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Rifle Scopes Valdada Recon G2 ***Tracking & Reliability Update Part 2***

Konarex

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I recently picked up a Valdada Recon G2 4.8-30x56 and I have to say that so far I am impressed. We can all read about the scope’s spec on the internet. I am going to try to describe my experience with the scope.

My first impression when I opened the box was that the scope was HUGE. It makes my other scopes look delicate. Turns out that the 40mm main tube made the scope look larger than it really is. It was actually more compact than my Vortex Razor Gen II.

The glass is VERY clear. The picture was warm like the European scopes. Edge to edge clarity is great with no tunneling, greying on the edge or aberrancy that I could see throughout the magnification range. I own Vortex Gen II Razors, Schmidt Bender PM II, Leupold Mark 5, Bushnell HDMR and have access to NIghtforce ATACR and USO B 25 series scopes. I found to my eyes that the scope was as clear as my Schmidt and Bender. I focused all of the scopes mentioned above on a tree 200 yards from my house and asked my wife and her friends to choose the scope with the best picture. Interestingly they all chose the Valdada as the brightest/most clear followed by the Schmidt. The group was split with Nightforce and Leupold being third. . I know… scientific test right? I figured that the opinions of people with no bias might be interesting. We found that we could resolve a group of ants crawling on the trunk of the tree with the Valdada. It’s possible that the additional magnification, 30 vs 25 power, gave it the advantage over the Schmidt, Nightforce and Leupold. The reticle sub tensions are thinner than the previous model Recon. They are thick enough to be picked up rapidly with the eye but thin enough for precise aiming. The reticle is well thought out but I prefer the hold overs of the Vortex EBR-2C and Leupold’s CCH reticle.

The turrets are just about the perfect size and have a great feel and sound to them. They remind me of the turrets that Nightforce produces. What I like about them over the Schmidt and Bender that is my go to scope is that it is very easy to see, feel and hear how much the turret has moved. Those of you that have used scope with small turrets know that sometimes it can be difficult to see the value dialed. The Valdada turrets are very easy to see the dial. One of the complaints that I have read about the earlier IOR/Valdada models was that it was too easy to spin the turret and that they had a tendency to accidentally get moved. I believe that has been fixed on the G2. The turret has to be turned with purpose.

I have read on the Hide that IOR/Valdada scopes have great glass but suffer from mechanical/tracking issues. Time will tell if the scope is durable but I found it to track extremely well when I ran it through three tall target tests. The test was run at 104 yards. My bullets impacted 3.76” per mil dialed. Assuming that 1 mil at 100 yards is 3.59”. One mil at 104 yards should be 3.74”. My field results indicated that my scope tracked within 0.5% of a mil from zero to 12 mils and were repeatable with all three trials. I understand the limitations of a field test without calibrated testing equipment and can only compare these result to scope tested under similar conditions. However to put it in perspective I ran the same test, three times, on a new Leupold Mark 5 and found the error varied from 2% to 11% between zero and 10 mils and it didn’t return to zero.

So far I am very pleased with the Recon G2 scope . Time will tell if it is durable. I plan on using it for the remainder of the match season and will update this post after a few matches of abuse….I mean use.

David
 
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Nice write up only thing I will say is out of fairness and for the sake of truly trying to compare apples to apples on the glass maybe they should have all been set to the highest power of the lowest power scope another words 25x if one scope is at 25x and then the other is at 30x that extra magnification may make the 30x appear clearer and brighter. Congrats on your new scope keep us updated on tracking and real world use.
 
Thanks for the write-up David! The Valdada's are always one scope that have interested the crap out of me, but I've never been able to pull the trigger (so to speak) for one reason or another.
 
Nice write up only thing I will say is out of fairness and for the sake of truly trying to compare apples to apples on the glass maybe they should have all been set to the highest power of the lowest power scope another words 25x if one scope is at 25x and then the other is at 30x that extra magnification may make the 30x appear clearer and brighter. Congrats on your new scope keep us updated on tracking and real world use.

Optical performance (resolution and light transmission) decreases with magnification. I've never experienced a scope that resolved better or got brighter at full magnification than at 80% of full magnification.
 
Optical performance (resolution and light transmission) decreases with magnification. I've never experienced a scope that resolved better or got brighter at full magnification than at 80% of full magnification.
At low light conditions I would agree with you 100%, but during bright sunlight/middle of the day conditions more magnification may appear like a clearer image to just a random person.
 
Optical performance (resolution and light transmission) decreases with magnification. I've never experienced a scope that resolved better or got brighter at full magnification than at 80% of full magnification.

What he said.

Great info. Looking forward to following this.
 
If anyone is interested in purchasing the new Recon G2 in Mil, I can save you some money off retail and 40mm rings come at no extra charge, free shipping and no tax. I get dealer pricing from Val, so hit me up if you are interested. Please PM me for further details. Also, the MOA scopes will be out later part of November or December. In addition Val has contracted with Tenabrex and the scope caps will be available in a couple of months.
 
