Hey guys, I’m trying to pick between the following 3 scopes for my SPR build. I’d like something not only capable, but super solid because I’m not that gentle on my gear. Please let me know which you’d run. If you have better options around the $1,500 range, please share.

Vortex Razor HD Gen II 3-18x50

I don’t know about the older generations, but I’ve heard the Razor is solid and the warranty is amazing.

Burris Xtreme Tactical XTR III 5.5-30x56

Family member swears by Burris, but I heard the eye box is small. Doesn’t sound great for a battle rifle, but I don’t know.

Steiner T6Xi 3-18x56mm

Just read a bunch of good reviews that sound great, but by far the most expensive…

Looking for any experience of a Chad tuner brake vs a Botnia Maxi. We are in the process of building a PRS rifle for Tactical class in 308 win for my son, so wanting to get the absolute most effective muzzle brake that we can find. The choice seems to be between the Chad and the Botnia, but I cant find much that compares the two. I watched the X-Ring Youtube video, and his conclusion was that they were very similar, but I would be interested to hear the experience of anyone else that has been able to compare the two.

Looking for mpa brass catcher if you have one laying around.

Hey friends
trying to get a sense for what to expect for the 2025 snipers hide cup and what kind of gun to bring? Seems like a heavy ass gamer gun may not be the move

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Manners t4a in a Remington 700 sa inlet, mini chassis and area 419 arca rail. Not sure on the barrel contour but fits a m24 with some room to spare.

$1100 shipped

Ok, have read the various ways to level scopes posted here.

The fundamental flaw I see as a machinist, is you need to know the bubble level itself is actually level when mounted or the tool you use is actually level

So I have a granite surface plate, its level within .0005 in 10 inches using a Starrett master level

I bought 2 US Optics scope cant levels (which BTW really suck and wont use them), 1 is fixed, the other swings out.

One was close, the other way off. The scope on my rifle was done by a pretty good gunsmith I'm told. He told me to level by the top turret, and thats making an assumption that point is even level. (and reading here says it may not be)

Using top of turret, its not level either (now I havent done the plumb bob verification yet)

So heres my question, I can lay my machinist level across the top of the rail, and level to that, but then thats making an assumption its level to the rail wedges themselves.

Or do I care if they differ, as long as reticle with a plumb bob aligns? And scope mounted bubble level is zero'd as well

TIA

Got a Wilson Combat AR barrel and it scores/scratches the brass on the neck and bit on the shoulder of the fired case upon extraction/ejection. I can chamber and eject lives rounds and it doesn't happen. It's only on fired cases, so it's happening on the way out.

I think the barrel extension lugs are sharp at the 12 oclock. Thinking just using a piece of sand paper with my finger to smooth the back sides of the lugs a bit.

Possibly a better way? Thoughts?

Think of this thread as a petition to manufacturers to show there is serious interest in this type of scope if done right.

First I think we need to define what an MPVO is so we don't confuse this with a crossover scope or a hunting scope et al. The term MPVO is a natural progression of the term LPVO which stands for Low Powered Variable Optic and traditionally the "low" has been referred to as 1x. What are LPVO scopes designed for, by and large, the gas gun platform especially with the AR being America's most popular sporting rifle. But maybe you've discovered that while your beloved 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO is amazing in its own right, it struggles a bit with longer range engagements and PID. You might also have caught on to the trend of piggybacking or offsetting a RDS sight and recognizing the advantages this brings. The MPVO then becomes a natural progression of the LPVO that fills the gap between the LPVO and the Crossover style scope with the "M" standing for "medium" and thus medium powered variable optic and along with a piggyback/offset RDS bridges the gap nicely.

