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Why can foreigners own US land?

If the government decides to build a highway though your land, are you going to be able to stop them?

If you want to build a home on your land, don’t you need approval from the government? Doesn’t that approval require you to build according to their guidelines?

What about zoning rules?

Doesn’t the government charge you property tax that you must pay to keep your land?

Is your land really yours at all when you think about it? Cause it sounds more like a lease to me. Is it the deed that makes the difference?
 
Because neither the Dems nor the Repubs give a fuck about American citizens, especially the middle class. The Dems purposely are letting in half of south and central America in the hopes that one day they will become citizens and vote Democrat. Never mind that they don't speak English, know are care about our culture, and will be a drain on American taxpayers. The Repubs want the cheap labor so that American citizens can be replaced with foreigners who will work for half the wages. To your question, Repubs were offering US residency to anyone who came here with money in their account and bought property. It was a way to "help" with depressed real estate markets after 2008. Repubs always thinking about their business interests first and foremost. Invite foreigners to buy our land and properties and we'll give you a path to US citizenship.
 
Why the Fk does it matter? Let the foreigners buy the land, put money in our pockets.
As the Russian sanctions have shown, all it takes is a simple sanction to take it all back while keeping the proceeds.... You want to claim your "land" after we sanctioned it back? Come and get it...

Haven't you learned anything? Just because a piece of "paper/title" says you own your land means shit when push comes to shove....
 
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Why the Fk does it matter? Let the foreigners buy the land, put money in our pockets.
As the Russian sanctions have shown, all it takes is a simple sanction to take it all back while keeping the proceeds.... You want to claim your "land" after we sanctioned it back? Come and get it...

Haven't you learned anything? Just because a piece of "paper/title" says you own your land means shit when push comes to shove....
X act lee. The Chicoms own most, or a lot, of the hog farms in the US. What do you think will happen if they start a war" Many hungry Chinese.
 
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X act lee. The Chicoms own most, or a lot, of the hog farms in the US. What do you think will happen if they start a war" Many hungry Chinese.
Precisely. The best thing now is for China to buy up huge swaths of land in the US, pay up, pay us and pay property taxes on it. Then, when China invades Taiwan, we sanction it all back, keep the proceeds and tell them to go fk themselves....
 
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And only land owners should be allowed to vote
Anyone could break up an sell small parcels to influence the vote.

Currently most people do not own land. Most owe the bank Money. Which would narrow those eligible to vote to basically nothing.

What I would think would be a better course is people who do not pay property tax, are not eligible to vote on matters related to property tax. Just like you don’t vote for representatives outside of your district.

I personally do not believe owning property should not be a whole sale voting requirement. IMO, you basically make the majority of the country ineligible. But it should regulate eligibility in certain matter.
 
Anyone could break up an sell small parcels to influence the vote.

Currently most people do not own land. Most owe the bank Money. Which would narrow those eligible to vote to basically nothing.

What I would think would be a better course is people who do not pay property tax, are not eligible to vote on matters related to property tax. Just like you don’t vote for representatives outside of your district.

I personally do not believe owning property should not be a whole sale voting requirement. IMO, you basically make the majority of the country ineligible. But it should regulate eligibility in certain matter.

Or just pay tax, I’ve gone back and forth in owning, but have more invested and more income than most voters.
 
Kind of a dumb system to pay for land why not just stake a claim and take it like others before.If you want to stand on the earth you have to pay someone, God has some cash cow here .......
 
Currently most people do not own land. Most owe the bank Money. Which would narrow those eligible to vote to basically nothing.

You don't quite understand how loans for your house work.

You own the house (well as much as anything can be owned when if you don't pay a government rent, police with guns come take it from you)
The Bank has an agreement that the house is collateral against the loan you took out and if you don't pay the loan, they can apply to the courts to take possession of the collateral.

So your statement is wrong.

Now as to why land ownership was originally a voting qualification is very simple. Your votes can affect you and your neighbors property and lives and finances for a long time to come. Given that, you want people to vote that actually have long term skin in the game, a renter is probably not going to care if they vote the taxes up so their kid can have a fancy 100 million football stadium to play in 5 to 10 times during a couple years there before they move on.
But a home owner who has lived there for 10 years or so and plans to be around for another 20 years or so, is going to think twice about how much they are going to have to pay over the next few decades for that stupidity.

