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Farmland is privately owned but those “private” farmers sold their soul to the devil, John Deere equipment with proprietary software they lease, and GMO seeds they cannot re-use. The fanasty you have for farmers and Russia/Putin are one in the same. I still can believe how many people love Russia and hate their own country. You may not like what Americans and government officials say but to wish it all comes crashing down because their ideas offend you is pathetic. In a Geopolitical world you sould not covet your enemy.
My point has nothing to do with soil maintanence and everything to do individual property rights. If you bought it, inherited it, won it at a poker table, or whatever it is yours to do what you see fit with.
The fact that you openly agree with the government mandating anyone do anything is worrisome.
You seem to enjoy doing what you want with your business, shouldn’t farmers be afforded the same freedom?
I don’t want the government to get involved at all
To back track I said, farmland is a finite national resource
And as several people have posted there are times where the market dictates what is planted.
Again which is fine
My premise is, are farmers acting in our countries best interest…trying to keep our resource as long as possible.
If there was data showing the abuse of the land which will become a national security issue in the future…should there or is there oversight.
To reiterate, I don’t want government to get involved. I don’t want to tell them what to do.
I want security of our resource so we aren’t dependent as we are with oil
All that matters is that they are able to act in any way they choose with their own property as long as they aren’t damaging someone else’s.
We obviously have differing opinions on individual rights and freedom. You see their property as “our resource” where I see it as “their property”.
It’s their property 100%, they pay taxes
But it’s a national resource as well, it’s protects sovereignty by making us self sufficient.
It’s just not the same as 1/2 acre with a house and pool.
I consider it the same as fresh water.
There is a limit and it has to be cared for properly.
This is what has allowed the government to grow into what it is today and why it won’t last.
You’re all too happy to hand someone else’s property rights over to the government to ensure you have food to eat. You applaud the gov for decreeing ownership of my wells, creeks, springs, and mud puddles to ensure you have water to drink. Don’t talk about business minors, international trade, or developing products while depending on the government to mandate your sustenance. If all you own is a half acre, you need a garden instead of a pool.
Why would I get into a international trade seminar when I was only talking about farmland.
For the 100th time, I’m not for big government or for government take over
Question, do you think we would have the quality of water we do as a whole if the government didn’t have regulations / EPA standards and regulations on what and how chemicals can be disposed of?
Navajo Nation Sues E.P.A. in Poisoning of a Colorado River (Published 2016)
A mine disaster is having a lasting impact on nearby residents and has cost them economically and spiritually, the suit says.
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www.pbs.org "Every time there is more than half an inch of rain there is sewage sent into the Hudson River. Over the course of the year you probably have billions of gallons of sewage going out into the Hudson."Jul 25, 2011
^ THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE COAST TI COAST IN AMERICA
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I know how I care for what is mine. I don’t think of anyone else other than my family when deciding what I do. It’ll be there for generations to come. I don’t care what anyone does with their property as long as it doesn’t damage anyone else’s.
Do you think your needs outweigh anyone else’s rights?
ETA: Aren’t you the Hoplite Arms guy? You sure stood up for your property rights when someone else was scamming your name/property/company. Guess that was different than a creek or farm land though. If you’re not that guy, my bad.
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Navajo Nation Sues E.P.A. in Poisoning of a Colorado River (Published 2016)
A mine disaster is having a lasting impact on nearby residents and has cost them economically and spiritually, the suit says.www.nytimes.com
dont answer the question just deflect
so the containment failed and their complaining that big gov didnt come fix it fast enough
another stellar body of work
you didnt answer the question
your rights outweigh my needs until your actions infringe on my quality of life
Their workers broke the containment. Apparently predictably
You look towards big gov who always create more problems than they solve.
Open your eyes
why dont you answer the fresh water question
why didnt you correct how freedom and rights work to the post above...its exactly what i said
"I don’t care what anyone does with their property as long as it doesn’t damage anyone else’s."
actually im regulated up the ass
i have certain licenses that allow for certain products to be produced
each one of the those has specific criteria
but knowing what other manufacturers do and have done
as much as the regulations are a burden if they werent there you wouldnt take or eat anything you didnt grow yourself
here comes the hypocrite again
If someone poisons groundwater dumping chemicals, that damages others property. They should be sued and held liable for damages to other owners property.
You aren’t guaranteed a quality of life, only the same rights as others. Lol
how do you know what poison and chemicals are if there arent govt regulations
how do you decipher property damage from said chemicals and poison if there are no regulations or governing body
Don’t the regulations just piss you off?
Allowed…. Lol
Who says others have to produce any goods for you to consume?
If you’re getting sick from the water, it’s poisoned. When the fish in the streams die, it’s polluted.
