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GOP boycott in Michigan successfully ends 2 years of Dem control of House, kills dozens of Democrat nonsense bills including gun and accessory bans.
- The Bear Pit
- 3 Replies
LANSING, MICHIGAN DEC 19, 2024
The final days of this year's Michigan State House legislative session ended today after a weeklong sustained boycott and filibuster by Republican delegates and one Democrat ally which resulted in the termination of two years of Democrat control, along with dozens of leftist bills that were snuffed out before they could be sent up to the second chamber for approval. The State House will restart again in January with the Republican Party in control holding a solid 58-52 majority.
Among the bills that were killed were bans on suppressors, "ghost guns", and bump stocks. Also killed were bills requiring non-cigarette pipe/cigar tobacco and electronic cigarette dealers to become licensed, which is great news for Michigan's very large nexus of industries catering to the vape, vape mod/tank building, and nicotine e-liquid making world. (Let me give a BIG shout out as well to Inline Vape in Michigan for consistent quality and service. We cloud-nuts who had been building variable wattage/voltage devices and running hot coils on salt nicotine juice since 2015 have relied on ya'll for most of the components.)
AND UP NEXT FOR 2025:
The final days of this year's Michigan State House legislative session ended today after a weeklong sustained boycott and filibuster by Republican delegates and one Democrat ally which resulted in the termination of two years of Democrat control, along with dozens of leftist bills that were snuffed out before they could be sent up to the second chamber for approval. The State House will restart again in January with the Republican Party in control holding a solid 58-52 majority.
Among the bills that were killed were bans on suppressors, "ghost guns", and bump stocks. Also killed were bills requiring non-cigarette pipe/cigar tobacco and electronic cigarette dealers to become licensed, which is great news for Michigan's very large nexus of industries catering to the vape, vape mod/tank building, and nicotine e-liquid making world. (Let me give a BIG shout out as well to Inline Vape in Michigan for consistent quality and service. We cloud-nuts who had been building variable wattage/voltage devices and running hot coils on salt nicotine juice since 2015 have relied on ya'll for most of the components.)
Michigan House ends session in boycotts, acrimony and dead legislation
The Michigan House adjourned Thursday until the end of the year following a days-long boycott of session that ended with an hour-long call of the House
www.detroitnews.com
AND UP NEXT FOR 2025:
MDT Field Stock for the 10/22
- By Mark_Dorman
- All Things Rimfire
- 3 Replies
I ordered the new MDT Field Stock for the Ruger 10/22 over Black Friday. They released it the day before they went on sale so figured it was a great time to try one out. Some of you know that I'm a fan of MDT even though I don't run any of their chassis anymore. I've had an Oryx for my 10/22 and an ACC for my Vudoo and 223 R700. I am familiar with their quality, designs, and features.
I'll start off by saying I am probably not the typical 10/22 shooter so take what I value with a grain of salt. I'm an NRL/PRS guy who enjoys positional shooting. I don't shoot bench rest (outside of ammo testing) and I don't do a lot of off-hand rimfire shooting. That being said, I've been looking for a decent stock option for my 10/22 that would allow me to shoot it like my NRL/PRS guns (Vudoo 360 and CZ 457). I will probably never compete with the 10/22, I just like the idea of being able to and shoot those types of courses for fun.
First Impressions:
Design seems robust and has a good feel to it. It definitely feels more solid than most composite stocks I've held. It does not feel like other MDT chassis I've handled (duh), though it might be similar to the XRS. Not a bad thing, just don't expect that normal heavy duty MDT feel of an ACC or Oryx (again, duh).
The quality for a polymer stock that retails for $300 (I paid $210 on Black Friday) is quite good. I've had a factory Ruger 10/22 stock and a Victor Titan in the past. This feels way higher quality; both in how stiff it is and how solid it feels. Gives a nice deep tone when you knock on it and doesn't sound like a toy.
Key Features & Pros:
Inletting - Aluminum Inletting gives the receiver a solid surface to mate to. Similar to having a Mini Chassis or V-Block bedding.
Rear Anchor - Having a rear anchor system is really nice for performance. The system they developed for this stock is an idea I’ve heard kicked around for a while. It doesn’t seem like the most secure method, but it is better than nothing. You can see they use a plastic/polymer buffer bar that is longer than normal to attach the rear anchor. The buffer is also held in place by the stock when installed.