Now as to well you could make a bunch of tiny land parcels, that's easily solved, you make it that you have to have to live on the property as your primary domicile and it's the minimum house size and standards as defined by the city / county / state.
This is pretty much the same as what the rules are here for claiming homestead exemptions on part of your tax bill for property that is your home.

If you are just renting, you probably aren't planning on staying there long, so why should the actual long term residents have to live with the results of your short term desires that don't take into account long term costs?

We see that here, where all the stupid apartment dwellers and renters are always voting for tax increases to get some shiny bauble, while most homeowners vote against the ever rising taxes. Then those same stupid renters are always bitching that their rents keep going up and they need to find a new place that's cheaper. Well no shit stupids, you just voted in a huge tax increase on properties...

Is it the be all end all of ways to fix voting? Probably not, because in many bigger cities corporations own huge amounts of the housing and only rent it out and buying is actually near impossible for all but the most wealthy.

Only being able to vote if you were a net taxpayer is another very good idea, but also has an issue with the problem that it would disenfranchise a large amount of people who are retired and essentially living off promises made to them that are being paid for by other workers, just as they paid for the promises made to the prior generation. (many don't get that is actually how it works).

So some kind of hybrid system where you have to either be a homestead owner, living on the property as your primary domicile, or that you are a net taxpayer. Then add in some thing about if you are on low income assistance aka welfare, (so it excludes social security and retirement / pensions payments) then you are not eligible to vote that year unless you wound up being a net taxpayer.
(Yes this excludes folks on retirement that just rent, as you could easily argue they may have little concern for what goes on long term, but only care about getting all they can).

Again, it's rather difficult to come up with something firm because everybody is going to whine about edge cases and whatever.
But the alternative is that it's all fair as everybody gets to vote and the masses vote themselves into oblivion while blindly trying to vote themselves free stuff that other people have to pay for.
 
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I mean how fucking stupid, in many counties you need to show citizenship to own land, heck in many places with faaaaar less to offer than the US opening a bank account or even registering a car without being a citizen has tons of hoops to jump through.
Thinking about trying to buy a Sari Sari Store in a remote Province in the Philippines , and get outta here 🙈 actually wonder the hoops there are as far a foreigners buying property/Bahay ?

Hispanics have been buying up property in my lil town , no problem.
THEN they don’t do the property taxes thingy that I have to. 💩
 
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I mean how fucking stupid, in many counties you need to show citizenship to own land, heck in many places with faaaaar less to offer than the US opening a bank account or even registering a car without being a citizen has tons of hoops to jump through.


Countries are different than counties.

Generally speaking it is because politicians are weak and corrupt and morally bankrupt. In Thailand, the country where most of you losers will have to go to pay another living person to have sex with you, you cannot technically own land. One of my former co-workers lives there. He leased a lot a block in from Pattaya Beach for 75 years and built a house on it. He spends his retirement on whores and drinking. When he croaks, the house can be sold because he owns it and the lease will be redone by the next owner someday on the future with actual citizens of the country controlling the process. Most countries have a process and regulate who can own their lands, forests or large tracts of property that could hinder the economy or quality of life.


Lenin was right. He once supposedly said, "The Capitalists will see us the rope with which we will hang them". People in this country will sell their values, property, land, businesses and lives for pennies on the dollar to the next rulers of America and they will line up to do it. Lebron James is a stellar example.
 
You all must realize that that China is just latest to try and monopolize farmland. Years ago (early 70's) the family owned farms were being bought by corporations by the handful all over the country. I had a friend back then where his family lived on a house that a farmer owned. The house was just a second home on the farmland. A big corporation came in and bought the farm, lock stock and barrel. However, the farmer wanted to gift a small portion of the farm and the house to my friend's family. The corporation said they would do that for the farmer at no cost to the farmer or the family. Well when it came time for all properties to be transferred, there was never a sales agreement for my friend's family. I don't remember the particulars due to my age, but the farm was transferred in its entirety with no provisions for my friend's family. They only had something like a month or so to move.

Big corporations, (at least on the east coast) killed family farms long before China got involved.
 
Anyone could break up an sell small parcels to influence the vote.

Currently most people do not own land. Most owe the bank Money. Which would narrow those eligible to vote to basically nothing.

