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Was the "Ukraine war Bullshit" thread getting to close

This has been a proxy war from the beginning with Russia by the U.S., NATO, and EU in some weird attempt to protect Uke. The who and why is the real question (besides the MIC making lots of money) . The U.S. should never have gotten involved period! That includes money and arms.
Direct war with Russia would be a disaster for both sides with no real winner and lots of other countries would be hurt by it too.
We need to tell the Euros and Z boy that we're done and out with the whole mess. They're on their own from here on out. This a mess that creepy sleepy Joe and his group got us into, Trump needs to pull the plug on our involvement now!
Nobody gives a fuck about Ukraine. It’s about MIC profits, arms testing like the late 30’s in Spain, and whole lot of $$$ laundering to US politicians of many stripes. The generic grift systemic to Eastern Europe would continue either way. Only retards cheer for “our side” like trained seals. Thing is, Russians live rough and they are fatalistic. This “war” is building them up for whatever comes next. Western society is in its death throes. An unfocused particularly messy and inconclusive nuclear exchange before 2030 is my guess. Lucifer has plans.
 

Bring on the spall, it's past time to kick this pig.

So it sounds like the NATO plan (that Poland is all in on) is to go attack Belarus to kick start a proper WWIII
Pretty much proving to the Russians that NATO can never be trusted to be on their borders.
It should be interesting as the leader of Belarus was kind of wanting to be the launch pad for nuclear missiles if NATO attacked them.
The Russians might just say go for it.
 
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There is a LOT of posts to Twitter/X about the French government getting a LOT of pushback on their bullshit. Serious crowds and organized protests wanting Macron and company out of there.

If that is true and the Macron crowd thinks it is a legit threat to their power, you can bet your ass that they will start some shit, any shit, to divert attention and retain the reins of government. They would happily burn down Europe to stay in power and stay relevant.

Looking through the lens of my comments above, their messages to ramp up national healthcare services would fit that puzzle nicely.

Besides the other 20,000 reasons I could come up with as to why a major war would be bad for the French people, their healthcare services would be another. Their socialist system of dolling out healthcare services is already VERY overstressed due to the flood of migrants. Healthcare, housing, education and food services are being bleed dry at a rate that is already not sustainable.

Que the "national emergency"!
 
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Healthcare, housing, education and food services are being bleed dry at a rate that is already not sustainable.
I'm confused, are you still talking about France alone or, are you including the US at this point, because the above fits both?

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Would this be a proper distraction from the above?
 
There is a LOT of posts to Twitter/X about the French government getting a LOT of pushback on their bullshit. Serious crowds and organized protests wanting Macron and company out of there.

If that is true and the Macron crowd thinks it is a legit threat to their power, you can bet your ass that they will start some shit, any shit, to divert attention and retain the reins of government. They would happily burn down Europe to stay in power and stay relevant.

Looking through the lens of my comments above, their messages to ramp up national healthcare services would fit that puzzle nicely.

Besides the other 20,000 reasons I could come up with as to why a major war would be bad for the French people, their healthcare services would be another. Their socialist system of doling out healthcare services is already VERY overstressed due to the flood of migrants. Healthcare, housing, education and food services are being bleed dry at a rate that is already not sustainable.

Que the "national emergency"!
right on cue:

French government collapses in a confidence vote, forcing Macron to seek yet another prime minister​


 
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I'm confused, are you still talking about France alone or, are you including the US at this point, because the above fits both?

Looking at St. Paul, Minneapolis, LA, Frisco and New York, local leaders along with Soros type money are taking notes and following suit.

Typically, as our big cities go, so goes the rest of the states and country.


If you are in fact confused, they are doing it right.
 
Good SITREP video. Long, but broken up into digestible pieces.

Venezuela fighter jets buzzing US naval ships is a no-go. Among other things detailed. Don’t mess with the boats, that’s super bad juju. I suspect that this has little to do with narcotics, but instead deals with Russia trying to place hypersonic missiles there. And oil and Guyana reserves. Venezuela is trying to be a member of BRICS but has been vetoed by Brazil due to various rubs between the two, but VZ owes Russia a shit tin of money, and there are Russian forces in the out the country so there’s that. Its not a far leap to understand that Russia is protecting its investment.

The whole Chinese medical ship is a derivative of the US hearts and minds initiative. They are using US strategy against us.

 
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The whole Chinese medical ship is a derivative of the US hearts and minds initiative. They are using US strategy against us.
when I was in Central America, there were free clinics with chinese doctors all over the place. but that's no different from soros setting up free internet "libraries" all over central asia since 1991.

no gifts are free. and all goodwill comes with chains attached.
 
more importantly, Russia is rolling up the ukes right now.


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when I was in Central America, there were free clinics with chinese doctors all over the place.

Were these Socialist - aligned countries?

They have the same gigs in Africa.

They stem from Socialist Solidarity programs dating back to the 1950s - “the poors helping fellow poors.”

