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I built all my AR-10’s but pound for pound if for a defensive purpose the FAL Is time tested and proven. My next choice would be a Galil. My buddy has one in 7.62 and it’s a bad mofo.
What didn't you like about the tOBR? Also, what do you like about the GAP bolt action rifle that fits your purpose better?
tOBR was bought on my dime. Dr. Girlfriend bought the N6. Was offering up the tOBR for sale when the trade option came up. I now have a near precision 308 bolt gun instead of two semi AR10 type rifles. Love the GAP for bench rest and 600 yard shoot at my local range. Like it better when I’m able to go and shoot 750-800 on steel on private property. Both the ARs are more capable than I am. Just had to keep the one given... and she is Dr. Wife now.
Back when our Game and Fish enforcement officers stopped packing their selective fire M14s (decision makers cringed at full auto), one of my shooting partners was tasked at testing AR-10 type .308 rifles. Five of each rifle submitted for testing were spread around the state for testing, along with shit loads of Federal Gold Match ammo. I was present at one of the tests and no one would treat a rifle like the wardens/enforcement specialists. For example, three of the rifles submitted by Rock River were ruled out for reliability reasons early on, same is true for Smith and Wesson. Only one rifle excelled all around, as in mag dump after mag dump, without even cleaning after 500+ rounds from previous testing. Impressive damn rifle, LMT MWS. I bought one in 5.56 just days later.
My .02. Buy something with a pedigree if you think you might ever sell it. I built a Mega a few years back (pic is of the 260 upper). Full JP, Giessele, Bartlein with +2 gas by Craddock, SLR gas block, etc. It's been functionally 100% but I'm in it for over 3k and it's still not a KAC, LMT or Larue. Just something to think about. 
I have a POF P308 edge that I fuckn love. It’s a great rifle. It’s my only experience with POF thus far.
I know there is little love for POF on here but I own two, one of their first 6.5s and a newer .308 and they are both hammers. My 11 year old shot this group his first time ever shooting an ar-10 platform. Never had an issue with them and wouldn't hesitate to buy another. Only gripe is they are heavy SOBs.
I checked out the POF's but they looked weirdly proprietary. As to them being heavy I thought they were 6 pound guns? Aren't the about the lightest production AR-10 out there?
Depends on which POF you're looking at. The Revolution model is their lightweight rifle. Little under 7#s for the DI variant and a little over 7# for the gas piston variant. My 308 edge weighed around 8.5#s before optic, etc. I honestly don't know if 8.5#s is heavy for an AR-10? Mine holds well and shoots great.
I agree they do look very proprietary, and in a lot respects they are. I'm thrilled with mine and plan to buy another this year. Just don't know which model.
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The Barrett Rec10 is at 8.25 pounds. Based on how it's built I think that's a medium or semi-lightweight gun. AR-10's are just heavier than AR-15's.
My PWS mk216 was hands down the best ar 308 rifle I’ve ever owned..period!
my KAC went back 4 times for repairs...easily the worst..i got a palmetto state gen 3 308 and it’s been far more reliable than the KAC I had...
I am not saying that palmetto is better than KAC...I am saying that there are a lot of inconsistencies with AR308’s. And it makes it much easier to catch a lemon
get a PWS, JP, Larue..
r day fuck it and get a DSA osw and rock that shit.
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my KAC went back 4 times for repairs...easily the worst..i got a palmetto state gen 3 308 and it’s been far more reliable than the KAC I had...
I am not saying that palmetto is better than KAC...I am saying that there are a lot of inconsistencies with AR308’s. And it makes it much easier to catch a lemon
get a PWS, JP, Larue..
r day fuck it and get a DSA osw and rock that shit.bench
Rounds 5-10 out of a new 16” Chrome lined MWS 308 barrel. Shot off a bipod and rear squeeze bag.
Larue has a builders kit everything but the lower. Including their trigger They will sell you a billet lower for your kit for 300.00 Around 1500.00 for all the parts. They are offering free assembly on the upper for a limited time. Rail
Is different from their production guns but still monolithic Sub MOA guaranteed Calling in Monday.
Is different from their production guns but still monolithic Sub MOA guaranteed Calling in Monday.
I really, really wanted to like the LaRue. I couldn’t get past the completely unknown ‘between ten days and 9 months’ delivery time, and so many guys either getting sub-MOA or guys getting 3 MOA out of their guns with match ammo, coupled with them being made with what seems like no care for weight. They’re cool, and LaRue is one of few companies with genuinely unique approaches to problems and interesting designs. But I didn’t want a nine pound upper to show up in six months, with a two pound lower two months later, and not know what level of precision I would get from it.
I have a 2012 Larue OBR and it shot well with 168’s but with early pressure. Getting ready to put a Proof 18” CF barrel on it.