What I would think would be a better course is people who do not pay property tax, are not eligible to vote on matters related to property tax. Just like you don’t vote for representatives outside of your district.

I personally do not believe owning property should not be a whole sale voting requirement. IMO, you basically make the majority of the country ineligible. But it should regulate eligibility in certain matter.
Fine, 100 acres.
 
I just laugh at how I can’t take all my American money and buy a place in Mexico nearly as easily as Mexicans can buy property here.

All and all, I think restricting land ownership to citizens should be standard.
 
Thinking about trying to buy a Sari Sari Store in a remote Province in the Philippines , and get outta here 🙈 actually wonder the hoops there are as far a foreigners buying property/Bahay ?

Have you lived in the Philippines?
Life is very different to here and owning a small store is very different than it is here.
Having servants as just part of life is interesting and all, but then you also have to have live in armed guards if you have any money so...
You'd have an easier go of it if you marry a local rather than if you want to plunk down there with a full on family.
(but you know be picky, very picky, you should look for someone with a lot of education and a good family and such).

You may not have a full understanding of the poverty that exists in the remote provinces that is unknown to folks in the USA.
I'm talking about if you are traveling through the remote provinces and someone not wealthy invites you for dinner, the correct answer is your stomach is upset from one of the local bugs, because the plate of food they set in front of you, might be all the food the family has for that meal.

The sari sari stores are like selling coke in little disposable plastic bags because cans and bottles are worth too much.
You aren't going to easily run a small store and have the kind of standard of living you are used to in any remote fashion.

If you have a lot of money and a steady income stream from abroad, you can live amazingly well.
But not if you are trying to actually earn a living.
The locals also don't actually like poor foreigners, they will have no problem telling you to go be poor somewhere else, but if you are rich and know how to properly employ a good part of the local community, they are all good with you.

If you haven't spent some serious time there, I'd suggest you go live there for a year before thinking about moving there for good.
 
You don't quite understand how loans for your house work.

You own the house (well as much as anything can be owned when if you don't pay a government rent, police with guns come take it from you)
The Bank has an agreement that the house is collateral against the loan you took out and if you don't pay the loan, they can apply to the courts to take possession of the collateral.

So your statement is wrong.

Now as to why land ownership was originally a voting qualification is very simple. Your votes can affect you and your neighbors property and lives and finances for a long time to come. Given that, you want people to vote that actually have long term skin in the game, a renter is probably not going to care if they vote the taxes up so their kid can have a fancy 100 million football stadium to play in 5 to 10 times during a couple years there before they move on.
But a home owner who has lived there for 10 years or so and plans to be around for another 20 years or so, is going to think twice about how much they are going to have to pay over the next few decades for that stupidity.

Now as to well you could make a bunch of tiny land parcels, that's easily solved, you make it that you have to have to live on the property as your primary domicile and it's the minimum house size and standards as defined by the city / county / state.
This is pretty much the same as what the rules are here for claiming homestead exemptions on part of your tax bill for property that is your home.

If you are just renting, you probably aren't planning on staying there long, so why should the actual long term residents have to live with the results of your short term desires that don't take into account long term costs?

We see that here, where all the stupid apartment dwellers and renters are always voting for tax increases to get some shiny bauble, while most homeowners vote against the ever rising taxes. Then those same stupid renters are always bitching that their rents keep going up and they need to find a new place that's cheaper. Well no shit stupids, you just voted in a huge tax increase on properties...

Is it the be all end all of ways to fix voting? Probably not, because in many bigger cities corporations own huge amounts of the housing and only rent it out and buying is actually near impossible for all but the most wealthy.

Only being able to vote if you were a net taxpayer is another very good idea, but also has an issue with the problem that it would disenfranchise a large amount of people who are retired and essentially living off promises made to them that are being paid for by other workers, just as they paid for the promises made to the prior generation. (many don't get that is actually how it works).

So some kind of hybrid system where you have to either be a homestead owner, living on the property as your primary domicile, or that you are a net taxpayer. Then add in some thing about if you are on low income assistance aka welfare, (so it excludes social security and retirement / pensions payments) then you are not eligible to vote that year unless you wound up being a net taxpayer.
(Yes this excludes folks on retirement that just rent, as you could easily argue they may have little concern for what goes on long term, but only care about getting all they can).

