I found a rifle today that is listed as a FN PBR. Please elaborate as to whether they are good guns. It looks like a knockoff of the XCR I want to buy. It is chambered in .300 WSM, and I am looking for a regular .300WM Thanks for the help.
What is a FN PBR?
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Re: What is a FN PBR?
It is basically this rifle:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF008&gid=FNG005&mid=FNM0012
The 300WSM is ballistically the same as a 300WM.
I'd take an FN PBR/Model 70 over a Remington 700 any day, and yes I own both.
One of the big things that a 700 has going for it is that it is the "small block Chevy" of rifles. Aftermarket parts galore. Also with it's cylindrical body it is a good base action to start with for accurizing.
I still feel that the M70 is a better action because of the following:
- Controlled Round Feed
- Blade ejector
- Flat bottom receiver
- Integral recoil lug
- Coned breaching
- Both of the bolt lug raceways are blocked when in battery. Helps keep gasses out of your face in the event of a case failure.
- Left gas block serves as contact point for bolt stop instead of the bolt lug.
- Three position safety
- Reliable two lever open trigger
- Bolt handle won't break loose like a Remmy. It isn't soldered straight to the outside of the bolt body.
- Well finished and machined. (except for the post 64's made in the 70's)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=129397&Number=1413143
It is basically this rifle:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF008&gid=FNG005&mid=FNM0012
The 300WSM is ballistically the same as a 300WM.
I'd take an FN PBR/Model 70 over a Remington 700 any day, and yes I own both.
One of the big things that a 700 has going for it is that it is the "small block Chevy" of rifles. Aftermarket parts galore. Also with it's cylindrical body it is a good base action to start with for accurizing.
I still feel that the M70 is a better action because of the following:
- Controlled Round Feed
- Blade ejector
- Flat bottom receiver
- Integral recoil lug
- Coned breaching
- Both of the bolt lug raceways are blocked when in battery. Helps keep gasses out of your face in the event of a case failure.
- Left gas block serves as contact point for bolt stop instead of the bolt lug.
- Three position safety
- Reliable two lever open trigger
- Bolt handle won't break loose like a Remmy. It isn't soldered straight to the outside of the bolt body.
- Well finished and machined. (except for the post 64's made in the 70's)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=129397&Number=1413143
Re: What is a FN PBR?
Ok, well what about accuracy? Addtionally, I wanted a .300 winmag, and not a wsm. You say that they are the same ballistically, so why was the wsm made? Also, please let me know about barrel life. I heard that the life of a short mag was shorter than regular mag. Why is the FN so much cheaper? Thanks for your help and patience.
Ok, well what about accuracy? Addtionally, I wanted a .300 winmag, and not a wsm. You say that they are the same ballistically, so why was the wsm made? Also, please let me know about barrel life. I heard that the life of a short mag was shorter than regular mag. Why is the FN so much cheaper? Thanks for your help and patience.
Re: What is a FN PBR?
".300 Winchester Short Magnum (also known as .300 WSM) is a thirty caliber short magnum centerfire cartridge that was introduced in 2001 by Winchester.[1] The cartridge overall length is 72.64mm, cartridge case is 53.34mm in length and the bullet diameter is 7.62mm, which is common to all U.S. .30 calibre cartridges. The principle at work in the short magnum cartridge is the advantage of fitting larger volumes of powder in closer proximity to the primer's flash hole, resulting in more uniform, consistent ignition. In field use, this round mirrors the performance of its older counterpart, the .300 Winchester Magnum, which is based on a modified .375 Holland&Holland belted magnum casing.
The big advantage to this round is ballistics that are nearly identical to the .300 Winchester Magnum, but in a lighter rifle, with a shorter action.. Of importance to some rifle shooters is the increase in efficiency of shorter casings, which results in greater inherent accuracy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_WSM
".300 Winchester Short Magnum (also known as .300 WSM) is a thirty caliber short magnum centerfire cartridge that was introduced in 2001 by Winchester.[1] The cartridge overall length is 72.64mm, cartridge case is 53.34mm in length and the bullet diameter is 7.62mm, which is common to all U.S. .30 calibre cartridges. The principle at work in the short magnum cartridge is the advantage of fitting larger volumes of powder in closer proximity to the primer's flash hole, resulting in more uniform, consistent ignition. In field use, this round mirrors the performance of its older counterpart, the .300 Winchester Magnum, which is based on a modified .375 Holland&Holland belted magnum casing.
The big advantage to this round is ballistics that are nearly identical to the .300 Winchester Magnum, but in a lighter rifle, with a shorter action.. Of importance to some rifle shooters is the increase in efficiency of shorter casings, which results in greater inherent accuracy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_WSM
Re: What is a FN PBR?
The 300WSM is a very potent round but I would stop short of calling it equal to the 300WM. It will hold it's own up to around 180 grain bullets but the WM shifts into overdrive when pushing 190-210 grain projectiles. I have 4 WSMs and am pleased with all but one of them, damn thing drives me nuts!! My GAP and the PBR are great rifles.
The 300WSM is a very potent round but I would stop short of calling it equal to the 300WM. It will hold it's own up to around 180 grain bullets but the WM shifts into overdrive when pushing 190-210 grain projectiles. I have 4 WSMs and am pleased with all but one of them, damn thing drives me nuts!! My GAP and the PBR are great rifles.
Re: What is a FN PBR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: treebasher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is basically this rifle:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF008&gid=FNG005&mid=FNM0012
The 300WSM is ballistically the same as a 300WM.
I'd take an FN PBR/Model 70 over a Remington 700 any day, and yes I own both.
One of the big things that a 700 has going for it is that it is the "small block Chevy" of rifles. Aftermarket parts galore. Also with it's cylindrical body it is a good base action to start with for accurizing.
I still feel that the M70 is a better action because of the following:
- Controlled Round Feed
- Blade ejector
- Flat bottom receiver
- Integral recoil lug
- Coned breaching
- Both of the bolt lug raceways are blocked when in battery. Helps keep gasses out of your face in the event of a case failure.
- Left gas block serves as contact point for bolt stop instead of the bolt lug.
- Three position safety
- Reliable two lever open trigger
- Bolt handle won't break loose like a Remmy. It isn't soldered straight to the outside of the bolt body.
- Well finished and machined. (except for the post 64's made in the 70's)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=129397&Number=1413143 </div></div>
Great post. You said it all man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: treebasher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is basically this rifle:
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF008&gid=FNG005&mid=FNM0012
The 300WSM is ballistically the same as a 300WM.
I'd take an FN PBR/Model 70 over a Remington 700 any day, and yes I own both.
One of the big things that a 700 has going for it is that it is the "small block Chevy" of rifles. Aftermarket parts galore. Also with it's cylindrical body it is a good base action to start with for accurizing.
I still feel that the M70 is a better action because of the following:
- Controlled Round Feed
- Blade ejector
- Flat bottom receiver
- Integral recoil lug
- Coned breaching
- Both of the bolt lug raceways are blocked when in battery. Helps keep gasses out of your face in the event of a case failure.
- Left gas block serves as contact point for bolt stop instead of the bolt lug.
- Three position safety
- Reliable two lever open trigger
- Bolt handle won't break loose like a Remmy. It isn't soldered straight to the outside of the bolt body.
- Well finished and machined. (except for the post 64's made in the 70's)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=129397&Number=1413143 </div></div>
Great post. You said it all man.
