What scopes do the different groups of milatary use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics
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Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.
Re: What does the milatary use
The USMC uses a S&B 3-12x50mm on their M-40's since around 2005. Previous to that I think were all Unertl's or a combination of Unertl and other scopes back to the late 70's or early 80's. Other Hide members will be able to fill in those blanks.
For the newest M-110 platform the USMC uses PH 3-15x50mm.
The USMC uses a S&B 3-12x50mm on their M-40's since around 2005. Previous to that I think were all Unertl's or a combination of Unertl and other scopes back to the late 70's or early 80's. Other Hide members will be able to fill in those blanks.
For the newest M-110 platform the USMC uses PH 3-15x50mm.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.</div></div>
you can always count on Shankster for some quick wit...Yes, those Counter-Sniper scopes are the best.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.</div></div>
you can always count on Shankster for some quick wit...Yes, those Counter-Sniper scopes are the best.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.</div></div>
you can always count on Shankster for some quick wit...Yes, those Counter-Sniper scopes are the best. </div></div>
Get one here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606294
...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.</div></div>
you can always count on Shankster for some quick wit...Yes, those Counter-Sniper scopes are the best. </div></div>
Get one here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606294
Re: What does the milatary use
+1 on Dp425
I don't know how counter sniper can do it. All those goverment overuns hit the market at once the rest of the industry will be out of business....I'm shakin...
+1 on Dp425
I don't know how counter sniper can do it. All those goverment overuns hit the market at once the rest of the industry will be out of business....I'm shakin...
Re: What does the milatary use
Best glass and repeatability - Counter Sniper - Without a doubt.
Josh
Best glass and repeatability - Counter Sniper - Without a doubt.
Josh
Re: What does the milatary use
damn, mustve gotten bad intel, i thought they were all goin to NCStar scopes
damn, mustve gotten bad intel, i thought they were all goin to NCStar scopes
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">damn, mustve gotten bad intel, i thought they were all goin to NCStar scopes </div></div>
They came in second in the competition. Counter Sniper's reticle and lens coatings put it on top.
Josh
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">damn, mustve gotten bad intel, i thought they were all goin to NCStar scopes </div></div>
They came in second in the competition. Counter Sniper's reticle and lens coatings put it on top.
Josh
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does the milatary use </div></div> Google, that's what.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does the milatary use </div></div> Google, that's what.
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Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But all of those are being replaced by Counter Sniper- just slowly since they don't get the incredible over-run pricing the public does and times are tough for budgets.</div></div>
Yep and they are able to withstand up to 5,000 times the force of gravity and that alone sells thousands of them and are also 24 step vacuum Bertrillium-Zantitium multicoated how can you go wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But all of those are being replaced by Counter Sniper- just slowly since they don't get the incredible over-run pricing the public does and times are tough for budgets.</div></div>
Yep and they are able to withstand up to 5,000 times the force of gravity and that alone sells thousands of them and are also 24 step vacuum Bertrillium-Zantitium multicoated how can you go wrong.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.</div></div>
you can always count on Shankster for some quick wit...Yes, those Counter-Sniper scopes are the best. </div></div>
I think it's about time for a Counter Sniper group buy! You in?
Get one here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606294
...
</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk.</div></div>
you can always count on Shankster for some quick wit...Yes, those Counter-Sniper scopes are the best. </div></div>
I think it's about time for a Counter Sniper group buy! You in?
Get one here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606294
Re: What does the milatary use
The best part about a counter sniper scope is after you range while you range with that reticle it will guarantee you won't miss when you miss.
Flyingbullseye
The best part about a counter sniper scope is after you range while you range with that reticle it will guarantee you won't miss when you miss.
Flyingbullseye
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Get one here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606294
...
</div></div>
I feel sorry for the poor uninformed assholes that spend 600$ on one of those 50$ scopes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Get one here:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=606294
I feel sorry for the poor uninformed assholes that spend 600$ on one of those 50$ scopes.
