VX5 hd, NF SHV, or Razor LHT?

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Great thread. I have been all over the place between a vx5 or shv. Was set on a vx5, then almost bought the shv used, now im back leaning to vx5.
 

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Between a shv and a vx5hd I'd buy another vx5hd. I have two shvs and a vx5hd and the vx5hd glass is significantly better.
 
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What about all of the turret problems leupold has had with the vx5/6 scopes?

There are multiple conversations on the slide and 24hrcamp forums.?
 

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As far as tracking goes on my vx5hd I haven't checked to see. I don't shoot that rifle beyond 200 yards so I've never had the need to. Next range trip I'll do a tracking test and see though.
 

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Interested to hear more on tracking issues. If I recall correctly I thought the issues with the vx6 is that everyone just hated the turrets as they were "mushy".
 

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Big difference between the turret feel on the older VX6 and newer VX6HD. The two samples of VX-6 i had did not track all that well, good enough to sight in but not something I would feel comfortable to be reliably dialed. The VX6HD I have now is a totally different animal IMO. I havn't done a "scientific" tracking test but so far it seems to return to zero everytime and turret feel is much much better than the old non HD series. Also have a new 3-15LHT. So far I really like it, but havn't had a chance to run it thru its paces. I was a fan of the first gen 1" tube scopes, but the turrets sucked large donkey balls. The LHT mostly fixes that IMO and still keeps the scope light. The VX6 HD 3-18 I have probably has a little better glass, but not by a wide margin, at least to my eyes. Leupold glass seems to edge it out slightly in low light situations, but either would get me way past legal shooting hours. I think overall the VX6 HD is a better scope, but its also significantly more expensive. I prefer the reticle options on the vortex over the Leupold. VX5HD is probably a better comparison price wise. Glasswise I'm told they are similiar to the VX6 line, just a 5x erector.
 

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On reticle illumination:
Leupold uses a fiber dot, while Vortex HD LHT uses a conventional reflective etch and fill illumination. With conventional illumination, if you run it too bright for the conditions, it will bleed out. On every scope that uses it, not just Vortex. It is designed to run it as low as you can for the conditions. If you turn it up too bright, it will always look weird, but that is not how the scope is intended to be used. These are hunting scopes, not LPVOs. In the Razor Gen2 1-6x Vortex uses the fiber illumination since there they need it to be bright, while on hunting and generally higher magnification scopes where you never really need to go nuclear, etch and fill illumination is much more common. That allows them to make changes to how they illuminate reticle later if they are so inclined. With the fiber, it can only be that dot. With reflective illumination, if they ever want to illuminate more of the reticle pattern, they are already set up for it.

ILya
 

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Has anybody compared glass on the new LHT vs the old LH 1”? To my eyes the razor LH has brighter clearer glass than the VX5HD. Not to say the Vx5hd is bad, it’s very good. I think the razor glass was closer to Swaro glass. I hope the new vortex LHT is close to the older version. If it does I’ll replace my razor 2-10 on my fieldcraft.
 

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Has anybody compared glass on the new LHT vs the old LH 1”? To my eyes the razor LH has brighter clearer glass than the VX5HD. Not to say the Vx5hd is bad, it’s very good. I think the razor glass was closer to Swaro glass. I hope the new vortex LHT is close to the older version. If it does I’ll replace my razor 2-10 on my fieldcraft.
I haven't compared the two but I've owned both and I'd say the glass is identical. I thought the Razor LHT/LH and VX-5 had better glass than the Swaro Z5/Z3 series.
 

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Has anybody compared glass on the new LHT vs the old LH 1”? To my eyes the razor LH has brighter clearer glass than the VX5HD. Not to say the Vx5hd is bad, it’s very good. I think the razor glass was closer to Swaro glass. I hope the new vortex LHT is close to the older version. If it does I’ll replace my razor 2-10 on my fieldcraft.
The LHT 3-15x42 is almost identical to the original HD LH, except it is a little bit better toward the edges. Center performance is about the same.

ILya
 

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What about all of the turret problems leupold has had with the vx5/6 scopes?

There are multiple conversations on the slide and 24hrcamp forums.?
Mine came with a canted reticle and was 50% off in elevation tracking and wouldn’t zero at all. I sent it in they said they didn’t see anything wrong with it but the reticle was obviously fixed and I got rid of it.
 

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Just purchased the Vortex a couple of weeks ago. I really like the razor glass and the wieght. Had a vx- 5hd like two years ago. was good but sold it. im vortex bias, i guess, but I run an nx8 now, for hunting.
 

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I think im going with a nightforce shv 3-10.

I bought a nvision halo LR last year and although it had the best image, the plastic housing broke 3 times and it spent more than half of my coyote season in the fed ex truck.