Again, it's rather difficult to come up with something firm because everybody is going to whine about edge cases and whatever.
But the alternative is that it's all fair as everybody gets to vote and the masses vote themselves into oblivion while blindly trying to vote themselves free stuff that other people have to pay for.
Appreciate the well thought out reply.

I as to the home loan yes your name is on it, it is in your possession but the bank is the one who actually purchased it, you are paying the bank.
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Renters, are paying property taxes through rent. The money is being transfed through the owner/name in the mortage person. Do they realize this affects their rent? Most likely don’t care.
 
Have you lived in the Philippines?
Life is very different to here and owning a small store is very different than it is here.
Having servants as just part of life is interesting and all, but then you also have to have live in armed guards if you have any money so...
You'd have an easier go of it if you marry a local rather than if you want to plunk down there with a full on family.
(but you know be picky, very picky, you should look for someone with a lot of education and a good family and such).

You may not have a full understanding of the poverty that exists in the remote provinces that is unknown to folks in the USA.
I'm talking about if you are traveling through the remote provinces and someone not wealthy invites you for dinner, the correct answer is your stomach is upset from one of the local bugs, because the plate of food they set in front of you, might be all the food the family has for that meal.

The sari sari stores are like selling coke in little disposable plastic bags because cans and bottles are worth too much.
You aren't going to easily run a small store and have the kind of standard of living you are used to in any remote fashion.

If you have a lot of money and a steady income stream from abroad, you can live amazingly well.
But not if you are trying to actually earn a living.
The locals also don't actually like poor foreigners, they will have no problem telling you to go be poor somewhere else, but if you are rich and know how to properly employ a good part of the local community, they are all good with you.

If you haven't spent some serious time there, I'd suggest you go live there for a year before thinking about moving there for good.
I was TAD at Subic for a month at a time during the early to mid 70’s. Long enough to live off base in Olongapo or Subic City while I was there.…probably a year total.
My ”steady” GF lived in a jungle Province not far from Baguio. Her Dad was a JEST instructor at Cubi Pt. I Went back in 02 for a month , and stayed with a family that were friends with my now deceased wife. I traveled 1/2 the time , chilled the other…. Papasan was really really connected , cuts through lots of BS.
I can speak enough Tagalog to keep from getting ripped off , enough to hold a decent conversation.
I really like the people , their culture , food , and San Miguel’s 🍻.
I’m not rich , but I have a steady income , and no wife or debts.
I’ll be 69 soon , have few tie-down chains on my ass.
Lots of negatives for sure …weather , health care /dentist and such.
Know a few expats that were lifers , so getting adjusted would be easier.
The Sari Sari Store idea would be a sideline.
People there aren’t as nerved up as the people here and the tranquility near a Ocean seems research worthy ?

PS: those drinks in plastic bags have saved me from being dehydrated after San Miguel’s & monkey meat 🙈
 
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Appreciate the well thought out reply.

I as to the home loan yes your name is on it, it is in your possession but the bank is the one who actually purchased it, you are paying the bank.
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Renters, are paying property taxes through rent. The money is being transfed through the owner/name in the mortage person. Do they realize this affects their rent? Most likely don’t care.

As I recall from my properties, that BS property tax mostly goes to the dumpster fire gov schools, as well as the local FD who was all vollies and had a so so reaction time, also covered town water and sewer, which I didn’t use.

Getting fucked by the dead beat local gov by funding sending their crotch fruit to gov indoc camps isn’t something to brag about.
 
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I was TAD at Subic for a month at a time during the early to mid 70’s. Long enough to live off base in Olongapo or Subic City while I was there.…probably a year total.
My ”steady” GF lived in a jungle Province not far from Baguio. Her Dad was a JEST instructor at Cubi Pt. I Went back in 02 for a month , and stayed with a family that were friends with my now deceased wife. I traveled 1/2 the time , chilled the other…. Papasan was really really connected , cuts through lots of BS.
I can speak enough Tagalog to keep from getting ripped off , enough to hold a decent conversation.
I really like the people , their culture , food , and San Miguel’s 🍻.
I’m not rich , but I have a steady income , and no wife or debts.
I’ll be 69 soon , have few tie-down chains on my ass.
Lots of negatives for sure …weather , health care /dentist and such.
Know a few expats that were lifers , so getting adjusted would be easier.
The Sari Sari Store idea would be a sideline.
People there aren’t as nerved up as the people here and the tranquility near a Ocean seems research worthy ?

