Oh the stories, I’d still rather be tazed than pepper sprayed. LOL
That chick was bat shit crazy. Cops performed flawlessly. Have to admit kind of had to laugh an little when she went flat and smacked the clothes rack.
You’d still hit it thoughThat’s a big woman!
She goes right out.
All day!You’d still hit it though
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That mall cop in atl was always getting in some shit back in the day lol
You have to give them a chance to process.. especially if using lethal force. That cop in Fort Worth yelled "drop the gun" and shot her through the window about .15 seconds later.If you're being repetitive, it does very little without a consequence tied in.
Yeah, but you would have tapped that ass.That’s a big woman!
Same here, same here.............Oh the stories, I’d still rather be tazed than pepper sprayed. LOL
Is it me, or do her legs look disproportionately skinny relative to her upper body?
Is it me, or do her legs look disproportionately skinny relative to her upper body?
They're the special forces of the retail industry.That mall cop in atl was always getting in some shit back in the day lol
He might not have used leaps, but at least he didn't make the news for shooting a clearly either mentally ill and that includes drug induced phycosis women. He had the presents of mind to switch to a less lethal weapon and subdued the women. Gets an A in my book.I disagree, slightly. He did well, kept his cool and was firm. Check. However, he was very repetitive. There was command, but no consequence. Ex: Drop the knife, or you'll be shot. You gotta have command with a consequence.
There's other methods to use as well. We call it LEAPS. Listen, Empathize, Ask, Paraphrase & Summarize. It could've gone: Why are you do you have a knife out? What are you trying to do? Why are you holding the knife? Get them to talk, if they have the mental capacity to do so. Then, command & consequence. Drop the knife or you may be shot. If you're being repetitive, it does very little without a consequence tied in.
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Come on man...In that first one the cop is an escalating douchebag. What he did was perfectly legal, but it shows a that he has terrible judgement and he couldn't have a worse temperament for the job. Those are the "officers" who are not actually "officers" but rule follower/orders takers, and have no business in the job. This is the kind of cop would would gladly come to your house, demand all your guns, and murder your family when you told him to fuckoff, and he would feel righteous doing it.
Totally lost his cool with an old lady and escalated because he's a tiny dick douchebag. I would hate to see how that faggot did in an actual city with actual crime and actually dangerous people. He would last about ten minutes against anyone but a grandmother. Classic bully with a badge.
Yes, the old lady was dumb as fuck and should not have argued, but where he took it shows he isn't fit for service. Some people aren't. I'd kick his ass off the force immediately.
In that first one the cop is an escalating douchebag. What he did was perfectly legal, but it shows a that he has terrible judgement and he couldn't have a worse temperament for the job. Those are the "officers" who are not actually "officers" but rule follower/orders takers, and have no business in the job. This is the kind of cop would would gladly come to your house, demand all your guns, and murder your family when you told him to fuckoff, and he would feel righteous doing it.
Totally lost his cool with an old lady and escalated because he's a tiny dick douchebag. I would hate to see how that faggot did in an actual city with actual crime and actually dangerous people. He would last about ten minutes against anyone but a grandmother. Classic bully with a badge.
Yes, the old lady was dumb as fuck and should not have argued, but where he took it shows he isn't fit for service. Some people aren't. I'd kick his ass off the force immediately.
He might not have used leaps, but at least he didn't make the news for shooting a clearly either mentally ill and that includes drug induced phycosis women. He had the presents of mind to switch to a less lethal weapon and subdued the women. Gets an A in my book.
Had to watch this during arrest training class. Officer gets stuck in verbal loop. Suspect, "you fucking hammered me"
Okay that is valid. Any videos of you in this situation that could show us the proper techniques and vocabulary to use? Just wondering you are basing your "grade" on experience or opinion.He get a C from me
Going to non lethal should be expected in a situation like that
Having only like 10 words in his lexicon tool belt to use, frankly for how she wasn’t advancing and the situation I’d think a slightly higher intellect could have descalated the whole thing a fair bit. Also handcuffing her in her backpack that was who knows what in it, seemed like a pull the bag off before cuffs might have been a obvious choice.
But for where police have ended up over the years, no mag dumping, no randoms killed, no coverups, not violating rights left and right, in 2022 I guess they’d would be considered a A
Also kinda reminded me of
He might not have used leaps, but at least he didn't make the news for shooting a clearly either mentally ill and that includes drug induced phycosis women. He had the presents of mind to switch to a less lethal weapon and subdued the women. Gets an A in my book.
Okay that is valid. Any videos of you in this situation that could show us the proper techniques and vocabulary to use? Just wondering you are basing your "grade" on experience or opinion.
Haha that was an epic response.
