Nice mine was certified the same day but it’s on a trust, hopefully it’ll get approved soonPicked up my first can today.
Individual
LGS/SS kiosk
Certified 2-15-24
Approved 3-1-24
15 days.
Nice mine was certified the same day but it’s on a trust, hopefully it’ll get approved soonPicked up my first can today.
Individual
LGS/SS kiosk
Certified 2-15-24
Approved 3-1-24
15 days.
They must have done a batch afor my LGS today. When I picked mine up she said several came in at the same time. Some were only 1 week.It is interesting to see these quick approval times coming in
According to ATF website
As of Feb 1st, Last reviewed Feb 12th
Totals of Pending NFA Forms
- Current Forms 4 pending: 190,840
- Total NFA forms pending: 207,439
Yup and I'm happy for ya!They must have done a batch afor my LGS today. When I picked mine up she said several came in at the same time. Some were only 1 week.
I think I might Form 1 SBR my new MP5 I just picked up today. But for now I'm just going to run a Safety Harbor collapsable brace setup with a GHW Tailhook Mod1C brace.I threw in another Form 1 Jan17th thinking it’d be quick yet, on that long boat ride again!
Ha, DMV = slothsWe can probably surmise with a high degree of statistical certainty, that in the aggregate, all 50 of the States' BMVs are a warp factor 3.2 compared to the ATF. Yet motor vehicles account for an exponentially greater number of deaths and injuries compared to NFA items.
Ha, DMV = sloths
"Hey, Flash, wanna hear a joke?"
Good information, thank you.if you include your SS# you will receive a "bundling process" (batch approval) as a newly implemented policy.
i am at 423 days. you're a piker.WTF… I’m seeing all these come back in record time, yet I’m at like 85 days on my most recent submission (trust, obviously…which is probably why).
You might want to call your local congressional representative to have them contact the ATF and FBI to find out why it's taking so long. That's completely abnormal times. Since eForms kicked off, my longest was about 280 days or so. Before eForms, with the paper Form 4's, I had a couple go as long as 12,13, & 14 months.i am at 423 days. you're a piker.
So, why are they doing it...? That's the million $$$ question... Why fuck with trustees, and not individuals? Is it because the Trust adds an extra layer of protection for the trustee, so that the ATF can't just walk it back and say, "Oh those stamps are no longer valid" and then claim your in violation? Is it because the Trust is a binding legal agreement that is documented, signed, and notarized by several people, which guarantees you permission to have it? Whereas with a individual Form 4, they could just burn the whole system to the ground, and then say, "oh, we don't have a copy of your Form in our system... You must have plagiarized that, now you're going to jail for having an illegally-obtained suppressor we didn't approve..."So I caught this gem in the FAQ,
Q. Are there other factors other than the review process that result in longer processing times for trusts?
Yes. The most common reasons attributable to trust processing delays include:
o Failure to submit a valid trust, e.g., there is only one person named in the trust who is the settlor, trustee, and beneficiary;
So are they basically saying that they are going to be purposely delaying trusts such as the single shot trust where only one person is named on the trust while streamlining individual applications?
Because if so that’s pretty fucked up.
Probably the same reason that they went after trusts in the first place in 2016 by changing the rules to require finger prints and background checks for everyone on the trust. They don’t like that trusts can add people they aren’t aware of and since they can’t get rid of them they decided to force people to either file individually and get it quick or do the trust and wait months to years just because.So, why are they doing it...? That's the million $$$ question... Why fuck with trustees, and not individuals? Is it because the Trust adds an extra layer of protection for the trustee, so that the ATF can't just walk it back and say, "Oh those stamps are no longer valid" and then claim your in violation? Is it because the Trust is a binding legal agreement that is documented, signed, and notarized by several people, which guarantees you permission to have it? Whereas with a individual Form 4, they could just burn the whole system to the ground, and then say, "oh, we don't have a copy of your Form in our system... You must have plagiarized that, now you're going to jail for having an illegally-obtained suppressor we didn't approve..."