There are some amazingly beautiful places out by the beach in the middle of nowhere.
It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what to expect, so as long as your income is worked out for the rest of your life, you'll probably have a great time.
 
There are some amazingly beautiful places out by the beach in the middle of nowhere.
It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what to expect, so as long as your income is worked out for the rest of your life, you'll probably have a great time.
It’s a possible option. My wife was a RN (Anglo) and tutored RN’s that came here from the PI , they (gov) made it easy to get here. One of them became good friends with us , still are with me . Her husband was in the Constabulary during Marcos’ stint… When he came here for a year once , he got his Masters Degree in a LEO field. Both are back there now , retired. Another huge plus. 👍
I’ve been to Thailand , Viet Nam , India …didn’t get a good vibe like I got in the PI.
Sounds like you’ve been there too 👍
 
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I’ve been to Thailand , Viet Nam , India …didn’t get a good vibe like I got in the PI.

I'm going to say why you got the "good vibe" in the PI is that the culture there is heavily influenced by both Christianity and the Americans.
They have a similar idea of right and wrong and in their own way most of the people I knew there all wanted to be "decent" folks & most were hard working. Even the poor were out hustling to make a living even if it meant selling cigarettes, gum and candy by the individual piece during rush hour.

I never made it to India, but had family that lived there and it's not a place they want to go back to or that I would want to go (granted they lived in and around the big ugly cesspit cities, not out in nicer places like Goa and such). Their culture and religious background made things a lot darker and less good than other spots.

I can't say much about Thailand other than whenever we met other foreigners who had lived there for a long time, they always just seemed kind of creepy like they had spent too long finding themselves in a temple or something. Just the vibe I got off them said you don't want whatever they do to you in Thailand. Plus their whole forced respect and near deity worship of the POS human being they call a King really annoys me (and saying that in Thailand would get you thrown in jail).
 
I'm going to say why you got the "good vibe" in the PI is that the culture there is heavily influenced by both Christianity and the Americans.
They have a similar idea of right and wrong and in their own way most of the people I knew there all wanted to be "decent" folks & most were hard working. Even the poor were out hustling to make a living even if it meant selling cigarettes, gum and candy by the individual piece during rush hour.

I never made it to India, but had family that lived there and it's not a place they want to go back to or that I would want to go (granted they lived in and around the big ugly cesspit cities, not out in nicer places like Goa and such). Their culture and religious background made things a lot darker and less good than other spots.

I can't say much about Thailand other than whenever we met other foreigners who had lived there for a long time, they always just seemed kind of creepy like they had spent too long finding themselves in a temple or something. Just the vibe I got off them said you don't want whatever they do to you in Thailand. Plus their whole forced respect and near deity worship of the POS human being they call a King really annoys me (and saying that in Thailand would get you thrown in jail).
You have a good concept and take on life in SE Asia !
I’m sure that the ease of communication with people of the PI makes it more welcoming too. Never see or hear of one without one job 👍
I went to Karachi in 74 , place and people made 0 sense. Thankfully it was a fast in and out.
Thailand was different than anywhere else , can’t speak a word.
Have a local friend that’s married to a woman from Goa. She came the correct
and co$tly way , now a US citizen and hardcore Trumper !
I went there in 2015 right after Monsoons.
Mumbai was a way overcrowded dump , but once in Goa , everything was fine.
Still never got a “ have to go back” feeling though.
 
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As I recall from my properties, that BS property tax mostly goes to the dumpster fire gov schools, as well as the local FD who was all vollies and had a so so reaction time, also covered town water and sewer, which I didn’t use.

Getting fucked by the dead beat local gov by funding sending their crotch fruit to gov indoc camps isn’t something to brag about.
When my mom went full Karen on my dad when I was a kid and skipped state(1997), she moved us in with my grandparents. Before I went to school my grandfather sat me down and explained how he’s been paying property taxes that go to support of schools and hasn’t had a child in school since 1969... that I need to get his monies worth. He wasn’t a fan of property tax either.
 
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