I know what I paid and what market value of my property is.
yes the regulations are insane but when you stand back and look
they are there to make the lowest common denominator function and not kill people
example,
putting vitamins in bottles
you may find a bad count or a bug etc in a bottle...shit happens
but you wont get poisoned because there is enough redundancy in those burdensome regs (if they are followed and not skirted to much)
again im not for big gov but they have their place at times
If we weren’t burdened with regulations, we could produce as much or as little as we want of whatever we wanted.
…until the water is poisoned and the fields are destroyed like in southern Russia.
It’s a chicken and egg argument
We don’t have the same core beliefs.
How about we agree not to use the government to force others to do what they don’t want to do and allow individuals to do as they please as long as they aren’t depriving people of their rights or damaging their property?
How about we agree not to use the government to force others to do what they don’t want to do and allow individuals to do as they please as long as they aren’t depriving people of their rights or damaging their property?
manufacturing regulations are not the same as phase 1,2,3 trials and finalization of the drug for market
I personally believe in the need for drawing the line.
The trouble with it is that once the line is drawn the takers insist on moving it again. And again, and again, add infinitum.
A perfect example of that is our 2A rights.
They always ask us to compromise by giving up rights.
A true compromise would mean they have something to offer that benefits us.
Instead, our compromise consists of eroding the 2A until it disappears.
Private property rights face the same take, take, take.
If they can't take it, they tax it or regulate it to death. (Just like the 2A)
The trouble with it is that once the line is drawn the takers insist on moving it again. And again, and again, add infinitum.
A perfect example of that is our 2A rights.
They always ask us to compromise by giving up rights.
A true compromise would mean they have something to offer that benefits us.
Instead, our compromise consists of eroding the 2A until it disappears.
Private property rights face the same take, take, take.
If they can't take it, they tax it or regulate it to death. (Just like the 2A)
It's way more western than midwest.
I haven't lived there for almost 2 decades, but it isn't anything like living on the other side of the Missouri river
Exactly
Anyone happen to remember the amount of money the Trump administration had requested to complete the border wall as well as all of the enforcement that went along with it that the democrats said we didn't have enough money for?
Yeah. Apparently they found that much sitting in a trunk in a back office.
And three other trunks just like it...
And three other trunks just like it...
Wasn’t it 6 billion or something?
Sounds about right.
But we have 40 billion to send to money launderers and human traffickers in Ukraine.
Give the choice between securing our border to a terrifying degree versus 'save Ukraine' well, good luck Ukraine people. Between Ukraine and Israel, we are basically in the full time country welfare business apparently.
P.S. - Where's my .50/gallon gas we were supposed to have when we invaded Iraq?
But how would the left have a border crisis to swoop in victimize them and have more voters? Unfortunately I think It’s good for the left (in their minds) having those poor people dying in the desert so they can turn around and make it a bigger issue.
The border was never getting any attention in regards to being fixed, albeit it would be easy to do.
Us sending money to Ukraine has absolutely zero to do with 'save Ukraine' but rather, people over there called their favors in and gave the powers that be a choice of, send us money (which we will launder and enrich ourselves with) or we're going to start leaking info on all of the people who sit on the board of directors here who also seem to all be related to American politicians.
It's a payoff. It's that simple.
Children are the greatest natural resource any nation has. The indoctrination squads will be along shortly to collect your children. Remember, they are a national resource...
100% agreed
I don’t believe they make better decisions
I do believe they force the issue on certain issues that do turn out for the better.
That line is very blurry and like someone else mentioned once their foot is in the door it only a matter of time until they expand.
I don’t think it’s in human nature to totally limit government
Up until 100 years ago there was uncharted land on earth so people like the 13 colonies could start “new”
Or there were population a which we could take the land from.
Since the entire earth is now populated and divided up we are in uncharted waters in human history.
Actually it got widdled down to 4 billion, from memory.
What a fucking sham this administration is, and they want to stay in power, so they got something planned for all of us.
I don't normally get into these antagonistic
debates here but I'm curious. Where in my post did I profess my love of Putin?? Where did I say I hope it all comes crashing down?? I have no love of Putin nor wish that it all comes crashing down. I do however hold our current Potato in the same regard as Putin, Zelensky, Soros and the like. They're all globalist who use us as tax slaves. Who is us you might ask?? The hardworking people of this country who produce and build. The other 30% of Americans who do nothing but take and leach....well...they get used also. They're used as leverage against the rest of us. Cannon fodder for the race war, the Abortion fight, the lgbtqlmnop fight or any other distraction to keep the cash flow in check.
Though I do not wish it, I do believe the only way this country returns to some semblance of its former glory it to rebuild from rock bottom.
Lastly, to come to a place like this and sling comments about people not loving their country is just plain ignorant and offensive. Many here served, many didn't including myself but fuck you for questioning my patriotism. Your judgment of random people on the internet is almost as poor as your reading comprehension.
Settle down Francis
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