Who has the Borka torque kits?

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#1
Looking around for a torque driver and these keep coming up. Pretty neat. But as we all ( or might not all know ) any form of torque "wrench" ( being driver or twin beam, dial etc ) should be calibrated every year or close to that. With that being said, is there a way to get these calibrated?
 
#3
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

+1

It's a metal bar. What's to calibrate?

There was a discussion on this some time ago....probably find it if you use the search function and hunt around

Or, if he doesn't chime in, PM Hide member kortik. He can explain how they work....they're his product

What are you planning to use it for and what range of torque are you needing?

Website: http://www.borkatools.com/
 
#5
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These don't need calibration by design.</div></div>
+1 These use leverage and mechanical advatage rather than adjusting break strength to meet different torque levels. The break strength on these is factory set and will not change, and therefore will not require any calibration. I have yet to hear of any of these being inaccurate even after being abused. Borka is good to go in my book.
 
#7
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boss334OP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These don't need calibration by design.</div></div>
+1 <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">These use leverage and mechanical advatage rather than adjusting break strength to meet different torque lev</span>els</span>. The break strength on these is factory set and will not change, and therefore will not require any calibration. I have yet to hear of any of these being inaccurate even after being abused. Borka is good to go in my book. </div></div>

thanks!
 
#8
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

I was debating between a Borka and a CDI torque wrench. I ended finding a 0-75 inch/lb dial CDI wrench for $135 shipped. I figured I can use it for my guns and for my cars in the garage. Its a full 0-75 range.
 
#9
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Borka torque kit is awesome </div></div>

+100. I love mine it's very simple and accurate. One of the best purchases I've made.
 
#10
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your kind words about my torque driver. Shot Show closed yesterday, I'm still in Las Vegas, but should be back home shortly... Show was fun, picked up 4 more dealers, all good brands, to sell my products in the U.S. Not looking for any more U.S. dealers.

Anyway, I do not believe I know everything, but with my 30 years in practical engineering, Ph.D. in mechanical engineering and being a licensed PE in State of Michigan, which is, seriously, a big deal as far as I'm concerned, I thought I would give my reply to this "calibration" issue.

In short, most people do not realize where this calibration thingie comes from. In 99% of the cases, it comes from the need of CORPORATION to pass QS audits. To pass it, company must show re-freshed and annualy (or every 2 years) updated caliberation stickers attached to the something used for production or QC of company products. Whatever needs to have such sticker to pass audit may be perfectly fine, but company MUST still have it refreshed to be in compliance with formal requirements. Let's call it PAPER WORK part of the business.

In reality, if you're an individual user, you need this sort of frequent calibration as much as you need your balls painted in red to look attractive to the opposite sex. Say, you got calibration certificate with your tools, which is fine in theory, but I wonder how much use you'll have for it in real life. Will it be actually used for the physical tightening of the fasteners? Is this piece of paper all you need to be completely happy?

Professional engineers know very well or at least may have an educated guess based on prior research, how the compression spring under specific constant load will behave, how much relaxation of the sprng will occur in certain number of years and how it may change force (or torque) values. No magic here, it's what prefessional engineers do for living. My torque drivers do not need annual "calibration", because it designed by me, the professional engineer, who is also, as I was told, qualifies as a gun nut, who knows a bit about this stuff, and if I say it is good for 50,000 cyclesor 25 years, whichever comes first, I'm putting my PE license and all my credentials as an enginner on line.... I do not sell my tools as sales guy, I sell my tools as an engineer who also managers sales.

If design is good - you do not need to worry about calibration, because it is simply not applicable in this case. If Seekonk, say, suggests calibration after every 5,000 cycles, or once a year, it has very little to do with real world situtation, unless Seekonk makes a super crapy product, which, I beieve, is not a case. It's just a way to make extra money for company by providing "extra services".

Borka Tools torque driver DOES NOT need to be recalibrated for at least 25 years or 50,000 cycles, which ever comes first. After one of this factors takes place, you can expect up to 5% drop in output torque, which is still not a big deal, as far as I'm concerned, but f you're concerned, I'll do spring replacement and re-calibration for you for $25 + shipping.