M-Lok Forend - One of the biggest challenges with a 10/22 is getting it to balance for positional shooting. Most 10/22 stocks and chassis have shorter forends. This is probably because the majority of 10/22s come with 16 inch barrels. There are a handful of options that can balance out with a good amount of weights added (Kidd Precision Chassis, Grey Birch La Chassis, and maybe the KRG Bravo).
I’m not actually a big fan of Aluminum Chassis, I just don’t like the feel. So when the Field Stock became available with all these M-lok slots I got excited. I added an Area 419 weighted ARCA Rail to it already and it almost balances out perfectly. I think a few extra M-Lok weights and it’ll be perfect. Yes, I know you can balance a 10/22 more easily if you’re okay sitting it on top of the magwell, but I like my magazines changeable when it’s on a bag. Another plus, the forend bottom is flat unlike the Oryx. While you could still get an ARCA Rail to mount on the Oryx, the options were much more limited. You either had to flex/bend a thin one or use the MDT one made for it.
Adjustability - The LOP can be changed with the spacers & hardware they include and the cheek comb is adjustable using a thumb screw (toolless).
Cons:
Rear Anchor - MDT missed out on a big opportunity to make another stock that is compatible with the Kidd Rear Tang. This is probably where they will lose some market share as a lot of people run Kidd (or Kidd Style) Rear Tangs/Anchors or plan to run one in the future. The system works fine, but it inherently doesn’t seem as secure/solid as the pinch system on the Oryx or a true bolt down anchor like the aforementioned rear tangs. Maybe MDT can comment on this as they designed it and I’m not an engineer.
Cheek Comb Riser - I understand why they used this design. It is very cost efficient. However, the system is not great at staying in place. The thumb screw can only go so tight without pulling out pliers and the cheek riser will still move with a moderate amount of force. Not that I usually press on my cheek comb hard, but I also don’t usually expect it to move if I put a bit more than normal cheek pressure on it. The cheek riser is also quite narrow so not the most comfortable.
My fix for both of these issues were pretty simple. I added a little bit of stick on rubber to the inside of the riser pillar and it seems to work. Had to get the placement right as going too low it would just get stuck. I also added some foam padding to the cheek comb to make it more comfortable and a little wider.
Minor Grips that aren’t really cons:
LOP Hardware - MDT was nice enough to include the spacers. A lot of their stocks don’t come with them, though I’d take $30 off the price to not have them. The stock comes with a 14 inch Length of Pull with a single spacer installed from the factory. I pulled this 1/4 in spacer out to get a 13.75 in LOP. The gripe is about the hardware they include and use to secure the buttpad. The phillips head screws are in there super tight and it’s hard to not strip them while removing them. Hex screws would have been much nicer. Also, the longer screws they include for increasing LOP are not the same thread pitch. They’ll work since they’re just screwing into plastic, but how hard would it be to just use the same type of hardware?
Instructions - MDT still hasn't put a note on their instructions for rimfire applications. You are supposed to use your Factory Turque Specs for rimfire actions. I set mine to 25 in-lbs.
Conclusion/Summary:
For the price, I think the MDT Field Stock is a great stock option for the 10/22. I would choose this over the Victor Titan and several other options. However, is it a better option than the KRG Bravo? That’s the real question and I actually really want to do a side by side comparison now. The KRG Bravo retails for a very similar price (almost the same if you have to add on the LOP spacers). The main thing I can say I know I like better about the Field Stock vs the Bravo is the longer forend (about 2 inches longer). The Bravo is very short overall.
I plan to take the new setup out to the range this weekend so we’ll see how it feels to shoot. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase and think MDT did a good job. Maybe they’ll see this and consider making changes to the rear anchor in the future. I think it would be worth the effort.
I'll start off by saying I am probably not the typical 10/22 shooter so take what I value with a grain of salt. I'm an NRL/PRS guy who enjoys positional shooting. I don't shoot bench rest (outside of ammo testing) and I don't do a lot of off-hand rimfire shooting. That being said, I've been looking for a decent stock option for my 10/22 that would allow me to shoot it like my NRL/PRS guns (Vudoo 360 and CZ 457). I will probably never compete with the 10/22, I just like the idea of being able to and shoot those types of courses for fun.
