-20X50 HD Interactive Video Review </span>


    4. The Eye Relief and Sight Picture, it's the scopes' biggest weak point in my book. It's very, very unforgiving, especially at 20X. If you drop the scope down to 10X its not so bad, but as you creep closer to 20X you better be spot on behind the rifle.
    </div></div>

    You just ruined my day. That was the number one thing I was hoping to improve upon as compared to the Heritage.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #3333FF">Our warranty is about you, not us. It's about taking care of you after the sale. We will repair or replace your Vortex product for any reason at NO CHARGE TO YOU. It doesn't matter how it happened, whose fault it was, or where you purchased it.

    Unlimited, unconditional lifetime warranty
    Fully transferable
    No warranty card to fill out.
    No receipt needed to hang on to.
    If you ever have a problem, no matter the cost, we promise to take care of you.</span>

    Says a lot to me. </div></div>
    Yup, it does.
    And this post also says to me: Be careful to whom you borrow your scope to
    grin.gif
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lowlight, u mentioned a bubble level. where is it?</div></div>

    it's in another part of the video, I didn't mount it as I have no use for one personally.

    The scope includes a Sunshade, Bubble Level, and ARD... I just didn't see the need to mess them up, in Part II, I will show them.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just didn't see the need to mess them up, in Part II, I will show them. </div></div>


    awww how thoughtful of you
    smile.gif
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice.

    You heard any inklings of a possible MOA or IPHY model? Do we know if theyre made in WI?

    Im a big fan of seeing this on their website:

    Our warranty is about you, not us. It's about taking care of you after the sale. We will repair or replace your Vortex product for any reason at NO CHARGE TO YOU. It doesn't matter how it happened, whose fault it was, or where you purchased it.

    Unlimited, unconditional lifetime warranty
    Fully transferable
    No warranty card to fill out.
    No receipt needed to hang on to.
    If you ever have a problem, no matter the cost, we promise to take care of you.

    Says a lot to me. </div></div>

    They EBR1 is moa/moa.
    http://swfa.com/Vortex-Razor-HD-Rifle-Scopes-C2769.aspx

    We wanted to really put their warranty to the test and as you can see Frank tried his hardest to send this thing back in pieces. I have no doubt that Vortex would have held true to their word had we "Franked-Up" the Razor.

    We have sold out but have more due in very soon. We are accepting back orders and will ship in the order they are recieved. Don't forget that we also accept trades and have a 110% Low Price Guarantee.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dsparil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LL, think a 3-18x IOR could take that kind of abuse? the new FFP model?</div></div>

    That has not been my experience with them.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Throwing a scope off the shoot house roof: Check..
    Drowning the scope and rifle: Check
    Blowing up new rifle and scope: Gives a whole new meaning to torture testing...

    WOW....

    Bob
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Is it just me or has this market niche (high quality glass, high durability, 5-ish to 20-ish mag, FFP scope, mil/mil) gotten very crowded recently?

    I see very very little difference between S&B, Hendsoldt, PH, Nightforce, and the Razor. Most of the decision factor between these scopes is vanilla vs. chocolate.

    On the other hand... try to find a mil/mil SFP scope in the $1,000 price range. It is pretty much Nightforce and Leupold (though Leupy has the .05 mil clicks). I am wondering why Vortex didn't try to come up with a really affordable SFP mil/mil option ($600 - $700ish) and decided to go for the over-crowded segment.

    This high-end SFP market is bound to shake out. Someone is not going to make it. I think that is good for the most established player (S&B). Tough for me to say as I bought a PH.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Carter,

    On the other hand, you have:

    SWFA SS 3-9x42 FFP Mil/Mil @ $599.
    IOR 2.5x10x42 FFP Mil/Mil ILLUM @ $899.
    2 FFP (4.4-14x44: 5-25x50) Mil/Mil Falcon's under $500.
    2 SFP (4-18x56: 4-18x56 Ill) Mil/Mil Falcon's under $400.

