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Rifle Scopes Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

jasonk

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Where to start? There have been plenty of reviews of the Vortex Razor 5-20x50 scope, but now that I'm a proud owner of one I thought that I'd add one more. I'll try not to rehash to much of the old stuff, just add some quick notes, thoughts and observations.

First, in case you don't have time to read the whole thing, I think the Razor is a very good scope that presents a great value with all the right features at the best price point in the scope market. I've taken the Razor out for at least 3 trips to the range. This isn't a review that's going to guarantee years of service (Vortex does that) or one that can tell you how well it tracks to 1,000 yards cause I only got the chance to shoot it to 300. What my review will tell you is that the Vortex was shot right next to a Premier 5-25, a S&B 4-16 and a Hensoldt 4-16 and that it faired pretty well. My only regret is that I don't have anyone local that I shoot with that has a Nightforce for me to put it side by side with, since I and many feel that it's going to be the closest competitor given the price range and features.

Here are some quick, one line reviews, of all the basic stuff. Others have covered it much more in depth and there's no reason to spend any more time on it just to repeat the same stuff.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Scope/Body</span> - It's stout, built well, no worries here.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Color</span> - It's actually nicer than I expected, looks at home on a black rifle or anything else.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Rings</span> - Mine are Vortex, well made, equal in construction to all the big boys.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Loc-Tite</span> - Mine had the fix before I got it, so I'm happy there.
<span style="font-weight: bold">35mm</span> - Sure, 34mm would be nice, but the Vortex rings are nice and it does allow for a ton of elevation.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Scope Caps</span> - Definitely could use some improvement, just order BC's - #19 for the eye and #43 for the front and move on.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Rubber Power Ring</span> - No worries here, feels like it's on there solid, provides a nice grip.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Power Indicators</span> - Like the numbers being angled on the rubber ring, easier to read when prone, well thought out.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Zero Stop</span> - Solid, works great, easy to set and use (little more on this later).


Now, the meat of the review for the big stuff that counts.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Glass</span>
As stated, this scope was shot next to all the big boys. I, like other reviewers, am not a glass expert. The glass on the Vortex is very nice though. I never once went from one of the others back to the Vortex and thought "Hmmm, back to lower grade glass". The Hensoldt was brighter, but it's design lends it to be brighter than anything out there. Now maybe, just maybe, if I setup some goofy eye charts and tried to read a magazine at 300 yards around dusk with the scopes then I could tell you that one was clearer than the others. However, I shoot targets, some big and some small, but targets all the same. In no way was the Vortex glass any less capable of seeing and shooting the targets than any of the other scopes mentioned. Without a doubt, Vortex HD glass is just fine for me.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Turrets</span>
The big one here is always that elevation turret. It looks BIG, it is BIG, but it's really not that big. It's easy to grab, with or without gloves, plus all the space gives room for clear markings and well spaced clicks. My Hensoldt and the Vortex are both mounted fairly low to the rifle, high enough for BC caps but not much more. I measure them both from the top of the base to the top of the turret and the Vortex was 3/8" higher, really not that much. Maybe if I was a high speed low drag type of guy it might matter, but for me it's a non issue. I have heard of one guy getting at the match in PHX getting his windage knob caught on gear and turned some without him knowing, so for some the big knobs might be an issue. The elevation has a zero stop, so that prevents turns at least one direction, the windage does not so maybe the chances go up some. A locking windage turret would be awesome, but not sure it's worth all the design and engineering changes that would take.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Reticle</span>
I'm a big fan of this one. I know some have said it's a little thicker than they'd like, but the open center really makes up for this. I'm used to shooting with the thicker reticles and 99% of my shooting is either tactical matches or getting ready for them. I don't need a fine reticle for punching tiny holes in paper, this is not a benchrest scope. Using a 1" black square with a 1/2" white square inside of it, you're still able to quarter the white part and shoot for groups. The windage holdoff dots below the crosshairs are a little fine, but I think they are useable for the rare occasion that I'll actually use them. If I'm shooting any distance at all I'll be dialing the dope and holding wind with main horizontal crosshair, not a little dot below.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Eyebox, Eye Relief, Etc</span>
The eyebox on this scope does take a little more getting used to. Thank goodness for adjustable cheekpieces on rifles, it makes it easy, but a stock pack and foam/tape would do the same thing. You need to make sure your head is in the right position or you will get some shadowing. Spending a few extra minutes to insure all this before tightening down the rings is worth it. I've seen Sam@Vortex discuss how the long eye relief plays some tricks on people and it's true, keep that in mind when setting up your scope. I was a little too close to the scope the first time I put it on a rifle. Sam also explained something about perceived tunneling not being tunneling because the FOV wasn't shrinking, just the edges of the scope coming into view, but maybe he'll chime in and explain more. If there was one major difference between my other scopes and the Vortex, I'd say it was the eyebox, it just wasn't as easy for me to jump behind the rifle and be 100% comfortable. Though it did get easier with time and I was comparing it to the Hensoldt, so the Vortex had it's work cut out for it there.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Zero Stop</span>
It works great, as advertised, etc etc. I did want to add one thing about it though, in Lowlights review of the Razor he mentioned that it was a negative for him that the clicks went away when adjusting the zero stop. I disagree, I like that the clicks go away, this lets you dial (smoothly) to exactly where you want to be. No .1 mil (1/3") clicks, but a fine adjustment of any amount to dial the scope to a perfect zero. For real "operators" I'm sure a .1 mil click is plenty accurate, but sometimes I'm anal and I've seen zero jump from one edge of the bullseye to the other with a full click, wishing I could dial a half of a click. Good news, with the Vortex you can!