So here are my thoughts on what would make an effective MPVO:

• FFP design with generous FOV (EDIT and adjustable parallax
• Above 1x and no more than 2.5x on the bottom of the magnification range (anything more and we get into the Crossover market)
• At least 10x top magnification
• Lighter weight, preferably under 25oz
• No more than 12" long because this needs to also work for the night hunters using thermal clip-ons
• Low profile exposed turrets (remember we might be piggybacking an RDS and need to be able to see the dot)
• Capped windage
• Given that in general larger objective scopes weigh more, probably keep the objective below 50mm
• Must have a reticle that is usable for fast and close engagements at the bottom of the mag range (think of most LPVO style reticles) but also work at the top mag ranges (so a hybrid of both LPVO and long range FFP reticle).
• EDIT: Excellent illumination would be a plus, center daylight bright.

Why have so many MPVO style scopes failed? Personally I think many of the existing scopes that come close to the above have struggled, not because there is no demand, but because the manufacturers blow it on one of the above criteria. We are finally seeing some movement in this area with the new ZCO 2-10x30, the Leupold Mark 5 2-10x30 (especially with new CMR-Mil reticle), the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42, the March 1.5-15x42 and one of the older designs in the Athlon Helos BTR G2 2-12x42.

Share your thoughts and ideas...

UPDATE 02/20/2025:
Okay, after almost 1 week we have 154 entries into the poll.


For political polls they are often using a sample polling size of about 2000 to 3000 people to represent the 150,000,000 people who vote in our country. Let's take the high number of 3000, that is just 0.00002 of the people represented which if I have my numbers right means the 154 respondents above represent 7,700,000 shooters (that's right, almost 8 million shooters , that is if I did my math correctly which was never my strong suit).

So according to the above numbers, manufacturers take notice, that means that 42% would like to see a 2-12x42 scope that fits the MPVO criteria laid out in the OP above, or put another way, 3,249,400 (three million two hundred and fifty thousand) shooters are interested in an MPVO done right.

Let's be clear once again and I'll start by stating what an MPVO is not, an MPVO IS NOT a crossover scope (though it could be used for crossover applications on a hunting rifle that is also used for long range steel shooting). An MPVO IS the next evolutionary step from an LPVO and is intended first and foremost for the gas gun crowd; therefore, it cannot have a higher bottom magnification than 2.5x (any higher puts it into the crossover category). An MPVO serves as an alternative to the limitations of the LPVO for PID and longer distance engagements while still maintaining a lighter weight, this is a short/compact FFP scope with parallax adjustment, lower profile exposed elevation turret (locking ideal), bright illumination and most importantly a reticle that works for quick engagements at the bottom magnification with a mrad hash option that works at higher magnifications for longer distance engagements.

By the way, this was meant to be somewhat in jest with the above numbers, we understand that polling can be a bit skewed (especially when they focus in the wrong area to represent a fair demographic) but it does help to understand a sampling of interest from a community.

UPDATE 03/03/2025:
Okay, we are just over two weeks into the poll and at 185 total votes; however, with 30 some more votes than last week, we went from 42.2% to 41.6%, so rounding shows we are staying at a steady 42% for the 2-12x42. Hopefully this gives manufacturers something meaningful to chew on and consider. The next higher percentage below is from the "I don't care" crowd who just want something with a better reticle in a FFP scope - something that works well at bottom magnification and at top and the third highest percentage is what I would call a hybrid between a crossover and an MPVO with the 2.5-15x44. Unfortunately, it takes at least a couple years to flush out a design, what we need is a good LOW 2-12x42 design that other manufacturers can OEM and put in their reticles (reticles designed for MPVO/crossover) and their turrets (lower profile).



We are now just over a month in and the numbers are holding pretty steady. We have about 15% increase in votes (from above) but the 2-12x42 remains the top option with the next top being the "just make the reticle right" crowd.