Boris
 
#11
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In reality, if you're an individual user, you need this sort of frequent calibration as much as you need your balls painted in red to look attractive to the opposite sex.</div></div>

Kryloning is the poor man's testicle decoration. I get my balls dipped in red wax, like the top of a maker's mark bottle. I find it holds up better that way.
 
#12
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

Boris, I thought your design was genius before I found out how long it could go without wearing out or needing calibration. That's pretty amazing and I'm even more stoked with my SRA/MG5 kit now.

The 50,000 cycles without the need of calibration is crazy, that AND the fact that you would tell us that. Not many companies would make that public knowledge and that makes it easier to support and promote someone who would post that information. Honest, makes a good product, stands behind it with good CS and is a member here, not to mention the price compared to others. Hard to beat all that.
 
#14
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

Kortik, Thanks for the education... Common sense in light of all the hype we have been fed for years!!!!

Borka top block on my to get list!!!!
 
#15
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gentlemen,

Thank you for your kind words about my torque driver. Shot Show closed yesterday, I'm still in Las Vegas, but should be back home shortly... Show was fun, picked up 4 more dealers, all good brands, to sell my products in the U.S. Not looking for any more U.S. dealers.

Anyway, I do not believe I know everything, but with my 30 years in practical engineering, Ph.D. in mechanical engineering and being a licensed PE in State of Michigan, which is, seriously, a big deal as far as I'm concerned, I thought I would give my reply to this "calibration" issue.

In short, most people do not realize where this calibration thingie comes from. In 99% of the cases, it comes from the need of CORPORATION to pass QS audits. To pass it, company must show re-freshed and annualy (or every 2 years) updated caliberation stickers attached to the something used for production or QC of company products. Whatever needs to have such sticker to pass audit may be perfectly fine, but company MUST still have it refreshed to be in compliance with formal requirements. Let's call it PAPER WORK part of th business.

In reality, if you're an individual user, you need this sort of frequent calibration as much as you need your balls painted in red to look attractive to the opposite sex. Say, you got
calibration certificate with your tools, which is fine in theory, but I wonder how much use you'll have for it in real life. Will it be actually used for the physical tightening of the fasteners? Is this piece of paper all you need to be completely happy?

Professional engineers know very well or at least may have an educated guess based on prior research, how the compression spring under specific constant load will behave, how much relaxation of the sprng will occur in certain number of years and how it may change force (or torque) values. No magic here, it's what prefessional engineers do for living. My torque drivers do not need annual "calibration", because it designed by me, the professional engineer, who is also, as I was told, qualifies as a gun nut, who knows a bit about this stuff, and if I say it is good for 50,000 cyclesor 25 years, whichever comes first, I'm putting my PE license and all my credentials as an enginner on line.... I do not sell my tools as sales guy, I sell my tools as an engineer who also managers sales.

If design is good -,= you do not need to worry about calibration, because it is simply not applicable in this case. If Seekonk, say, suggests calibration after every 5,000 cycles, or once a year, it has very little to do with real world situtation, unless Seekonk makes a super crapy product, which, I beieve, is not a case. It's just a way to make extra money for company by providing "extra services".

Borka Tools torque driver DOES NOT need to be recalibrated for at least 25 years or 50,000 cycles, which ever comes first. After one of this factors takes place, you can expect up to 5% drop in output torque, which is still not a big deal, as far as I'm concerned, but f you're concerned, <span style="color: #FF0000">I'll do spring replacement and re=calibration for you for $25 + shipping.</span>

Boris
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Well in that case, keep an eye out for mine in December 2036!
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#16
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob L. Swagger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Well in that case, keep an eye out for mine in December 2036!
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+1 I love my MG9!
 
#18
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the best place to order one? </div></div>

From kortik himself...
 
#21
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

I have checked mine twice on a torque wrench calibrating fixture, FWIW 15 inch pounds and 65 inch pounds check perfect, I enjoy the simple effective design, I don't know if it could hold up to hardcore industrial use but for what we need a torque for it's simply perfect.
 
#22
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have checked mine twice on a torque wrench calibrating fixture, FWIW 15 inch pounds and 65 inch pounds check perfect, I enjoy the simple effective design, I don't know if it could hold up to hardcore industrial use but for what we need a torque for it's simply perfect. </div></div>

Brian,

Thank you. You're correct that MG torque driver is not really an industrial tool, although it can be probably made as such, but cost will be certainly considerably higher. Ergonomics for the industrial type tool would also need to be changed.
Current kits do have industrial grade accessories from Mountz.
 
