Hello friends to the south!
First of all, I love this site. I come here all the time when I cant find something one our Canadian site, CGN. I posted a thread there describing all the trouble I've been having with what looks like the most attractive scope in production: the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x56 FFP MRAD. Someone suggested I post here and maybe get a lead on what I'm doing wrong or what's going on with my turrets.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=660622 Original thread is linked here.
It starts off with me saying how amazing Vortex Canada is on warrany issues:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I bought a Vortex PST scope off the EE, got here fine, went to the range to test it's fnction and sure enough the windage knob is totally f**ked (internal only, looks ok on the outside). In addition, the elevation doesnt track 0.1MRAD/click.
So I find the 1-866 number for Vortex Canada expecting a recording before talking to someone; however, who should answer the phone but a very friendly and knowledgable staff member!
I knew about the VIP warranty going into the conversation, but when I asked if she could send me a brand new scope so I could get back in the hunting game, she one-uped me and said as soon as she can confirm she's got one on the self (Monday hopefully), she'll keep it from being sent to a vendor (who's begging for them I'm sure) and ship it to me, as soon as I can provide her with a CP tracking number!
Absolutly unbelieveable! Here I am, a total stranger calling to ask to have a scope replaced, and they're sending me a brand new one once I send them any package with a tracking number!
I seriously hope these waranties can be found in other scope manufatures, otherwise I'll never get rid of my new scope (well, maybe for a Razor...)
Just an FYI</div></div>
They sent me a refurbished scope really fast; however, when I went to do a traking test, this one was even more messed up than the last. I sent it back as well and Vortex Canada sent it to the States for a detailed inspection:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got a call from Vortex USA. They say my scope is fine and (from what I understand) I was told that the turrests track in a circle, not a square; so that the amount of available windage adjustment decreases as you bring elevation adjustemnt to the maximum low/high.
Basically, the only time you can get full windage adjustment is when the reticle is centered, and due to my 20MOA base, the problems with my turrets are just design flaws.
I'm not sure if this is right, considering I had the reticle centered and the windage tracked very sloppy, but I'll take this new info and test out my scope when I get it back. If the turrets do track in a circle and they return the same crappy scope to me, I'll sell it no question. Move on to something that I know doesn't have s**tty turrets (Sightron SIII). </div></div>
I then recieved this letter too:
So I must have been wrong, right? Well I've still been having issues, and I've tripple checked. This think simply will not track a 19.0 MRAD box. It will track a 19.0 MRAD 'plus stign' (+) but it cannot reach the corners, basically, <span style="font-weight: bold">it tracks in a circle</span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I just came back from the range today with the scope after it had been sent down to the States. It came with a letter saying there was nothing wrong with the turrets or edge distortion and sent it back to me (express post, much appreciated). The only problem with the whole process other than the turrets (which isn't really a waranty thing) was the fact they didn't return my CRS zero stop shims. I'll have to call them and get some more.
Anyway, like I said, just came back from the range and confirmed my fears; the turrets track in a circle, not a square. Basically, the windage would not track the whole 10 mils in each direction unless the elevation was centered. When I cranked the elevation all the way up and turned the windage, there was little resistance and the reticle did not move. When I turned the elevation down after making the windage adjustment, the reticle moved in a diagonal, following the scope tube I imagine.
Even though I didn't waste my time or money sending rounds down range this time, I'm absolutley 100% sure the turrets do not work as they should and acording to Vortex USA's response, this is normal. Because this is the second PST 6-24x50 MRAD FFP I've had that didn't track properly, I'm convinced this is a design flaw.
I'd love to hear from others with the scope. I know this isn't a problem if you're not using the windage knob as much or making short range shots with the reticle centered, but for me, I'd rather have a scope that tracked properly than FFP which is why I'll be looking for another Sightron, or perhaps upgrading to the S&B ranks. </div></div>
(The edge distortion at extreme elevation adjustments is probably due to the very long sunshade I think.)
So far I cannot find anyone with similar experiences (someone mentioned something about hunting turrets may have been put on by accident). Has anyone here had difficulty tracking a 19.0 MRAD box with their PST? Any help would be appreciated! I'm still planning on mapping exactly what it'll track but I'm on training ti'll March so it'll have to wait.