Re: What does the milatary use
For the M40 statement I have to talk about that, cant resist. The originally came out with the Redfeild scope on the m40 then progressed to the USO then ended up with the S&B PM II, for details though search it cause there is just too much info for me to repeat it all about the history of the scopes. As far as the Leopolds are concerned they are over priced. For an entry level scope that doesn't break the bank but you wont throw away in a week would have to be the SWFA SS scopes (which had a contract with the military for a while). By the way don't let those guys that find typos get you down cause this forum isn't exactly a dictionary to begin with.
For the M40 statement I have to talk about that, cant resist. The originally came out with the Redfeild scope on the m40 then progressed to the USO then ended up with the S&B PM II, for details though search it cause there is just too much info for me to repeat it all about the history of the scopes. As far as the Leopolds are concerned they are over priced. For an entry level scope that doesn't break the bank but you wont throw away in a week would have to be the SWFA SS scopes (which had a contract with the military for a while). By the way don't let those guys that find typos get you down cause this forum isn't exactly a dictionary to begin with.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the M40 statement I have to talk about that, cant resist. The originally came out with the Redfeild scope on the m40 then progressed to the USO then ended up with the S&B PM II, for details though search it cause there is just too much info for me to repeat it all about the history of the scopes. As far as the Leopolds are concerned they are over priced. For an entry level scope that doesn't break the bank but you wont throw away in a week would have to be the SWFA SS scopes (which had a contract with the military for a while). By the way don't let those guys that find typos get you down cause this forum isn't exactly a dictionary to begin with. </div></div>
I could have swore that is was not USO scopes but Unertl. I thought USO was doing repairs to the Unertls for a long time to keep them in the field after John Unertl passed away, but it was still a Unertl designed and manufactured scope. But you may know a lot more about it than I do. And was it only Redfield scopes before that with no other brands thrown in?
Thanks for the info,
Paul
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the M40 statement I have to talk about that, cant resist. The originally came out with the Redfeild scope on the m40 then progressed to the USO then ended up with the S&B PM II, for details though search it cause there is just too much info for me to repeat it all about the history of the scopes. As far as the Leopolds are concerned they are over priced. For an entry level scope that doesn't break the bank but you wont throw away in a week would have to be the SWFA SS scopes (which had a contract with the military for a while). By the way don't let those guys that find typos get you down cause this forum isn't exactly a dictionary to begin with. </div></div>
I could have swore that is was not USO scopes but Unertl. I thought USO was doing repairs to the Unertls for a long time to keep them in the field after John Unertl passed away, but it was still a Unertl designed and manufactured scope. But you may know a lot more about it than I do. And was it only Redfield scopes before that with no other brands thrown in?
Thanks for the info,
Paul
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harleymann02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But all of those are being replaced by Counter Sniper- just slowly since they don't get the incredible over-run pricing the public does and times are tough for budgets.</div></div>
Yep and they are able to withstand up to 5,000 times the force of gravity and that alone sells thousands of them and are also 24 step vacuum Bertrillium-Zantitium multicoated how can you go wrong.
</div></div>
I thought I had seen one of these before.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=186971&page=5
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: harleymann02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But all of those are being replaced by Counter Sniper- just slowly since they don't get the incredible over-run pricing the public does and times are tough for budgets.</div></div>
Yep and they are able to withstand up to 5,000 times the force of gravity and that alone sells thousands of them and are also 24 step vacuum Bertrillium-Zantitium multicoated how can you go wrong.
</div></div>
I thought I had seen one of these before.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=186971&page=5
Re: What does the milatary use
Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean
Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
I wish we had a rep system, I'd sure send you some for that one!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
I wish we had a rep system, I'd sure send you some for that one!
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean </div></div>
Oh no.... It's only funny until someone gets hurt......
Then it's hilarious.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean </div></div>
Oh no.... It's only funny until someone gets hurt......
Then it's hilarious.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of milatary use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
Are you Black_UMP's brother?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of milatary use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
Are you Black_UMP's brother?
Re: What does the milatary use
OP, I'm not in but from what I see and hear, they "use" whatever is in inventory regardless of original contract history. The most recent contracts are flavor of the year and easy to google up, but in reality, they use just about everything because the "out of fashion" glass still works great.
