Why a SASS?
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Re: Why a SASS?
guess it's the same thing as double posting the same topic
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2225247#Post2225247
guess it's the same thing as double posting the same topic
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2225247#Post2225247
Re: Why a SASS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epaultmbt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who carries an AR as a primary and a precision bolt rifle as a secondary in a pack or in the truck? Fight into position with the AR then shoot long with the bolt.
Bolt gun primary, crazy talk.
Then why a SASS?
</div></div>I am not military and I have never had to "fight into position." However, have you ever hefted most SASS rigs? They aren't ideal by any means for CQB to midrange combat. The weight makes them unwieldy and a 3.5-10 optic is not nearly as fast as an aimpoint. The carbine is still a tool that is certainly not replaced by a SASS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epaultmbt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who carries an AR as a primary and a precision bolt rifle as a secondary in a pack or in the truck? Fight into position with the AR then shoot long with the bolt.
Bolt gun primary, crazy talk.
Then why a SASS?
</div></div>I am not military and I have never had to "fight into position." However, have you ever hefted most SASS rigs? They aren't ideal by any means for CQB to midrange combat. The weight makes them unwieldy and a 3.5-10 optic is not nearly as fast as an aimpoint. The carbine is still a tool that is certainly not replaced by a SASS.
Re: Why a SASS?
besides if your carrying a bolt gun for obvious reasons, why are you trying to fight your way into anywhere?
to attract more attention to yourself?
the semi (usually a carbine) is for short range self defense for insertion / extraction if need be.
as addressed in the OP other post 45 minutes ago, the SASS is a bit bulky and heavy to be as effective as a carbine in a skirmish should one arise.
besides if your carrying a bolt gun for obvious reasons, why are you trying to fight your way into anywhere?
to attract more attention to yourself?
the semi (usually a carbine) is for short range self defense for insertion / extraction if need be.
as addressed in the OP other post 45 minutes ago, the SASS is a bit bulky and heavy to be as effective as a carbine in a skirmish should one arise.
Re: Why a SASS?
Fight into position? Have people turned into zombies... please tell me so. I need to wear my barrel in 308 quick to have an excuse to go to 260 lol. You're crazy fighting into position. Who and what are you fighting is my question?
Fight into position? Have people turned into zombies... please tell me so. I need to wear my barrel in 308 quick to have an excuse to go to 260 lol. You're crazy fighting into position. Who and what are you fighting is my question?
Re: Why a SASS?
Hobbyists will not immediately understand because they are choosing with their wallets, balanced against play and practice time and obligations.
For military snipers there are several planning formulae we habitually fall back on.
METT-T(P) and Risk Assessment are two.
The Mission always dictates. Equipment available; Time; Troops, Terrain; and any Political or civilian factors affect planning and execution.
Risk = Probability X Consequences. What are the enemy's most likely and most dangerous courses of action?
What is your definition of success and what is a tolerable risk? What is desired end-state and how do you want the battlefield to look?
The answer isn't always a bolt gun, nor is it always an auto or a magnum.
Look at how the guys from the SOTIC School Cadre planned for the Benning International Sniper Competition. Once they figured out the general courses of fire; target distances; precision and accuracy requirements; and general weight, movement, and fatigue demands for a four-day gut check the equation came back with Larue OBRs as the right tool for that mission set. Somewhere out in West Texas or the Rockies might have called for .338 Magnums.
If your only tool is a hammer pretty soon a lot of your problems may begin to look like nails.
Hobbyists will not immediately understand because they are choosing with their wallets, balanced against play and practice time and obligations.
For military snipers there are several planning formulae we habitually fall back on.
METT-T(P) and Risk Assessment are two.
The Mission always dictates. Equipment available; Time; Troops, Terrain; and any Political or civilian factors affect planning and execution.
Risk = Probability X Consequences. What are the enemy's most likely and most dangerous courses of action?
What is your definition of success and what is a tolerable risk? What is desired end-state and how do you want the battlefield to look?
The answer isn't always a bolt gun, nor is it always an auto or a magnum.
Look at how the guys from the SOTIC School Cadre planned for the Benning International Sniper Competition. Once they figured out the general courses of fire; target distances; precision and accuracy requirements; and general weight, movement, and fatigue demands for a four-day gut check the equation came back with Larue OBRs as the right tool for that mission set. Somewhere out in West Texas or the Rockies might have called for .338 Magnums.
If your only tool is a hammer pretty soon a lot of your problems may begin to look like nails.
Re: Why a SASS?
You need to post this on AR15.com.
Along with the debate about which 15,000 rounds of ammo in your garage is best for fighting off the screaming hordes.
You need to post this on AR15.com.
Along with the debate about which 15,000 rounds of ammo in your garage is best for fighting off the screaming hordes.
Re: Why a SASS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You need to post this on AR15.com.
Along with the debate about which 15,000 rounds of ammo in your garage is best for fighting off the screaming hordes. </div></div>
This
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You need to post this on AR15.com.
Along with the debate about which 15,000 rounds of ammo in your garage is best for fighting off the screaming hordes. </div></div>
This
Re: Why a SASS?
Seems like a question destined for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY&feature=player_embedded+
Fight "into position" then take long shots?
Seems like a question destined for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY&feature=player_embedded+
Fight "into position" then take long shots?
Re: Why a SASS?
Um, that is exactly what happens in a pair of missions on the new Medal of Honor game. But that guy carries 2 sniper rifles, a subgun and a pistol
Exactly what are you trying to say? Are video games lying to me?
Um, that is exactly what happens in a pair of missions on the new Medal of Honor game. But that guy carries 2 sniper rifles, a subgun and a pistol
Exactly what are you trying to say? Are video games lying to me?
Re: Why a SASS?
I have never really heard of anyone in the Military having to "Fight their way into position" to take a long shoot.
Once anyone has spotted you trying to get into position for a long shot, you are toast. The idea of the long shot is to get into position unseen, unheard and undetected.
Thanks Video Games for the youths understanding of the sniper and designated marksman.
I have never really heard of anyone in the Military having to "Fight their way into position" to take a long shoot.
Once anyone has spotted you trying to get into position for a long shot, you are toast. The idea of the long shot is to get into position unseen, unheard and undetected.
Thanks Video Games for the youths understanding of the sniper and designated marksman.
Re: Why a SASS?
Fighting into position, no.
Killing a half-dozen jackasses and fighting / waiting to link up with your conventional Army Stryker brothers, yup.
Fighting into position, no.
Killing a half-dozen jackasses and fighting / waiting to link up with your conventional Army Stryker brothers, yup.
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