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Full Length Sizing. Tell Me They're Wrong.

1J04

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    It's a year old vid, but 1st time I've seen it. Erik is a pretty cool dude. Literally, straight shooter. ;)

    Do what you want, but from what I've seen for 'many' years, most people come back around after their foolish forays and get back to FL sizing.

    Unleash the flame Thrower's! 😂



     
    I tend to prefer fully-semi-automatic, full length, neck sizing on my straight walled cases.

    On my custom chambers, I squeeze the neck area with the Craftsman Robo grips. Not much though, just enough to keep the bullet from sliding down the neck.


    In all seriousness, the only thing I neck size now is the 6 PPC. That's cause I'm too cheap to buy a new Redding FL bushing die for it.
     
    Neck sizing doesn’t work the brass, like full length resizing does, especially with the belted magnums.

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    I full length size... tends to require swallowing a pill, but once that kicks in... full length. Not much length, but full.
     
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    So what? The way most people load belted magnums the primer pockets give out before the case body does.
    Well i cant speak for most people, nor will i try, I’ve gotten multiple loads out of my Remington brass. And they are still in great shape, the primer pockets are still tight.
     
    Well i cant speak for most people, nor will i try, I’ve gotten multiple loads out of my Remington brass. And they are still in great shape, the primer pockets are still tight.
    So you are making me ask, have you ever full length resized and therefore have the experience that shows your brass doesn’t last as long being full length resized? Or are you just using the standard line the neck sizer guys always use to justify their choice?

    These are serious questions, not just more bait. The classic line is just as you stated, “Neck sizing doesn’t work the brass as much as full length resizing does.” I don’t think that anyone sensible would argue with the statement, but the response is still, “So what?”

    I have yet to see a single study that shows that neck sized brass lasts longer than full-length resized brass. I have however seen the results myself that full length resizing provides more consistency in the loading process and therefore more consistent results with lower ES and SD numbers.

    I have some Norma .260 brass I acquired by buying a few cases of the early Prime loaded product. (Edit: It was 400 pieces, but losses at matches have dwindled that number to just over 250 pieces now) I have since loaded each of those cases over 12 times without a single failure and the primer pockets are still tight. As soon as I get a new .260 barrel on there, I’ll use them again until the first failures. Then I’ll scrap the lot. The point is that I’m getting plenty of brass life out of my brass while full length sizing every time. I also get more consistent results than when I first tried neck sizing (it was a fad for a while, started mostly by BR guys that often loaded right at the bench while shooting).
     
    Well i cant speak for most people, nor will i try, I’ve gotten multiple loads out of my Remington brass. And they are still in great shape, the primer pockets are still tight.
    Shoot more and youll realize that brass life and the number of firings is not a benefit of neck sizing. In fact there really arent any benefits to neck sizing other than laziness/time expenditures.
     
    So you are making me ask, have you ever full length resized and therefore have the experience that shows your brass doesn’t last as long being full length resized? Or are you just using the standard line the neck sizer guys always use to justify their choice?

    These are serious questions, not just more bait. The classic line is just as you stated, “Neck sizing doesn’t work the brass as much as full length resizing does.” I don’t think that anyone sensible would argue with the statement, but the response is still, “So what?”

    I have yet to see a single study that shows that neck sized brass lasts longer than full-length resized brass. I have however seen the results myself that full length resizing provides more consistency in the loading process and therefore more consistent results with lower ES and SD numbers.

    I have some Norma .260 brass I acquired by buying a few cases of the early Prime loaded product. (Edit: It was 400 pieces, but losses at matches have dwindled that number to just over 250 pieces now) I have since loaded each of those cases over 12 times without a single failure and the primer pockets are still tight. As soon as I get a new .260 barrel on there, I’ll use them again until the first failures. Then I’ll scrap the lot. The point is that I’m getting plenty of brass life out of my brass while full length sizing every time. I also get more consistent results than when I first tried neck sizing (it was a fad for a while, started mostly by BR guys that often loaded right at the bench while shooting).

    To answer your question, yes I have full length resized many times and many different caliber’s under the following conditions
    1, brand new brass regardless of the brand or caliber
    2, once fired brass
    3, when needed
     
    I know one time I had a piece of brass only last to the 6th firing. I was neck sizing and resizing "as needed" in a 7mmrm. Sized it, fired it, N/S, fired, N/S, fired, resized, fired, N/S, fired, N/S ( no stickiness), fired, hammered it out of my bore with a cleaning rod after spending 40 minutes trying to extract the case, bought a new barrel and never N/S again.
     