I mean, seems like a stretch, but they've actually done WAY worse on many occasions over the last 100 years... Waco... Ruby Ridge... etc...
already did. still nothing.You might want to call your local congressional representative to have them contact the ATF and FBI to find out why it's taking so long. That's completely abnormal times. Since eForms kicked off, my longest was about 280 days or so. Before eForms, with the paper Form 4's, I had a couple go as long as 12,13, & 14 months.
Ditto.I have gotten 3 emails from atf saying I need to submit my form 2. Wtf
I’m at 320 days, called to check status and the lady said I’m in delayed status? i already own 4 other suppressors. Nothing has changed Anyone know what this means?
Yeah, means it’s sitting under a box of donuts at the FBI. They just put it on delay to stop the clockI’m at 320 days, called to check status and the lady said I’m in delayed status? i already own 4 other suppressors. Nothing has changed Anyone know what this means?
I’m looking at the Mojave 9 also. What made you go with that can?Alright my fellow hearing safety enthusiasts, I just bought a Dead Air Mojave 9 today. My gun store said they’ve been seeing some approvals from 4 days to 5 weeks. The waiting begins again.
There’s a lot I like about the Mojave 9.I’m looking at the Mojave 9 also. What made you go with that can?
How is the "regular 4473 background check" different from what they were doing before?So buddy is an SOT who got an email from the atf and supposedly the fast approval times are because ATF is switching to a regular 4473 background check for form 4s. His shop has had every one of their form 4s approved that is over 2 weeks old and personally saw 2 different people with 12 day approvals and heard a story of a neighboring shop having a 30 minute approval time on one guy. I'm assuming there is some merit to this because we went to order some more suppressors for the shop today and damn near everything is out of stock.
Also, is it going to be this fast for machine guns and SBRs, or is it just cans?
Wish I could tell you. I just don't know. I don't understand why the store can't just run it through NICS like a firearm, collect $200 for the king and give you your can. And maybe that is what they are moving towards. As far as sbrs and FA I think it is across the board but I don't know for sure.How is the "regular 4473 background check" different from what they were doing before?
Why are some of the older applications on here (somebody above said 400 days) still not moving?
You should ask your buddy to post the email, it should be public anyways given ATF is a govt agency, freedom of information act allows us to view itWish I could tell you. I just don't know. I don't understand why the store can't just run it through NICS like a firearm, collect $200 for the king and give you your can. And maybe that is what they are moving towards. As far as sbrs and FA I think it is across the board but I don't know for sure.
Well, I'm gonna let you guys jump on the wagon because I know as soon as I do they'll decide to start at the beginning of the stack and we will all be back at the end of the line.This confirms it. I need to buy another as an individual
So, here’s a question… If I buy one as an individual for the fast turn around time, get it approved, and then want to transfer it to a Single Shot Trust like all my other cans, does that cost another $200 and wait time, or do I just submit paperwork to transfer?
Yes it’s another $200.So, here’s a question… If I buy one as an individual for the fast turn around time, get it approved, and then want to transfer it to a Single Shot Trust like all my other cans, does that cost another $200 and wait time, or do I just submit paperwork to transfer?
The wait time really wouldn’t matter, since you are the owner, you maintain possession of the item. But I’m just wondering about cost and simplicity.This is what I am wondering. I do not believe that it is another $200, but probably some more paperwork (hoops) to complete.
How long of a wait is it to transfer an individual item to a Trust?
The wait time really wouldn’t matter, since you are the owner, you maintain possession of the item. But I’m just wondering about cost and simplicity.
Sorry about that let me rephrase. I was told during purchasing, If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp for approval of that trust (at least that’s how I understood it). I’m not sure if an additional tax stamp is required for transfer to an existing. Definitely worth looking into though.This is why it shouldn't cost another $200. You're already in possession of the item since it’s already been transferred to you. Claiming you do not own items in your Trust is government BS.
Sorry about that let me rephrase. I was told during purchasing, If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp for approval of that trust (at least that’s how I understood it). I’m not sure if an additional tax stamp is required for transfer to an existing. Definitely worth looking into though.
If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp