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Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

Obviously you have not been counting how many people have shot themselves with Grocks.

Let's start with a classic.

Besides this one, there are also a few videos out there of Grocks "firing themselves".


oh, the classic one where the guy clearly pulls trigger and it fires......pretty much the exact opposite of a 320, lmao. Copium much? I prefer the videos of the 320 striker safety failing to do it's job and 50% failure rate. Or sigs vibration testing that shows 30% show signs of the striker making light indentation on primers. I just can't see being so emotionally attached to a firearm that you put blinders on. It's a basic striker pistol that doesn't do anything better than 4 or 5 other striker guns that don't come with the poor safety track record.
 
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I think he would not be impressed but I might be surprised. From what little I've read on him he was one of the most grounded individuals in the business.

I handled one of the newer "larger" framed P365s recently, I'm tempted to replace the P320 with one. I tried the metal framed version and didn't like it. The neck is too small and digs in to the web of of my hand sharply. For my baby soft hands the polymer frames soak up a little of the recoil making it more comfortable to fire.
The sig macro with a wilson grip is really nice. It seems the fuse size is directly aimed at duty size pistols, 17rd and 4.25" barrel. It's like they realized they need to get their ducks in a row and get something ready to supersede/replace the 320. I do like the 365 I have, will like it better with a stronger striker spring. Seems sig wants to get the lightest trigger pull possible, the hell with reliability or safety.
 
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I think he would not be impressed but I might be surprised. From what little I've read on him he was one of the most grounded individuals in the business.

I handled one of the newer "larger" framed P365s recently, I'm tempted to replace the P320 with one. I tried the metal framed version and didn't like it. The neck is too small and digs in to the web of of my hand sharply. For my baby soft hands the polymer frames soak up a little of the recoil making it more comfortable to fire.
I put 50 rounds through a P365 Fuse before ordering the P320, the grip was too narrow for me and I did not shoot it well with standard practice loads, I shoot the original P365 with a gold dot short barrel load and can place rounds in a tight group, I can do the same with gold dot 124+p, I use a medium grip on a P320. M&P 9 does the same but I am transitioning to optic cut.
 
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So not trying to be a dick and I don't own a sig. How does any of this "testing proves the sig can have a nd" have anything to do with a guy walking around and his sig goes of in the holster? Was there a guy walking next to him smashing his pistol with a hammer? Did any of them do a backflip landing at exactly -30 degrees on the pistol? It has been proven that under certain very unusual scenarios it can happen but so what?
 
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anything to do with a guy walking around and his sig goes of in the holster?

That one still bugs me a little. The rest of the videos I've seen leave room for something to be hung up in the trigger like a shirttail.

It's really no different than the swat guy severing 3 arteries in his leg with his holstered Glock but I don't have video of that.

Someone I know in the LEO supply business mentioned it was a "holster problem" when I was picking up a gun he but didn't elaborate and business was being conducted with other people in the shop so I didn't ask any follow up questions. Didn't want to disrupt his business with a bunch of hear say chatter.

I'm not sure how a holster could contribute to a spontaneous discharge but I also don't know what modifications had ben done to the P320 in question. Maybe the guy did some trigger tooning on his own. I've seen guys polish sears on AR-15-ish weapons to the point where the next time they take it to the range it nearly empties a magazine before they can get their finger off the trigger.

I'd like a more detailed explanation for the holster UD in the police station but I haven't tried to find it.
 
oh, the classic one where the guy clearly pulls trigger and it fires

Correct. I never said he didn't pull the trigger.

Obviously the point I was trying to make is too subtle for people with SDS which is a vast majority of the UDs in the field can be explained by booger hooks and general mishandling.

Never said the P320 wasn't capable of UD under the right conditions. But I am saying I tend to believe most of the "evidence" is actually some ham handed clumsy fuck trying to blame the machine rather than admit to a lack of discipline.

Just like the holstered Glock that "spontaneously" severed 3 arteries I hesitate to blame the machine. How many P320s have spontaneously severed any arteries?

I think mikey gets it and if that poor dumb bastard ;) can understand there should be hope for everyone.