For sale is a Desert Tech SRS A1 with the following accessories and extras.
Really Right Stuff accessory rail, bipod mount and Harris bipod

Short Action Bolt
Long Action 300WSM/7mm WSM Bolt

16" 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel w/ Surefire Muzzle Brake
30" 7mm WSM Barrel w/ Surefire Muzzle Brake from Short Action Customs
1x Barrel Adapter

3x 10rd SA Magazines
1x 5rd SA Magazines
3x 5rd LA Magazines

Redding 7mm WSM Die Kits (#77265 and #38265) has some rust/needs cleaning

120rds Winchester 7mm WSM Factory Ammo
100 pieces Winchester 7mm WSM brass new in package
123 pieces used Winchester 7mm WSM brass

Seekonk Torque wrench w/ Snap On bit for barrel swaps

$5500 for the package. Will part out if there is interest.

Optional Kahles k624i scope with Desert Tech mount, throw lever and level - $2250



Alternatively, I will piece this package out as follows.

Desert Tech SRS A1 chassis with the following accessories and extras. Really Right Stuff accessory rail, bipod mount and Harris bipod and Seekonk Torque Wrench. - $3000

Desert Tech SA Bolt - $300

Desert Tech LA (300WM/7WSM) - $300

30" 7mm WSM Barrel w/ Surefire Muzzle Brake from SAC, 120 Rds Winchester 7mm WSM Factory Ammo, 100 pieces NEW 7mm WSM brass and 123 pieces USED brass. - $1500

29" 6.5" CM Barrel w/ Surefire Muzzle brake from SAC - $850 shipped SOLD

16" 6.5 CM barrel w/ Surefire Muzzle Brake - $700 shipped

DT Barrel Adapter - $200

5rd SA Magazine - $60 each

10rd SA Magazine - $100 each

5rd LA Magazine - $60 each

Redding 7mm WSM Die Kits (#77265 and #38265) has some rust/needs cleaning - $280

Trying to decide between wood and composite. What are some of the negatives with composite?

Well, I'd like to start a thread for people to post in-stock powder when they find it. It only works if people keep participating and everyone stays on topic. The last general reloading in-stock thread died, so I figured I'd start one for powder ONLY. Primers are typically out-of-stock within seconds, and projos are becoming easier to find.

Any experience with the Seekins DMR in 223 Wylde? Been looking at piecing together a 5.56/.223 "precision" build for awhile.

Originally looking at putting a WOA complete upper with their predator 20'" barrel on a LWRC lower with a Larue trigger. That build would come in a couple hundred cheaper than the Seekins but wondering if buying the overall rifle from Seekins would be better for overall tolerances/ready to go out of the box. Thanks!

My CZ457 is experiencing light strikes with this new case of Eley Match. I think Eley might have changes something on new productions, the case head looks noticeable flatter and wider than the old ones.

My question is, to get better ignition, should I get a higher power firing pin spring or the modified firing pin based on y'alls experience?

Thanks!

Was at the rifle range today getting acquainted with my new KRG W3 chassis. While going to check/pull targets I see a guy that I seem to always see, who always has a green AI AT with him. This time I decided to stop and talk with him about his AI, he had nothing but good things to say; absolutely loves it. Buys new / different barrels for it and has been thinning the rifle herd because the barrel change system on it is so easy and reliable. Currently it's wearing a stainless barrel in 6 Creed.

Then he says, go check it out if you want, pick it up, see about it. Which of course I do, and I sit down at his bench to get behind it more or less fondle it. Next as I'm running the bolt he says, he'll why don't you shoot it? I got 5 ready to go right here.

This thing, man, I get it now. The bolt throw, the way it locks up, the way the bolt glides, the trigger. It was incredible, a massive step up from anything I've ever handled, save perhaps a TRG22. Far and away the nicest rifle I've ever actually shot.

I put 4 into a 1" circle at 200 yards, with someone else's rifle, someone else's scope, shooting with my wrong hand, with no rear bag. The gun just...lasered em out there.

So, I get it now. I've experienced how "the other half live" and experienced first hand part of the premium AI commands.

Just thought I would share my recent project that I've been working on.