I am waiting for a Wilson Combat Billet AR10 receiver to come back in stock. Stumbled across Larues kits searching for another trigger for an AR. Seems like a smoking deal. Gonna call and get more details. Wilson combat has been real good so far they give a nice LE/Mil discount. Their shit is just never in stock at least what I want.
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Well, damn. Had to check that out.
Very impressive, indeed.
After reading all the initial recommendations of $5K+ .308's?...I was wondering if I was going to get to even read mention of DPMS (as I recently purchased an older but in unfired.like new condition 1st gen LR-308 AP4) which I threw a $350 Vortex Spitfire 3X Prism scope on and was very impressed with the accuracy of it's 16" M4 profile barrel (sub 2moa @ 100yds using Pindad 147gr Mil Surplus ammo) and after a little researching?...it turns out that many are impressed with the accuracy of the cost effective DPMS offerings...matter fact?...I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the DPMS LR-308 models won NRA's Rifleman Magazines "Rifle Of The Year" award for a couple years in the mid 2000's shooting sub moa groupings.
For a lil background?...as a Marine back in '77 I shot Rifle Expert with a rattle trap boot camp M-16 including a "Pre-Qual Day Score" of 248 *which was 1 point shy of tying Parris Island's Range Record of 249 (w/ M-16 at that time) which included 10 out of 10 bulls as shot w/ iron sights from 500yds prone so?...I think the most important questions asked here was....
Are you talking about their Ultimate Upper kits?
I know they had a brief problem several years back with barrel quality a when they changed barrel manufacturers, but they seemed to have replaced everyone's barrels that wanted them replaced.
I will say, their UU kit quality does not equal the quality of their full priced rifles. Mark has even said that himself.
I ordered a lmt from v1tactical for $2200. They had a less expensive model, too.
Full disclosure, I'm no expert. I'm a LMT fan. My MWS and MRP have both been flawless. 308 and 6.5 barrels for the big guy. 223/5.56 and 224 Valk barrels for the lil bro. If I lose these in my next boating accident and couldn't get another LMT, I'd go Seekins. Look up Frank's videos series on the SP10. Never handled Larue or DD and sure as hell can't afford/justify a KAC. Not on lowly old paramedic pay.
As for building, I don't get it. Yes, you can assemble a beautiful, accurate and incredibly well functioning rifle. But to do that you need premium components. Adding those up didn't ADD up in my mind. For a few more bucks I bought my stuff used and they are a known quantity with pretty damn good resale value. That's just this guy's opinion which, if you ask the wife, ain't worth shit. So...
As for building, I don't get it. Yes, you can assemble a beautiful, accurate and incredibly well functioning rifle. But to do that you need premium components. Adding those up didn't ADD up in my mind. For a few more bucks I bought my stuff used and they are a known quantity with pretty damn good resale value. That's just this guy's opinion which, if you ask the wife, ain't worth shit. So...
Go with the SCAR, the AR patterned rifles can get kind of heavy, especially for distance work.
SCAR's weigh about the same as common AR-10's. My Barrett is almost exactly the same as a SCAR 17s.
Not sure if you know it or not but you're using the broke dick argument. Another point is I would argue that if you need to use a firearm in any way shape or form for self preservation you should want the best-who wouldn't?
We live in good times where high quality rifle components are readily available for assembly and if that's your thing rock on and who cares what others think?
I loathe and love your post all at the same time...I love that you're cool with rolling your own out of top quality components but at the same time?...I loathe that you imply that high dollar weaponry somehow increases a person's odds of survival when it's been my experience that no one is going to be as attentive to detail than the operator whose very life depends on such where meanwhile?...many battlefields have been fertilized with the remains of elitists.
HK fanboys are elitists. I’m pretty sure he’s advocating the purchase of KAC or LMT?
Buy what you like and who cares what others think is what I was trying to say. Not really sure what your other points are but I'm sure they're good ones.
POF P308 Edge right now is my semi auto .308...tried bullpups in .308 as well and their recoil control and feel is just too much...
Full size piston AR10 that weighs 8.4 lbs... not heavy at all...
In some ways yes POF is proprietary...you can get a spare piston kit from them for $65 bucks-ish...you can use many AR10 bolts, buffers and other AR small parts in a pinch if you need to...
I've shot the HK MR762 and I found you are paying more for the name than performance...I don't think they are worth the $$$ but that is subjective to each individual...however talk about proprietary...
Previously had great luck with LMT MWS...but it was just too gassy...so when I gave up on .308 bullpups...went to POF...I had a 5.56 variant that ran AWESOME...have yet to fire the P308 though as I am awaiting my suppressor as it will not be fired without one ... however that wait has me contemplating on going bolt action for my .308 needs....
Full size piston AR10 that weighs 8.4 lbs... not heavy at all...