To me, ill sacrifice the best glass for functionality, and ruggedness. Nightforce is no slouch, and while the vx5-6 and razors and swaros and lecias all may have a better picture, they are not as tough as a nightforce. If you have your sling break, or drop your rifle when your 15mi from the truck and loose confidence, well....

Id also hear the swfa 3x9x42 is a reliable scope, just cant find one to try.
 
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Definitely following. I have an LH 3-15 and am considering the lht. I really like the glass on the original LH
 

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I like the illumination on the LHT a lot. It’s not a RDS. For me it is the last few minutes of daylight in the woods. On its lowest setting it’s perfect. The windage turret feels like a Barska turret but other than that it’s great. CA isn’t great but if your parallax is set and you’re right in the middle of the scope it goes away.
 

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Thanks! That’s probably all the farther I would take it as well.
 

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I think im going with a nightforce shv 3-10.

I bought a nvision halo LR last year and although it had the best image, the plastic housing broke 3 times and it spent more than half of my coyote season in the fed ex truck.

To me, ill sacrifice the best glass for functionality, and ruggedness. Nightforce is no slouch, and while the vx5-6 and razors and swaros and lecias all may have a better picture, they are not as tough as a nightforce. If you have your sling break, or drop your rifle when your 15mi from the truck and loose confidence, well....

Id also hear the swfa 3x9x42 is a reliable scope, just cant find one to try.

The one thing that i did like with my new NF is the way it feels. very rugged!!! looks like it could take a drop or two ....
 

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I agree with the majority and go with Leupold. Nightforce makes bullet proof optics and if your dialing, that would be the clear choice winner. Shots under 300, the glass on the Leupold is amazing and if you get the right reticle, you can you just use the reticle
 

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What do we think of the to reticles on the Razor HD LHT?
Which would you chose?
 

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Went and handled some glass today.
Specifically the Razor HD LHT 3-15x40mm, NF SHV 4-14x56 and the MeaOpta Optika6 3-18x50.
My thoughts:

Glass -
Razor seemed the nicest glass to my eye, although it does have the smallest objective at 42mm (versus 56 for the SHV and 50 for the Optika6). Surely that 56mm sucker has to draw light better when it gets darker.. I'd prefer the 50mm Razor for that reason, but it only has the BDC reticle and only in MRAD (I prefer MOA). I tried looking in some darker corners of the store and up close couldn't really pick much difference. If anything the Razor looked brighter. I was quite surprised by how good the Optika 6 looked. It has the higher top end too in terms of magnification which would only really get used at the range I'm guessing but is still worth noting. It's glass seemed pretty close to the SHV if not clearer... Eye box seemed pretty forgiving on all three.

Rings and turrets -
Razor was the stiffest by far. Seemed overly stiff to me. Not sure how much it would loosen up with use, You sure aren't going to bump anything out of chosen setting... SHV and Optika 6 both adjusted nicely. Optika 6 turrets felt a little soft, but these scopes aren't really designed to see a lot of dialling I suppose. Razor has exposed, locking elevation turret, others are all covered. Razor has a zero stop feature, the SHV and Optika 6 do not (in SFP).

Reticle - I really like the HSR5 reticle in the Razor. SHV Moar reticle also looked good. Optika 6 had the BDC reticle which although not my preference is nice and simple. It would take some getting used to in terms of making use of it. I'd have to work up my Dope and have it on hand - especially as I'd ultimately like to be able to swap this scope between my model 70 featherweight 30-06 and what will probably be a Lithgow LA102 in .243 on its way soon.

Weight -
The Razor is clearly the lighter of the three at around 500g. Not much difference between the SHV or Optika6 at a little over 800g. They do feel unbreakable by comparison. The Razor 'feels' light. Will it handle the recoil on my featherweight 30-06 and the odd smack from branches and clunk on rocks as well? I'm not expecting to be doing much shooting off the shoulder (its running a bipod for a reason!), but will no doubt do some (most likely on pigs).

Price -
Here's where the Optika 6 stood up. Rounding down (and these are in Aussie dollars), it'll come in just over $1000, the SHV just over $1500 and the Razor LHT just over $1600. Note that MeaOpta's warranty is for 10 years, Vortex and Nightforce are for life...

So I'm left with a bit to think about
- The glass on all three would be more than sufficient in reality for my purpose (<500m hunting deer - mostly <300m down to close range for some pigs, but also varminting on the .243 also when it arrives)
- Am I confident of the build quality of the Razor - particularly given it's light weight. Will it be robust enough? Or dos it just feel light when comparing to heavyweight SHV and Optika6.
- For the same money as the Razor - I could get the Optika 6 and a range finder... and I should get a range finder.

For those that have already purchased a Razor HD LHT - how are they loosening up? How are they performing at night/dusk?
For those with an Optika 6 - do you actually find the BDC useful?