Thanks,
Kevin
First of all, I love this site. I come here all the time when I cant find something one our Canadian site, CGN. I posted a thread there describing all the trouble I've been having with what looks like the most attractive scope in production: the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x56 FFP MRAD. Someone suggested I post here and maybe get a lead on what I'm doing wrong or what's going on with my turrets.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=660622 Original thread is linked here.
It starts off with me saying how amazing Vortex Canada is on warrany issues:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I bought a Vortex PST scope off the EE, got here fine, went to the range to test it's fnction and sure enough the windage knob is totally f**ked (internal only, looks ok on the outside). In addition, the elevation doesnt track 0.1MRAD/click.
So I find the 1-866 number for Vortex Canada expecting a recording before talking to someone; however, who should answer the phone but a very friendly and knowledgable staff member!
I knew about the VIP warranty going into the conversation, but when I asked if she could send me a brand new scope so I could get back in the hunting game, she one-uped me and said as soon as she can confirm she's got one on the self (Monday hopefully), she'll keep it from being sent to a vendor (who's begging for them I'm sure) and ship it to me, as soon as I can provide her with a CP tracking number!
Absolutly unbelieveable! Here I am, a total stranger calling to ask to have a scope replaced, and they're sending me a brand new one once I send them any package with a tracking number!
I seriously hope these waranties can be found in other scope manufatures, otherwise I'll never get rid of my new scope (well, maybe for a Razor...)
Just an FYI</div></div>
They sent me a refurbished scope really fast; however, when I went to do a traking test, this one was even more messed up than the last. I sent it back as well and Vortex Canada sent it to the States for a detailed inspection:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got a call from Vortex USA. They say my scope is fine and (from what I understand) I was told that the turrests track in a circle, not a square; so that the amount of available windage adjustment decreases as you bring elevation adjustemnt to the maximum low/high.
Basically, the only time you can get full windage adjustment is when the reticle is centered, and due to my 20MOA base, the problems with my turrets are just design flaws.
I'm not sure if this is right, considering I had the reticle centered and the windage tracked very sloppy, but I'll take this new info and test out my scope when I get it back. If the turrets do track in a circle and they return the same crappy scope to me, I'll sell it no question. Move on to something that I know doesn't have s**tty turrets (Sightron SIII). </div></div>
I then recieved this letter too:
So I must have been wrong, right? Well I've still been having issues, and I've tripple checked. This think simply will not track a 19.0 MRAD box. It will track a 19.0 MRAD 'plus stign' (+) but it cannot reach the corners, basically, <span style="font-weight: bold">it tracks in a circle</span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I just came back from the range today with the scope after it had been sent down to the States. It came with a letter saying there was nothing wrong with the turrets or edge distortion and sent it back to me (express post, much appreciated). The only problem with the whole process other than the turrets (which isn't really a waranty thing) was the fact they didn't return my CRS zero stop shims. I'll have to call them and get some more.
Anyway, like I said, just came back from the range and confirmed my fears; the turrets track in a circle, not a square. Basically, the windage would not track the whole 10 mils in each direction unless the elevation was centered. When I cranked the elevation all the way up and turned the windage, there was little resistance and the reticle did not move. When I turned the elevation down after making the windage adjustment, the reticle moved in a diagonal, following the scope tube I imagine.
Even though I didn't waste my time or money sending rounds down range this time, I'm absolutley 100% sure the turrets do not work as they should and acording to Vortex USA's response, this is normal. Because this is the second PST 6-24x50 MRAD FFP I've had that didn't track properly, I'm convinced this is a design flaw.
I'd love to hear from others with the scope. I know this isn't a problem if you're not using the windage knob as much or making short range shots with the reticle centered, but for me, I'd rather have a scope that tracked properly than FFP which is why I'll be looking for another Sightron, or perhaps upgrading to the S&B ranks. </div></div>
(The edge distortion at extreme elevation adjustments is probably due to the very long sunshade I think.)
So far I cannot find anyone with similar experiences (someone mentioned something about hunting turrets may have been put on by accident). Has anyone here had difficulty tracking a 19.0 MRAD box with their PST? Any help would be appreciated! I'm still planning on mapping exactly what it'll track but I'm on training ti'll March so it'll have to wait.
Thanks,
Kevin