I've had this rifle for quite some time now and when the barrel finally gave up I felt like I wanted to do something different. I've recently started competing in some PRS matches and thought it might be fun to see what I could do with my gas gun, so I decided to go with 6GT for my cartridge choice.

The rifle started life as an Armalite AR-10T with a 24" kreiger barrel. And no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't get the performance out of it that I felt like it was capable of. And for that reason I've been on this mission to make this thing shoot the way I think it should. So starting with the barrel, I ordered a Bartlein blank and a Lija barrel extension. I took the time to smooth and polish the extension and then took everything to my well trusted friend and gunsmith (as I don't have my own lathe yet) to get cut and chambered. We had decided to go with a 24" length and turned the shoulder for the gas block to rifle+1. I was beyond happy with the job. But, one thing we found along the way that wasn't until about 100 rounds went through was that with the eld-m's I had no problem chambering and cycling, but when my big lot of bergers came in they would refuse to feed.
The culprit turned out to be the bevel around the back of the chamber. It was a standard bevel nothing really wrong except what would happen is the red tips of the eld's would deflect just enough to help it kick itself into the chamber. Once I started loading the solid tipped bergers they would stop dead in their tracks straight into the back of the barrel just below the bevel. We took it back off and reprofiled the bevel and problem solved.

As much as I love my Armalite, it is painful to try and find compatible parts at times. But I did manage to find a barrel nut and handguard that I liked and would work from Odin Works. I also ordered an Area 419 arca rail for the bottom of the handguard which I have been very happy with.
Other upgrades on the list are:
SJC Titan muzzle brake
Odin Works adjustable gas block
Odin Works adjustable buffer
Ambidextrous safety
Radian raptor charging handle
Magpul PRS gen 3 stock
Ergo vertical super grip
And a tract toric scope and mount
I'm currently still running the factory match trigger that I spent a fair amount of time smoothing and tuning, but I think it's going to be replaced soon with a TT diamond.
And then full Cerakote that we did in house

I'm currently working on load development with 109 bergers and varget, CCI 450, and I have alpha brass but I have not started using it yet.
I know I'm missing a bunch of things but I'll try to keep it updated if anyone is interested.
I have many more photos of the process and project that I'll continue to add.
Thanks

Selling my Seekins SP10 22" 6.5CM for 2500 shipped to FFL. Paypal F&F preferred.

Has a Geissele SSA-E X Lightning Bow trigger, LMT AR-10 Buffer Tube Kit, B5 Precision Stock, and MDT Elite Grip. Has a rattle can paint job. It has about 1k rounds through it.

Does not come with muzzle device or arca rail. Optic, mount, and bipod not for sale. I will take some better pictures soon.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for looking!

I have a set of R3D carbon fiber triple pull legs, it has PRSS MFG rubber over mold feet on. They are epoxied on over the leg letting the legs fully collapse. One range session on them. They will come with a spare set of overmold rubber feet.

$300 shipped

Curtis/ MPA barreled action
-22 dasher, chambered by Patriot Valley Arms
-1.250 straight, raw finish, 26 inch, 5/8x24 muzzle
-roughly 400 rounds down it.
- Comes with a 2nd brand new spare matching barrel in 22 dasher chambered by patriot valley

Was a back up rifle
Chassis, trigger and brake not included.

I can get you more pictures if you are interested, it’s just easier to store I’m my safe if I keep it all together

$1700 shipped to your FFL

Trades welcome, partial plus cash on either side:
Actions:
Impact 737r SA
Defiance ruckus tactical SA
Bat ELR actions, or other brand ELR action
Bullets:
25cal 135 Berger hybrids
6mm 109 Berger hybrids
Binos:
Sig 10k gen2 (I have gen 1 already)
Scope:
ZCO 527 or 840

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For sale a 34mm, used, Desert Tech scope mount with 40 MOA cant.

2 screws are missing from the rings, blame the kids who decided to throw a pillow at the table... can't find the screws anywhere!

$175 shipped to your awesome door

$135 shipped
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$60 shipped