OP, I'm not in but from what I see and hear, they "use" whatever is in inventory regardless of original contract history. The most recent contracts are flavor of the year and easy to google up, but in reality, they use just about everything because the "out of fashion" glass still works great.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean </div></div>
You're welcome. Please give us a full range report once you shoot it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean </div></div>
You're welcome. Please give us a full range report once you shoot it.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the M40 statement I have to talk about that, cant resist. The originally came out with the Redfeild scope on the m40 <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">then progressed to the USO</span></span> then ended up with the S&B PM II, for details though search it cause there is just too much info for me to repeat it all about the history of the scopes. As far as the Leopolds are concerned they are over priced. For an entry level scope that doesn't break the bank but you wont throw away in a week would have to be the SWFA SS scopes (which had a contract with the military for a while). By the way don't let those guys that find typos get you down cause this forum isn't exactly a dictionary to begin with. </div></div>
Incorrect.
The M40A1 was equipped with a Unertl 10x. When it came time to refurbish the scope US Optics stepped in. I am not sure of the specific details, but IIRC USO provided MST-100's for those Unertl scopes that were too far gone to be refurbished.
I can tell you with 100% certainly at least two of the M40A1's that I was issued had Unertl 10x scopes on them. We had to make sure we taped off the markings when painting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the M40 statement I have to talk about that, cant resist. The originally came out with the Redfeild scope on the m40 <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">then progressed to the USO</span></span> then ended up with the S&B PM II, for details though search it cause there is just too much info for me to repeat it all about the history of the scopes. As far as the Leopolds are concerned they are over priced. For an entry level scope that doesn't break the bank but you wont throw away in a week would have to be the SWFA SS scopes (which had a contract with the military for a while). By the way don't let those guys that find typos get you down cause this forum isn't exactly a dictionary to begin with. </div></div>
Incorrect.
The M40A1 was equipped with a Unertl 10x. When it came time to refurbish the scope US Optics stepped in. I am not sure of the specific details, but IIRC USO provided MST-100's for those Unertl scopes that were too far gone to be refurbished.
I can tell you with 100% certainly at least two of the M40A1's that I was issued had Unertl 10x scopes on them. We had to make sure we taped off the markings when painting.
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Thanks for clearing that up LoneWolf. I knew there were fixed power Unertls in there someplace.
And was anything used previous to that other than the Redfields?
Thanks for clearing that up LoneWolf. I knew there were fixed power Unertls in there someplace.
And was anything used previous to that other than the Redfields?
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On the M40, I don't believe so. Prior to the M40 they used just about anything they could get their hands on.
On the M40, I don't believe so. Prior to the M40 they used just about anything they could get their hands on.
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Isnt there a recall going on with the NF scopes in use? Something about teh Logo not being centered properly???
Just sayin.....
Isnt there a recall going on with the NF scopes in use? Something about teh Logo not being centered properly???
Just sayin.....
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the M40, I don't believe so. Prior to the M40 they used just about anything they could get their hands on. </div></div>
Gotcha. Thanks again for the information.......
Paul
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the M40, I don't believe so. Prior to the M40 they used just about anything they could get their hands on. </div></div>
Gotcha. Thanks again for the information.......
Paul
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id be sure and tape off that bsa logo before painting too it adds value right????
id be sure and tape off that bsa logo before painting too it adds value right????
Re: What does the milatary use
J. Unertle scopes were used before the USO's but USO's are still being used today on the A3's, but originally I believe the USO's were used in desert storm. Right now they are transiting to the A5 (a mistake IMHO) and I don't know if they will be used on them or if they will just stick with the S&B. Haven't found too many quotable sources on the A5 yet and the best source I seen was a clip on the M40A5 on the military channel which made it sound like they were primarily changing the barrel specs to a 20'' with a suppressor for urban conflicts. The only J. Unertle I own is on my 1903 Springfield and I have a Refeild on my M40. Also the way I understand it is the M40 used the Redfeild, the M40A1 Unertle or USO, the A3 with the S&B or USO, and the A5 is seems so far to be in the same day optics wise. By the way excuse me earlier on leaving the Unertle out, I just never associate that scope with that weapon, I usually associate it with the 1903.