In some ways yes POF is proprietary...you can get a spare piston kit from them for $65 bucks-ish...you can use many AR10 bolts, buffers and other AR small parts in a pinch if you need to...
I've shot the HK MR762 and I found you are paying more for the name than performance...I don't think they are worth the $$$ but that is subjective to each individual...however talk about proprietary...
Previously had great luck with LMT MWS...but it was just too gassy...so when I gave up on .308 bullpups...went to POF...I had a 5.56 variant that ran AWESOME...have yet to fire the P308 though as I am awaiting my suppressor as it will not be fired without one ... however that wait has me contemplating on going bolt action for my .308 needs....
I dont really care what others think about my rifles, it's their comments about people who do assemble their own that irritates me.
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Another vote for the PWS MK220. Long stroke piston, standardized (as much as one could reasonably expect) components, adjustable gas block. Mine shoots MOA and I forget what I paid for it but it didn't break my bank account.
If you are looking for a value AR10, I found the Diamond Back DB10 to be a great value. When I had my FFL I sold more of them then anything else. After two customers reported sub MOA accuracy, I bought one to replace my Remington 700 and never looked back! Mine shoots sub MOA too. I did put a nice trigger and accessories on it. I usually use a can and put a heavier buffer in it to improve the reliability suppressed.
I bought a second upper from DB for a ATN Xsight (I was given) for pig hunting. The 16” barreled upper isn’t as accurate as the stainless 18” stainless barrel. I still have the 16” upper, But sold off the POS ATN Xsight!
I bought a second upper from DB for a ATN Xsight (I was given) for pig hunting. The 16” barreled upper isn’t as accurate as the stainless 18” stainless barrel. I still have the 16” upper, But sold off the POS ATN Xsight!
I am with you...on AR10s...I'd want a factory rifle...at minimum a factory barreled upper with bolt
For those of you advocating for PWS, what is it about the rifle that makes it a contender with the MWS, GAP-10, AR-25, OBR, etc....? Do you think the engineering imporvements and long stroke characteristics give it that much of an advantage over the more standard DI big bore AR's?
I had a POF revolution and hated the recoil impulse-violent and jerky. Maybe because it was a .308 that weighed under 8lbs? I had a Sig 556 classic piston rig that was pretty smooth though.
Yeah...the Revolution is light weight...too light in my opinion...and its action is of an AR15...
AR10s...need to remain full size...and above 8 lbs... .308/7.62NATO needs a little heft...more importantly...it needs BCG mass...hence why it was designed "larger" by Stoner.
Revolution meets a criteria though...but it is not as a DMR type rifle (which is what I want a .308 semi for)...it is more on the carbine side of things...you can tame it with a better muzzle brake and a suppressor...
To me the Revolution recoils like the MDR...way to snappy and odd...I would never own a Revolution.
Another great .308 rifle is the XCR-M...the current gen models are good to go and Robinson has ironed out a lot of kinks...
AR10s...need to remain full size...and above 8 lbs... .308/7.62NATO needs a little heft...more importantly...it needs BCG mass...hence why it was designed "larger" by Stoner.
Revolution meets a criteria though...but it is not as a DMR type rifle (which is what I want a .308 semi for)...it is more on the carbine side of things...you can tame it with a better muzzle brake and a suppressor...
To me the Revolution recoils like the MDR...way to snappy and odd...I would never own a Revolution.
Another great .308 rifle is the XCR-M...the current gen models are good to go and Robinson has ironed out a lot of kinks...
I actually liked the gun a lot. It was a shooter too-I would get moa using FGMM about 1/2 the time. Funny you mention the bolt and carrier-the main reason I sold was because I just didn't like that it was basically same size as a 556 but shooting a 762. Main reason I sold-and the recoil impulse. It was a pretty nice rig and I never had any problems with it.
Its a great gun don't give me wrong...but I wouldn't buy an AR10 for what the Revolution's intended purpose is...it fits a role...its just not the role for me...
For that...I'll take a 5.56 gun...why I also gave up on .308 bullpups...they were just too snappy...MDR was the worst...Tavor 7 is manageable but still not smooth...haven't tried the RFB yet...but I doubt I will...as a lefty...those are my three choices for a lefty friendy bully...
For that...I'll take a 5.56 gun...why I also gave up on .308 bullpups...they were just too snappy...MDR was the worst...Tavor 7 is manageable but still not smooth...haven't tried the RFB yet...but I doubt I will...as a lefty...those are my three choices for a lefty friendy bully...
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Pistons make them snappy. Short stroke guns have a huge spike in recoil energy and they shake when the tappet smashes the carrier. If I was to get a piston gun it would be long stroke. Also, the original AR-10 was really light. And you don’t need a heavy carrier for 7.62, it’s just traditional. I’ve had three mid sized ARs now, 901 and MSR-10, and taking five ounces off the carrier reduces recoil compared to my big frame guns.
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