#24
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

Great equipment, and great kit from the group buy. I like the fact you are talking to the designer/engineer/owner of the product/company.
 
#27
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

I have seen a lot of torque tool designs in my life. In fact, my company designs many torque tools for our customer base. The Borka tool is well thought out for variable torque applications for a non production environment. For gun use or a technical hobbyist, or field service application - I'm impressed.

Just for reference, ISO6789 is a hand torque tool standard that governs the criteria a tool must meet to be considered compliant to the standard. There's a lot to read, but the basics on longevity before recalibration are that a tool must withstand 5,000 cycles at the upper end of its range during test before it requires a calibration. At 50,000 cycles the Borka tool is 10X better than the ISO standard.

I'm thinking that it's an excellent value for the money considering how it is packaged and the accompanying accessories.

Useful designs that are affordable require a lot more thought than one might appreciate.

As an FYI, I attended the SHOT show for the first time this past week. I found it to be a wonderful event filled with professional people sharing a common interest. I plan to return.
 
#29
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mountz001</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen a lot of torque tool designs in my life. In fact, my company designs many torque tools for our customer base. The Borka tool is well thought out for variable torque applications for a non production environment. For gun use or a technical hobbyist, or field service application - I'm impressed.

Just for reference, ISO6789 is a hand torque tool standard that governs the criteria a tool must meet to be considered compliant to the standard. There's a lot to read, but the basics on longevity before recalibration are that a tool must withstand 5,000 cycles at the upper end of its range during test before it requires a calibration. At 50,000 cycles the Borka tool is 10X better than the ISO standard.

I'm thinking that it's an excellent value for the money considering how it is packaged and the accompanying accessories.

Useful designs that are affordable require a lot more thought than one might appreciate.

As an FYI, I attended the SHOT show for the first time this past week. I found it to be a wonderful event filled with professional people sharing a common interest. I plan to return. </div></div>

Welcome to the Sniper's Hide!

Mountz supplies components for my torque driver kits, and I'm sure glad to have this company support - they offer excellent quality products, exceptional customer service, pleasure of working with highly professional and friendly people in general and strong support for our gun rights in particular. SH members looking for not just torque tools for gunsmithing, but, say, for automotive, aerospace or other industrial applications may want to check them out - Mountz got some real good stuff...
 
#30
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gentlemen,

Thank you for your kind words about my torque driver. Shot Show closed yesterday, I'm still in Las Vegas, but should be back home shortly... Show was fun, picked up 4 more dealers, all good brands, to sell my products in the U.S. Not looking for any more U.S. dealers.

Anyway, I do not believe I know everything, but with my 30 years in practical engineering, Ph.D. in mechanical engineering and being a licensed PE in State of Michigan, which is, seriously, a big deal as far as I'm concerned, I thought I would give my reply to this "calibration" issue.

In short, most people do not realize where this calibration thingie comes from. In 99% of the cases, it comes from the need of CORPORATION to pass QS audits. To pass it, company must show re-freshed and annualy (or every 2 years) updated caliberation stickers attached to the something used for production or QC of company products. Whatever needs to have such sticker to pass audit may be perfectly fine, but company MUST still have it refreshed to be in compliance with formal requirements. Let's call it PAPER WORK part of th business.

In reality, if you're an individual user, you need this sort of frequent calibration as much as you need your balls painted in red to look attractive to the opposite sex. Say, you got
calibration certificate with your tools, which is fine in theory, but I wonder how much use you'll have for it in real life. Will it be actually used for the physical tightening of the fasteners? Is this piece of paper all you need to be completely happy?

Professional engineers know very well or at least may have an educated guess based on prior research, how the compression spring under specific constant load will behave, how much relaxation of the sprng will occur in certain number of years and how it may change force (or torque) values. No magic here, it's what prefessional engineers do for living. My torque drivers do not need annual "calibration", because it designed by me, the professional engineer, who is also, as I was told, qualifies as a gun nut, who knows a bit about this stuff, and if I say it is good for 50,000 cyclesor 25 years, whichever comes first, I'm putting my PE license and all my credentials as an enginner on line.... I do not sell my tools as sales guy, I sell my tools as an engineer who also managers sales.