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Every new rifle I get comes into the house in a old rifle case usualy on a day when she knows I have been to the range. It goes like this.....

Her..."Hey babe did you have a good day shooting today?"
Me...."Yea it was great I shot pretty good today"
Her..."Thats great you need any help getting your stuff out the truck?"
Me..."No thanks babe I got it...I am going to put my rifles back in the safe.......Hey where do you want me to take you for dinner tonight?".........ha ha I feel guilty for about 5 minutes then the thought of my new rifle in the safe makes me feel better.....lol
 
There is a tremendous amount of knowledge and experience represented by the members of the Hide and it seems to me that the reviews of IOR Valdada Optics characterize the scopes as having great glass but poor mechanicals. To summarize my experience so far, "Great glass, perfect mechanicals".

I have had the opportunity to train and compete with this scope and I have to say it is my favorite scope to date. The Valdada Recon G2 has exceeded my expectations. It has held a zero and tracked perfectly for more than 500 rounds and thousands of miles of travel. I zeroed my rifle in Bend, Oregon where I spent a day training prior to the Hawkins Precision match in New Mexico. The scope held it's zero as it travelled from Bend to Eugene Oregon, a flight to Denver Colorado, more than 900 miles of driving in the bed of a pickup on the highway, chip seal and dirt, and finally a return flight to Eugene. The scope was not babied. United Airlines handled my rifle case roughly enough to break the wheel off of my Hardigg Storm Case. The Recon G2 has proven itself to be reliable and repeatable. The scope maintained zero even after all of that travel and abuse. None of my other scopes have ever traveled as well.

The Recon G2 tracking was repeatable about as perfectly as anyone could ask. I was only 0.2 mil low at 1838 yards and there are way too many variables to say that it was error in the scope that caused the miss. Any error noted in my initial review was found to be inconsequential. The turrets tracked evenly from 0-18 mil and easily trued up to my data.

The MP-8 reticle worked very well. The only thing I would change is the gap from the center dot to the first sub tension - it seems to be a bit long. I spent a lot of time at the match holding 0.2-0.3 mil wind holds. I found my point of aim was frequently floating in empty space. The gap from the dot to the first line is 0.5 mil. Line thickness was perfect, I found it easy see through the reticle to find targets and impacts and then change focus on the reticle to aim.

I have back to back matches in last week of September and first week of October. I will write another update in a month after the travel, shoot, travel, repeat. Overall, I am very impressed with this scope and will replace my PM II with another as soon as I can afford it. Fortunately we have the Hide to sell used scopes.
 
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Since Recon G2 is built in Japan, rather than Romania, the prior track record of IOR scopes is pretty much not relevant to the G2.

It will be interesting to see how it does. If I were a betting man, I would expect this to be a version of the same basic design that is used in the 4.5-30x56 Delta Stryker and Trijicon, Athlon Cronus, etc.

However, there are some spec differences that look odd to me.

Konarex, is there any way you could measure the FOV at 30x, I have a suspicion that the listed value might be incorrect.

The scope is listed as 4.8-30x, which means 6.25x erector ratio. The listed FOV ratio between low and high mag is 4.7x. Either the mag range is not what it is stated to be, or there is significant tunneling, or the FOV numbers are off.

If I were to make a guess, there is a typo in the FOV at 30x specification.

Thanks
ILya
 
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It's my understanding that the scopes are made by the same manufacturer that builds the Nightforce NXS line in Japan.

The FOV at 30x is ~12.4 mil edge to edge (~6.2 mil either side of the center dot) and huge at 4.8x. I would have to measure it at a known distance. I can't see any tunneling throughout then magnification range. Its definitely not like my PM II.

Hope that helps.
 
Thank you.

That translates to ~3.7 feet at 100 yards which is pretty much the same as the 4.5-30x56 Delta Stryker and Trijicon Accupower and scales nicely with Cronus FOV at 29x.

Chances are it is a related design, which is generally a good thing. My Stryker HD is an excellent scope that has been holding up very nicely and Athlon Cronus BTR is doing very well too.

Now, I am sorta reading tea leaves here, but FOV specs are usually very telling, especially since we see this LOW design offered by many people.

If my guess is correct, it comes down to whether Recon G2's 40mm tube is worth a more than $1k premium over Delta and Athlon.

ILya
 
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Konarex, please keep this updated. Valada had/has a rep. it deserved. If there is a significant change, it is certainly worth knowing.
 
I have used the Valdada Recon G2 for eight months. The scope has endured, eight PRS/NRL matches, thousands of rounds. thousands of miles of travel by air and truck/car and many hours of practice. I am still impressed by this scope. I set the zero back in July and haven't touched it since. I cannot believe that through all of the travel and abuse I have put it through, including a friend sitting on it, that it never lost it's zero. The scope has worn well. It is as bright and clear as the day I unboxed it. The magnification ring and turrets are still smooth. I notice that a tiny amount of play has developed at the zero detent. I don't think anyone would notice it unless they used the scope since new and i think it was caused by returning to the same detent on the turret thousands of times. I guess it is a consequence of not changing my zero.