You might call it their version of the NED or USAID, who unlike these organizations, actually did something worthwhile for the locals :ROFLMAO:
 
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There is a LOT of posts to Twitter/X about the French government getting a LOT of pushback on their bullshit. Serious crowds and organized protests wanting Macron and company out of there.

If that is true and the Macron crowd thinks it is a legit threat to their power, you can bet your ass that they will start some shit, any shit, to divert attention and retain the reins of government. They would happily burn down Europe to stay in power and stay relevant.

Looking through the lens of my comments above, their messages to ramp up national healthcare services would fit that puzzle nicely.

Besides the other 20,000 reasons I could come up with as to why a major war would be bad for the French people, their healthcare services would be another. Their socialist system of dolling out healthcare services is already VERY overstressed due to the flood of migrants. Healthcare, housing, education and food services are being bleed dry at a rate that is already not sustainable.

Que the "national emergency"!
He is not on thin ice, he is sinking. You have a good point, these fuckers will burn tthe world to the ground with them, so US needs to be VERY careful and watch the ukr situation like hawk
 
a rumor from Ukraine. got this by Macgregor on Napolitano. he says it was reported in line. makes no claim it is real. there is a depopulated part of southern Ukraine being patrolled by uniformed police-not Uke or Russ. the report claims that people who are not Jewish are denied entry to the area. not specifying exact area or anything else. anybody heard this? if so,where?
if an ongoing development,should have a very interesting affect on a bunch of stuff.
 

Honest question: I understand if a Russian drone entered Polish airspace. That’s legit and should be handled with authority. But what is the comment “about to enter Polish airspace “ mean? How far into Uke airspace are the Poles going? That has certain implications about Poland defending Ukraine. Drones can arrive at a high altitude and corkscrew and angle down to hit targets very close to a border without breaking a geofence and going into Polish airspace. I’m thinking about Article 5. If there are strategic targets that have been moved close to the Polish borders to prevent attack or to provoke an Article 5 incursion that says something about the condition of the conflict.
 
I'm confused, are you still talking about France alone or, are you including the US at this point, because the above fits both?

Edit to add,
Would this be a proper distraction from the above?
easy to laugh at and ignore. hard to 100% disprove. we really don't know as much as we think we do,esp about the deep past.
 
Honest question: I understand if a Russian drone entered Polish airspace. That’s legit and should be handled with authority. But what is the comment “about to enter Polish airspace “ mean? How far into Uke airspace are the Poles going? That has certain implications about Poland defending Ukraine. Drones can arrive at a high altitude and corkscrew and angle down to hit targets very close to a border without breaking a geofence and going into Polish airspace. I’m thinking about Article 5. If there are strategic targets that have been moved close to the Polish borders to prevent attack or to provoke an Article 5 incursion that says something about the condition of the conflict.
doubt the Poles are gonna do anything too annoying to the Russians. they sent troops and got a bunch killed. their pres has said never again. accidents happen but i doubt Putin would deliberately poke the Poles. he doesn't need to,would be no gain in it. moving targets right up to the border sounds rather Uke like.
 
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Honest question: I understand if a Russian drone entered Polish airspace. That’s legit and should be handled with authority. But what is the comment “about to enter Polish airspace “ mean? How far into Uke airspace are the Poles going? That has certain implications about Poland defending Ukraine. Drones can arrive at a high altitude and corkscrew and angle down to hit targets very close to a border without breaking a geofence and going into Polish airspace.
Exactly.

That wording is bullshit. The Russian Federation is not going to willy nilly let any manned or unmanned air assets get into another country's airspace. "About to enter" is a slippery slope. Where does that "about to" line exist?


I’m thinking about Article 5. If there are strategic targets that have been moved close to the Polish borders to prevent attack or to provoke an Article 5 incursion that says something about the condition of the conflict.
The EU has already been bitching about strikes inside Ukrainian territory but was close to another border.
Doesn't make a shit if it's 2 inches from another country's border as long as no incursions are made and no collateral damage happens inside another country.
 
If I had to venture a guess, NATO/EU/Poland were likely trying to push hardware across the border and the Russians targeted it. Just a guess.

My mind can't help but go back to the North Atlantic as WW2 was popping of, US ships mixed up in the convoys the German U boats were torpedoing.

Pre-U.S. Entry Into WWII
The first action between the U.S. and German navies occured on April 10, 1941, when USS Niblack (DD-424) neared the Icelandic coast to pick-up three boatloads of survivors from the Dutch freighter Saleier, which was sunk the previous day. When a submarine was detected preparing to attack, the division commander, Commander D.L. Ryan, ordered a depth charge attack, driving off the U-boat.
USS Greer (DD-145) was attacked on September 4, 1941, by German U-boat, U-652, while she was tracking the submarine southeast of Iceland. Though the destroyer was not damaged in the attack, Greer's depth charges damaged U-652. The attack led President Franklin D. Roosevelt to issue his "shoot-on-sight" order, directing the U.S. Navy to attack any ship threatening U.S. shipping or foreign shipping under escort. U-652 would later be scuttled by U-81 after being badly damaged by depth charges from a British "Swordfish" aircraft in the Mediterrean Sea on June 2, 1942.
The U.S. Navy oiler, USS Salinas (AO-19) was torpedoed off Newfoundland on September 30, 1941, by German U-boat, U-106. Without loss of life to Salinas' crew, the vessel returned to New York for repairs. In August 1943, U-106 was sunk off Spain by British and Australian Sutherland aircraft.
German U-boat, U-568, torpedoed and damaged USS Kearny (DD-432) on October 17, 1941, near Iceland, resulting in 11 killed and 22 injured. In May 1942, U-568 was sunk by depth charges dropped by Royal Navy destroyer HMS Hero and destroyer escorts HMS Eridge and HMS Hurworth.
On October 31, 1941, German U-boat, U-552, sank USS Reuben James (DD-245), which was escorting Convoy HX 156, with a loss of 115 lives. Reuben James was the first U.S. Navy ship lost to enemy action during World War II. During her service, U-552 sank 30 Allied vessels. She was scuttled by the Germans on May 5, 1945.
While on Neutrality Patrol near the Equator, USS Omaha (CL-4) and USS Somer (DD-381) intercepted the German blockade runner Odenwald on November 4, 1941, disguised as U.S. freighter and boarded her after the German crew abandoned the ship. They brought the ship to San Juan, Puerto Rico, where the boarding party was awarded salvage shares. Of note, this award was the last prize money awarded by the U.S. Navy.
Image: NH-86699-KN: "Sinking of the Reuben James," October 31, 1941. Artwork Griffiths Bailey Cole. Courtesy of the Navy Art Collection. NHHC Photograph Collection.

Roosevelt was pushing, just like we are today.
That wording is bullshit. The Russian Federation is not going to willy nilly let any manned or unmanned air assets get into another country's airspace. "About to enter" is a slippery slope. Where does that "about to" line exist?



The EU has already been bitching about strikes inside Ukrainian territory but was close to another border.
Doesn't make a shit if it's 2 inches from another country's border as long as no incursions are made and no collateral damage happens inside another country.
 
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If I had to venture a guess, NATO/EU/Poland were likely trying to push hardware across the border and the Russians targeted it. Just a guess.

My mind can't help but go back to the North Atlantic as WW2 was popping of, US ships mixed up in the convoys the German U boats were torpedoing.
Very plausible. Especially when you consider so many other bullshit moves that the EU and the West has made in the last few decades leading up to the February 2022 invasion and the 3 1/2 years since.

The EU is doing some blatantly overt shit and trying to dress it in silk slippers via their news narratives.

Them trying to throw a flag on incidents like this is akin to somebody insisting on setting up shop in a burning building and then wanting to bitch about it being hot.

Roosevelt was pushing, just like we are today.
Lots of parallels for sure.
To be clear, you must be referring to Eleanor.
She was the one making the decisions but also being steered by power people outside the elected govt.

FDR, the man was one of the poorest performing presidents ever but was canonized by the media and painted as a great leader framed by the enormity and world changing effects of fighting WWII.

Like so many have correctly pointed out before, the victors and people in power get to write the history books and rarely do they portray themselves in a less than stellar light.
 
Very plausible. Especially when you consider so many other bullshit moves that the EU and the West has made in the last few decades leading up to the February 2022 invasion and the 3 1/2 years since.

The EU is doing some blatantly overt shit and trying to dress it in silk slippers via their news narratives.

Them trying to throw a flag on incidents like this is akin to somebody insisting on setting up shop in a burning building and then wanting to bitch about it being hot.


Lots of parallels for sure.
To be clear, you must be referring to Eleanor.
She was the one making the decisions but also being steered by power people outside the elected govt.

FDR, the man was one of the poorest performing presidents ever but was canonized by the media and painted as a great leader framed by the enormity and world changing effects of fighting WWII.

Like so many have correctly pointed out before, the victors and people in power get to write the history books and rarely do they portray themselves in a less than stellar light.
I was speaking in generalities about his administration, but yes she was arguably one of the most influential 1st ladies we have ever had. Especially considering his medical issues.

If you look back on things done during his admin I'd think one could argue they did more to consolidate federal control of the country than damn near any admin before or since. Government take over of manufacturing, mining. Getting the gold out of public hands. While at the same time cementing the US as a Global power, getting foot holds in Asia, Africa, Middle East and Europe like never before. As a country we ended up in a position of strength. It's all about perspective I guess.

I do believe some where in there they do want to push this. Global domination the likes of which we have never seen. But the chaos that comes from such a move. The humanitarian in me is very concerned, while the other side of me says fuck it, let's dance.
 
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Fuck Poland, fuck Ukraine, and fuck every bastard politician who is shoving my tax money at them. My enemy are the people who have raised taxes to the point where the middle class has been destroyed and I have to work twice as hard for less purchasing power. Those are the motherfuckers who need Russia to drone them. I could give a fuck about whatever Russia does in Ukraine.