If design is good -,= you do not need to worry about calibration, because it is simply not applicable in this case. If Seekonk, say, suggests calibration after every 5,000 cycles, or once a year, it has very little to do with real world situtation, unless Seekonk makes a super crapy product, which, I beieve, is not a case. It's just a way to make extra money for company by providing "extra services".

Borka Tools torque driver DOES NOT need to be recalibrated for at least 25 years or 50,000 cycles, which ever comes first. After one of this factors takes place, you can expect up to 5% drop in output torque, which is still not a big deal, as far as I'm concerned, but f you're concerned, I'll do spring replacement and re=calibration for you for $25 + shipping.

Boris
</div></div>

As a fellow PE.....that is an epic answer.....
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#31
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrOneEyedBoh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks guys,
this is 100% made in the USA or is it just the torque driver itself. </div></div>

Torque driver and pouch are 100% U.S. made. All parts of torque driver are manufactured in MI, with the exception of a spring (made by Rockford Spring in IL), fasteners are sources from McMaster Carr and pouch is made in TX by TAB GEAR. User guide is also printed in the U.S. by the company owned, BTW, by one of the SH members - Goellner Printing. Accessories are supplied by Mountz, Inc. in San Jose, CA. I know for sure that Mountz does not use any components made in China. A few of the components not made in the U.S. are imported, for the simple reason that it is physically impossible to have them made in the U.S. either in principle or at any reasonable cost. Kind of a bit sad situation, but it is today's economic reality. On the other hand, the imported components included in Borka Tools kits are of very high quality, and come only from sources known to deliver everything as ordered/specified, and in compliance with ISO and DIN standards. For example, Mountz, being in industrial applications business, is really serious about all these stuff, and all their components, both made domestically and imported, are validated and tested to comply with the most strict requirements. That's a huge difference from typical U.S.consumer oriented cheap (in all respects) stuff from Walmart and the likes.



 
#32
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

Quality product and easy to use. Got mine quickly. I keep it in my stock pack and use it frequently.

Good to know it does not have to be calibrated. By design it seemed to me that it would not need to be anyways.
 
#34
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M.45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Love my Borka! Got mine from Triad Tactical.

Best tool kit for your pack on the market. The only thing I was bummed about when I got mine a couple weeks ago was I didn't buy it sooner!





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This +100,000,000
Boris is good to go.
Customer support is top notch.
When I placed my order with the group buy I messed up the entire thing, my paypal had the wrong address, I didn't give the right info, just plain stupid mistakes made at 2am. The next morning when I realized what I had done I contacted Boris in a panic, no problem at all Boris sent a e-mail right back to tell me to relax he had it all handled. My only complaint is that I didn't by it sooner.
 
#39
Re: Who has the Borka torque kits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">group buy going on now? </div></div>

No, not right now. I typically run GB for <span style="text-decoration: underline">the new products </span>on favorable terms for SH members, hoping, along the way, to get SH members feedback and desirably, suggestions. While GB proved every time to be an effective way to sell my products, GB is obviously not supposed to be an online store for Borka Tools. Another consideration is that the selling of current product line at any discount relative to retail prices for any long periods of time may potentially hurt Borka Tools dealers interests.

Please take a note that SH is the only place on the web where I may run GBs for new products from time to time, which is because of my respect and gratitude to SH members and Frank, and also, relatively easy ability to reach and talk to professional and knowledgable people. Most of Borka Tools dealers are also SH vendors or SH members. Please support them.

List of current Borka Tools U.S. based dealers:

1. Triad Tactical
2. Liberty Optics
3. Mile High Shooting Accessories
4. Rifles Only
5. U.S. Optics
6. SWFA
7. JW Precision (U.S.A. and Canada)
8. Brownells (MG2 only, special Brownells version)
9. Dave Manson Precision Reamers (MG4/MG6 only)


Got good dealers in Australia (Shooting champ Stuart Elliott, BRT Shooter's Supply, Queensland) and in U.K. (Mike Norris, Brock@Norris). Grande Armeria Cammuna (Italy) bought several kits for their sniper rifles in 2011.

My trusted vendor Tony from TAB GEAR may, occasionaly, have some kits in various pouch colors. Naturally, I also sell my products thru Borka Tools website.

Boris
www.borkatools.com
 
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