    That's 6 variables. Plus there is a number of mil/mil fixed powers around for under a Grand. But your right, how hard would it be to put 0.1 mil clicks in any scope for a maker. I guess they are not listening.

    Bob
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Jacob must have a tourque wrench in his wrist, because there sure is not one in the bolt handle.

    Thanks so much for all of the kind words on the rifle. And thanks to Frank and Jacob for doing what they do.

    I will be putting together all of the technical information on the rifle, and it will all get posted together when Frank makes the announcement.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Carter,

    On the other hand, you have:

    SWFA SS 3-9x42 FFP Mil/Mil @ $599.
    IOR 2.5x10x42 FFP Mil/Mil ILLUM @ $899.
    2 FFP (4.4-14x44: 5-25x50) Mil/Mil Falcon's under $500.
    2 SFP (4-18x56: 4-18x56 Ill) Mil/Mil Falcon's under $400.

    That's 6 variables. Plus there is a number of mil/mil fixed powers around for under a Grand. But your right, how hard would it be to put 0.1 mil clicks in any scope for a maker. I guess they are not listening.

    Bob </div></div>

    Super Sniper doesn't have an SFP. Falcon's quality is a little variable (from what I have heard). IOR's reputation is not stellar. Sightron and Vortex both make MOA scopes. I think they even offer Mil-dots with MOA. But no Mil/Mil option. I was wanting a target type scope for my trainer and ended up spending about twice what I wanted to on a Nightforce just to get a Mil/Mil SFP scope.

    I have a 17HMR that does not have a scope right now because I didn't want to buy a $1,000 scope for a $300 gun. I am thinking about a Super Sniper, but with its range, I see a need for a variable scope and I would like more magnification than the 9X that the FFP offers.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    From a discussion on AR-15 that I had with Vortex Sam, (and this is me reading between the lines by the way) your areas of concern are recognized by the company and they are making efforts to fill the voids that you bring mention to. Perhaps I am a bit of a homer becuase Vortex is a WI based company, but it really seams that they are running an optics company the way I would like to think that I would try and run it- Build up market share by filling voids rather than trying to go tit for tat with an already established product. It just so happens that their first entry was at the premium end of the spectrum. Within the next year, I would expect to see more tactical offerings from vortex that will compete in the other various price points, which, at the end of the day, is very good for us the consumer.

    One thought on the Razor- As long as the eye relief is forgiving at the lower end of the magnification spectrum, the comparitive lack of forgiveness at 20X would not be a deal breaker for me. The only time my optics see max magnification is when I am in the prone anyway.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Just an observation,

    I think people take elements of what I say too literal, and out of context because honestly, I think it is a good scope. I said so, and definitely think Vortex did an excellent job on it.

    I try to qualify my judgments as best I can, but still, some people read my negatives as being the word from above, which they are not. I said it's a pet peeve of mine, and because of this I tend to put a lot of emphasis on it, but none of my "cons" are really a 100% in the negative column, they can go either way, and its just my personal opinion. You can take 100 people and blind test them and maybe 10 will mention it, but I will address what I see, however it's still just one man's opinion.

    Really, the positives that Vortex put into the scope outweigh any negatives, and if anyone is "changing' their mind over this, well I think they are wrong for doing so, and I wouldn't have changed "my" mind based off MY review, because I see it as nothing but a lot of praise for Vortex and the Razor.

    If someone called me today and said shoot this competition and bring that rifle and scope, I would do it.
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LiteTac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jacob must have a tourque wrench in his wrist, because there sure is not one in the bolt handle.

    Thanks so much for all of the kind words on the rifle. And thanks to Frank and Jacob for doing what they do.

    I will be putting together all of the technical information on the rifle, and it will all get posted together when Frank makes the announcement. </div></div>

    George, did you design the action or are you assembling the rifles?
     
    Re: Video Review - Vortex Razor HD 5-20X Pt 1

    Thanks for the review Frank! I guess "bomb proof" is now another feature we can add to the long list of capabilities in this scope!
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    Everyone here at Vortex loved the review.

    Can't wait to see the second video!

    -Sam