First Impressions:
Design seems robust and has a good feel to it. It definitely feels more solid than most composite stocks I've held. It does not feel like other MDT chassis I've handled (duh), though it might be similar to the XRS. Not a bad thing, just don't expect that normal heavy duty MDT feel of an ACC or Oryx (again, duh).
The quality for a polymer stock that retails for $300 (I paid $210 on Black Friday) is quite good. I've had a factory Ruger 10/22 stock and a Victor Titan in the past. This feels way higher quality; both in how stiff it is and how solid it feels. Gives a nice deep tone when you knock on it and doesn't sound like a toy.
Key Features & Pros:
Inletting - Aluminum Inletting gives the receiver a solid surface to mate to. Similar to having a Mini Chassis or V-Block bedding.
Rear Anchor - Having a rear anchor system is really nice for performance. The system they developed for this stock is an idea I’ve heard kicked around for a while. It doesn’t seem like the most secure method, but it is better than nothing. You can see they use a plastic/polymer buffer bar that is longer than normal to attach the rear anchor. The buffer is also held in place by the stock when installed.
M-Lok Forend - One of the biggest challenges with a 10/22 is getting it to balance for positional shooting. Most 10/22 stocks and chassis have shorter forends. This is probably because the majority of 10/22s come with 16 inch barrels. There are a handful of options that can balance out with a good amount of weights added (Kidd Precision Chassis, Grey Birch La Chassis, and maybe the KRG Bravo).
I’m not actually a big fan of Aluminum Chassis, I just don’t like the feel. So when the Field Stock became available with all these M-lok slots I got excited. I added an Area 419 weighted ARCA Rail to it already and it almost balances out perfectly. I think a few extra M-Lok weights and it’ll be perfect. Yes, I know you can balance a 10/22 more easily if you’re okay sitting it on top of the magwell, but I like my magazines changeable when it’s on a bag. Another plus, the forend bottom is flat unlike the Oryx. While you could still get an ARCA Rail to mount on the Oryx, the options were much more limited. You either had to flex/bend a thin one or use the MDT one made for it.
Adjustability - The LOP can be changed with the spacers & hardware they include and the cheek comb is adjustable using a thumb screw (toolless).
Cons:
Rear Anchor - MDT missed out on a big opportunity to make another stock that is compatible with the Kidd Rear Tang. This is probably where they will lose some market share as a lot of people run Kidd (or Kidd Style) Rear Tangs/Anchors or plan to run one in the future. The system works fine, but it inherently doesn’t seem as secure/solid as the pinch system on the Oryx or a true bolt down anchor like the aforementioned rear tangs. Maybe MDT can comment on this as they designed it and I’m not an engineer.
Cheek Comb Riser - I understand why they used this design. It is very cost efficient. However, the system is not great at staying in place. The thumb screw can only go so tight without pulling out pliers and the cheek riser will still move with a moderate amount of force. Not that I usually press on my cheek comb hard, but I also don’t usually expect it to move if I put a bit more than normal cheek pressure on it. The cheek riser is also quite narrow so not the most comfortable.
My fix for both of these issues were pretty simple. I added a little bit of stick on rubber to the inside of the riser pillar and it seems to work. Had to get the placement right as going too low it would just get stuck. I also added some foam padding to the cheek comb to make it more comfortable and a little wider.
Minor Grips that aren’t really cons:
LOP Hardware - MDT was nice enough to include the spacers. A lot of their stocks don’t come with them, though I’d take $30 off the price to not have them. The stock comes with a 14 inch Length of Pull with a single spacer installed from the factory. I pulled this 1/4 in spacer out to get a 13.75 in LOP. The gripe is about the hardware they include and use to secure the buttpad. The phillips head screws are in there super tight and it’s hard to not strip them while removing them. Hex screws would have been much nicer. Also, the longer screws they include for increasing LOP are not the same thread pitch. They’ll work since they’re just screwing into plastic, but how hard would it be to just use the same type of hardware?
Instructions - MDT still hasn't put a note on their instructions for rimfire applications. You are supposed to use your Factory Turque Specs for rimfire actions. I set mine to 25 in-lbs.