<span style="font-weight: bold">Illumination</span>
I had read that someones scope had a brighter horizontal crosshiar than vertical. I'd have to say that mine is the same, but probably never would have noticed if it hadn't been brought to my attention to look. I rarely shoot at night and on my particular scope the difference isn't enough that it would hinder your shooting, but there is a difference so it's a relevant part of my review. I hear that Vortex might make a design change to fix future issues, but I wouldn't wait for the change to buy a scope (it's that minimal).

<span style="font-weight: bold">Tracking</span>
Possibly the most important feature and I sadly can't comment on it. Sure it tracks fine to 300, but big deal. After about 10 trips to the range I'll bring an extra large piece of paper and do it right. At that time I'll update this, but for now I haven't read a report of others having tracking issues so that's good. If I do have an issue then I have no doubt Vortex will make it right.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Customer Service</span>
Honestly, haven't had to use it, but the CS is what convinced me to try this scope. Seeing Sam@Vortex handling issues before he was asked to, apologizing without excuses and just stepping up when Vortex needed to made me want to give them a shot. Plus the fact that they have the PST coming to market, the scope that shooters have been begging for but no one has delivered, shows that Vortex is listening.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Summary </span>
I'm very happy with the scope, it's pros far outweigh its cons. It is a great value and right now the only scope that I know of that offers all of the features it does at the under $2k price point. Some will say the Nightforce is close, but I like more than 15x on the top end and think the MLR reticle is a little bit thin. I will own another Vortex or two, I'm trying to decide on another Razor or waiting for a PST to try. I'll soon have more rifles than glass and the thought has crossed my mind that for the price of one Hensoldt I could nearly buy two Vortex, that value is hard to ignore.

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Sorry for the marginal pics, just wanted to show some of the test subjects involved.

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Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

nice review, it is one of the scopes "in the hunt" for my next rifle. Really b/w this one and the NF NXS F1. Wish I had enough $$$ to get both!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have to turtle your neck any as you change magnification from 5 to 20?

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I didn't really notice that, but will shoot again this week and report back.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the Premier?</div></div>

It was sold before the range day where the pics were taken.
 
Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

The PR was mine as is the S&B in the pictures. Jason put a lot of time and effort into this review. Not to mention a lot of my 308 ammo. He spent time with each scope and adjusted them for his preferences. It was not just a quick look through. I agree with his evaluation; the Vortex is an excellent choice.
 
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Nice review Jason. Thanks for taking the time and reporting back what you found.
What do you think of the windage hold markings on the reticle?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good to know.

I have one coming soon, I hope! </div></div>

Why yes you do, should be shipping tomorrow.

Thanks for the order RC.
 
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Thanks for the info mac, I was just wondering if there was something about the PR he didnt like, and how it compared to the Razor.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sold the Premier to get a Razor? or was the PR not yours.</div></div>

As stated above, the Premier in this comparison was not mine, but I have owned two of the 5-25s and a 3-15 Premier, they all have been sold. I've also owned my share of S&Bs (at least 3 or 4) and a couple of Nightforces. Right now my glass choices have settled around Hensoldt and Vortex. The week is young....that could change
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info mac, I was just wondering if there was something about the PR he didnt like, and how it compared to the Razor.</div></div>

Honestly, I saw the turmoil around them (and don't read into this at all, I have no insider info or know anything that wasn't posted here), but I didn't want to be caught with 3 $2500 paperweights so I sold them. The glass was great, no complaints about the scope, if they are still providing great scopes and great service in a couple years then I'll own them again.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice review Jason! but I'm pretty "sucked off" you didn't do a bay window review too
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Steve

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great, I now have chewed up Whoppers candies on my desk. thanks steve.....
 
Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

Scott, I slipped a #43 on last night. It was a little tricky to get started, had to twist it to get the lip all the way around the objective, but it's not gonna move when it's all the way on. Mine out of the package was fairly flexible at room temperature, but it wouldn't stay shut out of the package or on the scope, so it's going back to the local shop.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DogboneS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott, I slipped a #43 on last night. It was a little tricky to get started, had to twist it to get the lip all the way around the objective, but it's not gonna move when it's all the way on. Mine out of the package was fairly flexible at room temperature, but it wouldn't stay shut out of the package or on the scope, so it's going back to the local shop. </div></div>

10-4, I replied to another thread that qualifies my statement.
 
Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

USMAj, the Premier has excellent glass and I like the reticle very much. The customer service was great in regard to fixing the clickers. The only down side is the physical size and weight and the lack of yardage marks on the parallax knob. In comparison to the Vortex, I actually like the knobs and clickers better on the Vortex but the 56mm bell on the PR gives it the edge in the optics. The little extra space between clicks gives the Vortex great feedback. Especially when your hands are cold or wearing gloves. Like Jason said, I too wish we had a Nightforce to compare it to. We both have had NF's but you just can't compare scopes from memory.

Oh and if you can't (or just don't want to) scrounge up $3200 to $3400 for the Hensoldt, do yourself a favor and don't look through one! It really is incredible how the scope tube disappears. The glass is crisp and bright and all in a compact scope tube.
 
Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

Jason,
Your thought were right on with mine. I also want to say that their customer service is great. I had an issue with the parallax not coming down below 100 after a while and it turned out to be the loctite issue from the first batch. I emailed them and Brian Widder had me a prepaid fedex in my email in 45 min. I sent it out and tracked it. He called the day he got it, checked the serial and saw it was the first batch with the loctite issue (it was specced to be there but the original manufacture they used failed to do their thing or something). Fedex'd me back a brand new one. 5 day turnaround from my first email. Those guys are super serious about taking care of their customers and truly believe in having a product you can stand by.

I also have a 6.5-20x44 Viper that is perfect for my wife's 223 and will be going back on as soon as I get my .260AI finished this month
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Also, I love the reticle. The only things I'd change really are making the drift/lead dots a smidge bigger, and use better len's caps like BC. The 43 fit snug but no prob getting it on for me.
 
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OK260AI, I concur - especially regarding the Customer Support and the drift/lead dots (which to me become visible at about 15x-17x)!
 
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This guy who owns a small tactical store in AZ today told me Vortex is crap and Burris is the only way to go. I walked out of his store. I have a vortex Razor spotter and I'm buying the Razor bin's tonight. I will get this scope someday but for now I will stick with my MK4 and Nightforces.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice Review. I didn't realize how big it was until it sits next to another scope. That is a good sized optic. </div></div>

I'd like to see it next to the 5-25 Premier as the two others in the pictures above are 4-16x. The 5-25 Premier is listed as 16.34" overall length the 3-15 Premier is 13.6 and the Vortex RZR is listed as 15.8".
 
Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

EBR-2 reticle at 20x zoom looking to 1000m

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Reticle lines are 0.06 mrad
Center hollow square is 0.1x0.1 mrad
Big wind dots are 0.04 mrad
Small wind dots are about 0.02 mrad
 
Re: Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 ~ One more review.....

Ares,

I tried your trick using 1 mil down, 1 mil left to use the aiming dot. We were shooting at 1500 yds. and it was a little hazy and very bright, so I was having a really hard time quartering the white plate, but using the dot, I could place it square on the 3" orange bull. Oddly enough, I could not make it out in the open center, but with the aiming dot I was able to put three shots inside 8".

John
 
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That is one of the reasons why I have my Zero Stop set 2 Mils low. The second reason is shooting on the side. Never did that, but I would like to test it
 
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I thought i would chime in on the rings if you buy them i have been told by Glen that he is now making the rings for vortex so you will be getting Seekins rings with Vortex on them this is Vortex taking their products very seriously in my mind to go to one of the best manufacturers of rings and getting them to have their scopes in the best that they can supply.
 
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Yap - just make sure they have the std Seekins hex heads and not the big nuts for securing.

The nutted ones are steel and of ?? quality. As I have been told.
 
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Remember, this is a FFP scope, so the reticle covers the same amount of target at every magnification.

It covers about 1/4" at 100 yds. at every magnification.

John