J. Unertle scopes were used before the USO's but USO's are still being used today on the A3's, but originally I believe the USO's were used in desert storm. Right now they are transiting to the A5 (a mistake IMHO) and I don't know if they will be used on them or if they will just stick with the S&B. Haven't found too many quotable sources on the A5 yet and the best source I seen was a clip on the M40A5 on the military channel which made it sound like they were primarily changing the barrel specs to a 20'' with a suppressor for urban conflicts. The only J. Unertle I own is on my 1903 Springfield and I have a Refeild on my M40. Also the way I understand it is the M40 used the Redfeild, the M40A1 Unertle or USO, the A3 with the S&B or USO, and the A5 is seems so far to be in the same day optics wise. By the way excuse me earlier on leaving the Unertle out, I just never associate that scope with that weapon, I usually associate it with the 1903.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the M40, I don't believe so. Prior to the M40 they used just about anything they could get their hands on. </div></div> Well the sniper program in the US was almost non existent between WWII and Vietnam/Korea. The thought was sniping had become inefficient in the nuclear age. In Vietnam they learned that jet fighters still needed guns and that snipers were still needed and thats where old white feather comes in. Google Carlos Hathcock. He basically made the USMC program what it is today. I talked to Gary Schneider about him and he told me that they had to use non military issue ammunition for the first couple years of Vietnam.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the M40, I don't believe so. Prior to the M40 they used just about anything they could get their hands on. </div></div> Well the sniper program in the US was almost non existent between WWII and Vietnam/Korea. The thought was sniping had become inefficient in the nuclear age. In Vietnam they learned that jet fighters still needed guns and that snipers were still needed and thats where old white feather comes in. Google Carlos Hathcock. He basically made the USMC program what it is today. I talked to Gary Schneider about him and he told me that they had to use non military issue ammunition for the first couple years of Vietnam.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well the sniper program in the US was almost non existent between WWII and Vietnam/Korea. The thought was sniping had become inefficient in the nuclear age. In Vietnam they learned that jet fighters still needed guns and that snipers were still needed and thats where old white feather comes in. Google Carlos Hathcock. He basically made the USMC program what it is today. I talked to Gary Schneider about him and he told me that they had to use non military issue ammunition for the first couple years of Vietnam. </div></div>
Are you suggesting that "I" Google Carlos Hathcock?
I am fairly certain I am familiar with the history of US Sniping. Most particularly the Marine Corps sniping programs from Vietnam to about 2000.
I am also fairly certain from your post above this one that much of what you "know" is conjecture because a large portion of what you posted is at least partially incorrect.
Some of us know what we know from firsthand, not Google.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well the sniper program in the US was almost non existent between WWII and Vietnam/Korea. The thought was sniping had become inefficient in the nuclear age. In Vietnam they learned that jet fighters still needed guns and that snipers were still needed and thats where old white feather comes in. Google Carlos Hathcock. He basically made the USMC program what it is today. I talked to Gary Schneider about him and he told me that they had to use non military issue ammunition for the first couple years of Vietnam. </div></div>
Are you suggesting that "I" Google Carlos Hathcock?
I am fairly certain I am familiar with the history of US Sniping. Most particularly the Marine Corps sniping programs from Vietnam to about 2000.
I am also fairly certain from your post above this one that much of what you "know" is conjecture because a large portion of what you posted is at least partially incorrect.
Some of us know what we know from firsthand, not Google.
Re: What does the milatary use
Wow.. some people on here are rather uninformed and should really do more research prior to posting. All that stuff about nuclear age and all, I have no idea what they are talkin about.
Wow.. some people on here are rather uninformed and should really do more research prior to posting. All that stuff about nuclear age and all, I have no idea what they are talkin about.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well the sniper program in the US was almost non existent between WWII and Vietnam/Korea. The thought was sniping had become inefficient in the nuclear age. In Vietnam they learned that jet fighters still needed guns and that snipers were still needed and thats where old white feather comes in. Google Carlos Hathcock. He basically made the USMC program what it is today. I talked to Gary Schneider about him and he told me that they had to use non military issue ammunition for the first couple years of Vietnam. </div></div>
Are you suggesting that "I" Google Carlos Hathcock?
I am fairly certain I am familiar with the history of US Sniping. Most particularly the Marine Corps sniping programs from Vietnam to about 2000.