Conclusion/Summary:
For the price, I think the MDT Field Stock is a great stock option for the 10/22. I would choose this over the Victor Titan and several other options. However, is it a better option than the KRG Bravo? That’s the real question and I actually really want to do a side by side comparison now. The KRG Bravo retails for a very similar price (almost the same if you have to add on the LOP spacers). The main thing I can say I know I like better about the Field Stock vs the Bravo is the longer forend (about 2 inches longer). The Bravo is very short overall.
I plan to take the new setup out to the range this weekend so we’ll see how it feels to shoot. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase and think MDT did a good job. Maybe they’ll see this and consider making changes to the rear anchor in the future. I think it would be worth the effort.
Accessories SOLD - SOLD - Area 419 Arcalock dual clamp new
- By 981kirk
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 2 Replies
New unused. $140 shipped PayPal F&F or add 3%
Or Venmo
. Nashville Tennessee area
Or Venmo
SOLD Armanov 100rd Billet Ammo Checkers 9mm (used once) and 45ACP (never used).
- By RedBreast21
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 2 Replies
"How can you be so sure you never used the .45ACP?" - Because I've literally never loaded for .45ACP, ha.
Reloading Equipment Free Shipping over $50 on ARX bullets - frangibles starting at 4.7 cents each plus free shipping
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 0 Replies
We have the best price anywhere for new frangible bullets.
Starting at 4.7 cents each + Free Shipping, you can shoot like it's the 1990s again.
Check it all out here: https://ravenrocksprecision.com/12-days-of-christmas-sale/
Starting at 4.7 cents each + Free Shipping, you can shoot like it's the 1990s again.
Check it all out here: https://ravenrocksprecision.com/12-days-of-christmas-sale/
Accessories FN SCAR 20S Barrel Assembly 16" .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor
- By zekers7
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 2 Replies
Attachments
SOLD ARC Nucleus .308 WIN barrel
- By Aklenk8
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 5 Replies
PVA Osprey barrel for ARC Nucleus. I believe this would also headspace on an Archimedes or Mausingfield but I would need to verify that to be certain. Barrel is 18” and chambered in .308 Winchester. M24 contour, 1:9 twist, and 5/8x24 muzzle threads. 375 total rounds recorded.
I would also entertain selling as a barreled action with a gen1 Nucleus for additional funds.
$425 shipped for barrel
I would also entertain selling as a barreled action with a gen1 Nucleus for additional funds.
$425 shipped for barrel
Firearms Old school GAP
- By Black max
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 4 Replies
For sale or trade is an old school GA Precision 308. She has less than a case of ammo down the barrel and will ship in the pictured SKB hard case with the Arken Gen2 4-16 scope, two 5 round AICS mags and one 10 rounder. Specs below:
- 22” Bartlein 11.25 twist. Appears to be an M24
-Templar action
-Calvin elite trigger
-Badger M5 bottom metal
- Pillar bedded in a Manners GAT stock with the
Most bitchin paint job you’ve ever seen!
Will trade for large frame 308 semis or nice glass, preferably 1-8 Atacr with mount or 4-16 with mount. Asking for $2500 shipped for the entire package.
- 22” Bartlein 11.25 twist. Appears to be an M24
-Templar action
-Calvin elite trigger
-Badger M5 bottom metal
- Pillar bedded in a Manners GAT stock with the
Most bitchin paint job you’ve ever seen!
Will trade for large frame 308 semis or nice glass, preferably 1-8 Atacr with mount or 4-16 with mount. Asking for $2500 shipped for the entire package.
SOLD Athlon Midas Tac 4-16x44
- By Aklenk8
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 3 Replies
NIB Athlon Midas Tac 4-16x44. 30mm tube, APRS2 Mil reticle.
$375 $350shipped, insurance on buyer if desired.
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Attachments
SOLD Peterson 6.5 PRC
- By Aklenk8
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 5 Replies
100ct Peterson 6.5 PRC brass. Bulk packaged and unopened.
$120shipped
$120shipped
SOLD MPA scope mount 34mm
- By Aklenk8
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 1 Replies
Used MPA scope mount. 34mm, 0 MOA, 1.125 height. Normal match use with a few scuffs here and there. $150 shipped.