As a fellow LEO, he could’ve brought it down a notch and got her to talk. 1) She wasn’t advancing forward. 2) No lethal intent towards others...yet. and 3) Didn't appear to be overly hostile to the officer or others nearby. He needed to use more than "Drop the knife" in his vocabulary. Again, goes back to asking questions. "Ma'am/lady, why are you holding that knife? Put the knife down and talk to me. You may be shot if you don't put the knife down" That gives the subject an opportunity to think of their next decision. I've had to draw my sidearm 4 times when dealing with narcos. So, I've been in that circumstance. Props to him for switching to less than lethal, that was his saving grace! He didn't sweep her grab area after the cuffs went on though. Back of the hand and sweep her lower back for other items. This bodycam and/or after action report would be excellent for training. Don't be too repetitive, give them a consequence of serious bodily harm if they don't comply and ask them questions to deescalate it, if they have the mental faculty to do so.
Good thing she fell backwards...that would have been some mass going forward.
Marion County has the best PD videos - they had the one with the police K9 that wouldn't let go of the suspects nuts too.
And the best police cars: (Hellcats)
They both must have had mad cow disease. I think I even saw her scrap the dirt toOkay that is valid. Any videos of you in this situation that could show us the proper techniques and vocabulary to use? Just wondering you are basing your "grade" on experience or opinion.
Haha that was an epic response.
See that explanation makes sense. But what if a lady is mentally incapable of responding or maybe a newer officer? Would his action been acceptable under those circumstances? Asking since you are a LEO.As a fellow LEO, he could’ve brought it down a notch and got her to talk. 1) She wasn’t advancing forward. 2) No lethal intent towards others...yet. and 3) Didn't appear to be overly hostile to the officer or others nearby. He needed to use more than "Drop the knife" in his vocabulary. Again, goes back to asking questions. "Ma'am/lady, why are you holding that knife? Put the knife down and talk to me. You may be shot if you don't put the knife down" That gives the subject an opportunity to think of their next decision. I've had to draw my sidearm 4 times when dealing with narcos. So, I've been in that circumstance. Props to him for switching to less than lethal, that was his saving grace! This bodycam and/or after action report would be excellent for training. Don't be too repetitive, give them a consequence of serious bodily harm if they don't comply and ask them questions to deescalate it, if they have the mental faculty to do so.
I’m not a cop, but in a more dangerous job, as other have posted, “why do you have the knife” “what’s wrong” just making dialog like…. a human, not saying the cop should have disarmed himself, not remotely, low ready all day, but in that situation trying to talk to the person vs bark the same words like a robot, might have had a less violent outcome, now if she advances or something by all means light her up, but just saying the same few words over and over, frankly might as well replace police with these.
They both must have had mad cow disease. I think I even saw her scrap the dirt to
See that explanation makes sense. But what if a lady is mentally incapable of responding or maybe a newer officer? Would his action been acceptable under those circumstances? Asking since you are a LEO.
Don't you about everyone's up bringing. But it is clear when a cop is point his weapon at me and telling me specfic command that I need to comply. Low ready or pointed at my face. Seems to me making dialog to complicated can backfire. Thanks for the cops who are willing to do this job and be Monday quarterbacked, by many. Seems like many civilians common sense or it maybeba sense of entitlement that makes them think you can brandish a weapon in a privately owned store and the officer has to have an depth conversation with you to get you to comply with a simple command. Not sure where this mentality comes from.
This is fairly subjective to everyone or unit SOP’s. But, If your subject is mentally incapable of understanding what you’re saying: 1) have a partner or request backup. 2) if the subject is not showing signs of immediate danger to self or others, make yourself less intimidating. Holster your primary weapon(or switch to non-lethal) change tone of voice, lower your weapon and change your posture; understanding basic psychology can be very important in dealing with mentally unstable subjects. Don’t make them feel threatened and they *normally* won’t react in a threatening manner, but maintain safe distance for the reactionary gap(About 20+/- ft).See that explanation makes sense. But what if a lady is mentally incapable of responding or maybe a newer officer? Would his action been acceptable under those circumstances? Asking since you are a LEO.
This is fairly subjective to everyone or unit SOP’s. But, If your subject is mentally incapable of understanding what you’re saying: 1) have a partner or request backup. 2) if the subject is not showing signs of immediate danger to self or others, make yourself less intimidating. Holster your primary weapon(or switch to non-lethal) change tone of voice, lower your weapon and change your posture; understanding basic psychology can be very important in dealing with mentally unstable subjects. Don’t make them feel threatened and they *normally* won’t react in a threatening manner, but maintain safe distance for the reactionary gap(About 20+/- ft).
If subjects mental faculties aren’t firing on all cylinders and if they don’t have a weapon, then go hands on after deescalation measures. However, if a weapon is present(as was the case with Walmart lady), deescalate first(which he didn’t do very well), bring subjects elevated state down and proceed with SOP’s. Which the officer did by switching from primary to secondary/less than lethal.
It all comes down to quality of training and understanding of human psychology. If the situation warrants it, don’t become threatening by immediately drawing your primary weapon. Use other tools of the trade. Communicate. Deescalate. Immediately drawing your weapon can often escalate or accelerate the scenario, depending on the subject. Its all based on your size up and situation present.
Yeah but what if he has a toy truck?