    The greatest benefit of neck sizing especially if with a lee collet is time savings.
    One stroke of the press,,,,POOF!
    Brass is ready to be primed and get powder and bullet.
    No lube to apply or be taken off.
    I neck size a lot for my 260, no real negatives for the distances it shoots now.
    I FL size all my 7 saum ammo for ELR.

    Would I neck size for hunting or competition?
    No
     
    I know one time I had a piece of brass only last to the 6th firing. I was neck sizing and resizing "as needed" in a 7mmrm. Sized it, fired it, N/S, fired, N/S, fired, resized, fired, N/S, fired, N/S ( no stickiness), fired, hammered it out of my bore with a cleaning rod after spending 40 minutes trying to extract the case, bought a new barrel and never N/S again.
    That failure was from you being ignorant of its limitations.
    No fault of the method.
     
    They are all lying to you @1J04 they are saying FL size is the way to go to hold an edge over the competition that isn't neck sizing.
    Don't believe the bullshit. 😉
     
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    It's a year old vid, but 1st time I've seen it.

    I can't believe you missed the attempted lynching of Erik! Or rather 'multiple attempted lynchings' over this video. LOL
     
    I'm old timer and I don't give a damn. :) the dude had me until he used the word "node" in a different video explaining how to chase the lands without having to say "chase the lands." The fucking "harmonics" are driving deaf. Especially, since the "Bad Motherfucker" brake has taken over the market. Can a Dago get a Large Rifle Primer or a lap dance around here?
     
    I'm old timer and I don't give a damn. :) the dude had me until he used the word "node" in a different video explaining how to chase the lands without having to say "chase the lands." The fucking "harmonics" are driving deaf. Especially, since the "Bad Motherfucker" brake has taken over the market. Can a Dago get a Large Rifle Primer or a lap dance around here?
     
    I knew this would be not only informational, but fun as well, and I haven't been let down.

    Here's what sparked this little gem. A friend of a friend and I shared some time together recently. My buddy that I reload for brought that fact up. His friend, which I know of but don't associate with, began espousing his couple years of reloading prowess. Oh, he had a few terms correct here and there and actually dotted a few "I's" and crossed a few "T's". But I know him as being full of shit, hence I steer clear of him.

    The mouth at one point asked me if I Neck Size or FL Size. Told him I've ONLY FL Sized since I started in the late 70's. I've only heard of the issues you can have going another route, I haven't experienced it, and really never wanted to, and still don't.

    We all know there's a number of ways to skin this cat regarding reloading. I tend to stick to the KISS method. Seems to work and for me, it's been enjoyably uneventful. ;)

    So I told him to look into what "Those Guy's" do. You know, the 'current' best of the best. I decided to take my own advice and found that gem of a video by Erik. Found it gratifying to hear the short, to the point responses, and thought I'd share it to remind us of the basics, and to inform those new to the game that it doesn't have to be hard. Keep it simple and stick to the basics and go from there.

    We've got a ton of new people coming here, and yes, it does get taxing going down the same roads over and over even with the excellent stickies we have regarding reloading steps. So just a bit of proof positive information, again, to show keeping it simple does have it's advantages.

    Carry on. :giggle:
     
    OK, I'm going to bite on this thread and ask a simple question at the risk of receiving a boatload of crap. I'm trying get a perspective on this issue. Let me see if I have this straight.

    A bunch of talented shooters using custom rifles with custom cut chambers loaded with what would be considered hot loads recommend Full Length Resizing using custom dies machined to nearly match their chambers?
     
    OK, I'm going to bite on this thread and ask a simple question at the risk of receiving a boatload of crap. I'm trying get a perspective on this issue. Let me see if I have this straight.

    A bunch of talented shooters using custom rifles with custom cut chambers loaded with what would be considered hot loads recommend Full Length Resizing using custom dies machined to nearly match their chambers?

    Several of them using Redding dies. Many of them not running hot.
     
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    It would certainly depend on the rifle and the competition, but I would guess very few are hot loading. I HAVE found accurate spots north of the published tables with no signs of pressure, but they would be the exception and not the rule, and to me they seem generally harder to tune with seating depth.

    To me there is really no reason to ever try and squeeze more than average performance out of a cartridge. I'm looking for precision, not power, and I'm pretty sure all those guys are too.
     
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    OK, I'm going to bite on this thread and ask a simple question at the risk of receiving a boatload of crap. I'm trying get a perspective on this issue. Let me see if I have this straight.

    A bunch of talented shooters using custom rifles with custom cut chambers loaded with what would be considered hot loads recommend Full Length Resizing using custom dies machined to nearly match their chambers?

    You don't have it straight. You have it very queer at best.
     
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    We all have neck sizing dies when it was all the rage. I keep them in the locker with my Randall knives.
     
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