I am also fairly certain from your post above this one that much of what you "know" is conjecture because a large portion of what you posted is at least partially incorrect.
Some of us know what we know from firsthand, not Google.
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Yeah John, if you spend more time on Google I'm sure you'll find that what you learned is not what you really learned and must now be unlearned and relearned according to the learned way. Don't forget Wiki in your quest to re-educate
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well the sniper program in the US was almost non existent between WWII and Vietnam/Korea. The thought was sniping had become inefficient in the nuclear age. In Vietnam they learned that jet fighters still needed guns and that snipers were still needed and thats where old white feather comes in. Google Carlos Hathcock. He basically made the USMC program what it is today. I talked to Gary Schneider about him and he told me that they had to use non military issue ammunition for the first couple years of Vietnam. </div></div>
Are you suggesting that "I" Google Carlos Hathcock?
I am fairly certain I am familiar with the history of US Sniping. Most particularly the Marine Corps sniping programs from Vietnam to about 2000.
I am also fairly certain from your post above this one that much of what you "know" is conjecture because a large portion of what you posted is at least partially incorrect.
Some of us know what we know from firsthand, not Google.
</div></div>
Yeah John, if you spend more time on Google I'm sure you'll find that what you learned is not what you really learned and must now be unlearned and relearned according to the learned way. Don't forget Wiki in your quest to re-educate
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
Great way to keep that company's brand alive and well with this bullshit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
Great way to keep that company's brand alive and well with this bullshit.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
Great way to keep that company's brand alive and well with this bullshit. </div></div>
The shankster hate is strong in this one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
Great way to keep that company's brand alive and well with this bullshit. </div></div>
The shankster hate is strong in this one.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean </div></div>
please...no.... it can't be...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys, new to ARs and just wanted to say thanks for the advice on the Counter Sniper scope. I had never heard of it until reading all the great things about it in this thread. I just bought the one linked on the sportsmanguide.com and can't wait to get it to the range! Thanks again.
Sean </div></div>
please...no.... it can't be...
Re: What does the milatary use
We have officially changed to counter sniper scope because they are superior in every way. It's very purpose driven, for zombie killing. The special 230-+485 degree stable Bertrillium~Zantitium multicoated optics on both primary, secondary and interior lens groups is a special zombie detecting agent that works like a thermal weapon sight... EXCEPT ZOMBIES DON'T HAVE BODY HEAT... The top secret research they done on these scopes is amazing, everybody, including the delta SEALS are using them.
We have officially changed to counter sniper scope because they are superior in every way. It's very purpose driven, for zombie killing. The special 230-+485 degree stable Bertrillium~Zantitium multicoated optics on both primary, secondary and interior lens groups is a special zombie detecting agent that works like a thermal weapon sight... EXCEPT ZOMBIES DON'T HAVE BODY HEAT... The top secret research they done on these scopes is amazing, everybody, including the delta SEALS are using them.
Re: What does the milatary use
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
Great way to keep that company's brand alive and well with this bullshit. </div></div>
The shankster hate is strong in this one. </div></div>
There's no hate there mate, 90% of your stuff is funny. But I just don't get this 'can't let it go' with CS scopes and shitting on noobs. Seems counter productive and pretty thin material laughs wise IMHO.
I see someone new to shooting as a potential ally to the sport and gun ownership in general. Dicking them around and potentially wasting hundreds of dollars of their money will not help anyone.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scopes do the different groups of <span style="font-weight: bold">milatary</span> use for scopes? I heard either Leopold, Nightforce or US Optics </div></div>
The first thing they use is spell check or a dictionary.
Then they are replacing the current scopes in use with Counter Sniper scopes. The current ones they use are junk. </div></div>
Great way to keep that company's brand alive and well with this bullshit. </div></div>
The shankster hate is strong in this one. </div></div>
There's no hate there mate, 90% of your stuff is funny. But I just don't get this 'can't let it go' with CS scopes and shitting on noobs. Seems counter productive and pretty thin material laughs wise IMHO.
I see someone new to shooting as a potential ally to the sport and gun ownership in general. Dicking them around and potentially wasting hundreds of dollars of their money will not help anyone.