Things I like about the scope:
Image clarity. Aside from the Tangent Theta that i had a chance to use at the TBRC match it is the best glass I have used.
The scope is bright. I didn't notice how much brighter it was than my other scopes until I was training at dusk on a foggy day. I had a hard time finding targets with my HDMR on my trainer. Finding the same targets on the same day with the G2 was no problem.
The scope has proven to me to be the most durable scope I have used to date.
I love the way the turrets feel. I think the turret has the perfect resistance and tactility. The turrets remind me of turrets on the NIghtforce NXS and ATACR.
I like the line thickness of the reticle and the center dot. Not to thick, not to thin.

Things I would change:
I would prefer a different reticle. As simple as the reticle looks I found that it is not as intuitive as other tree reticles like the Vortex EBR2c. Sub tensions at 2.5 mil increments caused me to have to count lines to find my hold over points.

I have read several people comparing the G2 to scopes by Athlon and Delta. I had the opportunity to compare the G2 to the Delta Stryker at TBRC and the Athlon at the finale. Those scope are very nice but to my eyes they do not compare to the G2's image quality, clarity and brightness. I also prefer the turrets on the G2.

I love the hide for the wealth of knowledge and experience that the members bring to the forum. It never ceases to amaze me that, when talking about IOR/Valdada optics, conversations between grown men can devolve into name calling and shaming. My experience with the G2 has been great, your mileage may vary. It seems to me that many of us have forgotten that a lot of companies have had rough starts or may not be as good as they used to be. 10 years ago I would not have purchased a Bushnell scope nowI own two. I have a Leopold Mark 4 from 1998. It has been an outstanding scope. I also have a Mark 5 from 2018 that failed to track the very first time I used it, a mark 8 whose windage turret failed at the Gap Grind and a VX3 with a finger print on the reticle. I also own a Schmidt and Bender, a company revered for it's durability, whose zero changes when I adjust the parallax. Go figure.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a G2. When I can afford another I will buy a second. If they change the reticle I will buy one sooner.

David
 
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Generally, when talking shit about some other scope, Paul should have the cojones to say what that scope is.

As far as G2 goes, since it is made by LOW, it will likely not have the same quality problems as some of the IOR made stuff does. The basic problem is that it will take a LOT to overcome the bad reputation Valdada has.

Everything that Paul says about the glass itself can be easily ignored. He has no idea what he is talking about when he starts talking about glass polishing and all that. Now, I am not saying that he is lying. He is simply out of his depth on that.

I do not doubt that he is a good shot and all that.

The basic problem for me is that I used to test and occasionally recommend IOR Valdada scopes and I got burned because they were inconsistent, so I can't make recommendations based on a sample of one that I test.

Having gotten burned on that (and there were a few other issues where it turned out that Val wanted a quid pro quo arrangement to guarantee a good review), it will be years before I spend any time on anything with Valdada name on it or trust a review of someone who has a vested interest in the scope.

Now the scope may be very good for all I know, but having Val behind it does not do the product any favors.

ILya
 
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If anyone is interested in purchasing the new Recon G2 in Mil, I can save you some money off retail and 40mm rings come at no extra charge, free shipping and no tax. I get dealer pricing from Val, so hit me up if you are interested. Please PM me for further details. Also, the MOA scopes will be out later part of November or December. In addition Val has contracted with Tenabrex and the scope caps will be available in a couple of months.
Are you still getting deals on these?
 
Is this still available? I feel like I showed up to buy popcorn and the theater is still closed.
 
Generally, when talking shit about some other scope, Paul should have the cojones to say what that scope is.

As far as G2 goes, since it is made by LOW, it will likely not have the same quality problems as some of the IOR made stuff does. The basic problem is that it will take a LOT to overcome the bad reputation Valdada has.

Everything that Paul says about the glass itself can be easily ignored. He has no idea what he is talking about when he starts talking about glass polishing and all that. Now, I am not saying that he is lying. He is simply out of his depth on that.

I do not doubt that he is a good shot and all that.

The basic problem for me is that I used to test and occasionally recommend IOR Valdada scopes and I got burned because they were inconsistent, so I can't make recommendations based on a sample of one that I test.

Having gotten burned on that (and there were a few other issues where it turned out that Val wanted a quid pro quo arrangement to guarantee a good review), it will be years before I spend any time on anything with Valdada name on it or trust a review of someone who has a vested interest in the scope.

Now the scope may be very good for all I know, but having Val behind it does not do the product any favors.

ILya
I have the Delta Stryker Gen 2 and The Athlon Cronus BTR . I can see the impact splash and coyote steel target moving at 850yds with both these scopes. Are you saying the glass in this Gen 2 isn't any better ?
 
If I run out of ammo I can beat things and spear shark's with my gen 1 recon I.O.R., its just that tacticool.