Hot Take; Putin needs to just level Ukraine to save us from ourselves

[Socso.eod]

Didnt read anything except the OP. Just here to remind that dirty bonesmoker Putin to launch nuclear weapons on the sodomites in Odessa, Kyiv and Kharkiv so I can laugh at all the middle aged white women and fat redditors with UKR flags in their social media

 

[Average guy]

It's way more western than midwest.
I haven't lived there for almost 2 decades, but it isn't anything like living on the other side of the Missouri river

You cross the Missouri River is the west. Best illustration is Pierre and Fort Pierre SD. One town is seed caps and the other cowboy hats.

 

[Mike Casselton]

You cross the Missouri River is the west. Best illustration is Pierre and Fort Pierre SD. One town is seed caps and the other cowboy hats.

Total truth.

For those that have never lived there, it's pronounced "peer", not Pierre.

Same thing in Belle Fourche. It's Foosh. The R is silent.

 

[Average guy]

Total truth.

For those that have never lived there, it's pronounced "peer", not Pierre.

Same thing in Belle Fourche. It's Foosh. The R is silent.

I ran that Belle Fourche/Tri state area for a lot of years in the Bentonite patch

 

[OkieMike]

I mentioned a while back on a different thread that my wife has extended family in Ukraine... They're way west. Damn near to the Slovak border. So I doubt they're seeing much in the way of fighting and destruction.

I also got some insight from a good friend of mine who is from Ukraine. He emigrated here when he was a kid. Still has family there, as does his wife... D'nipro area. I asked him about the mess... He told me his mom went back for a visit a couple years ago. She had planned to stay for 2 weeks. She came home after 5 days. The place had become such a toilet she couldn't stand to be there any longer.

My take on the whole mess?

I can't feature propping up Ukraine so they can become another candyassed EU socialist welfare state that petitions against my 2A rights. Why help them trade one dictatorial oligarchy for another?

Let 'em fight their way out of it themselves... Maybe they'll appreciate liberty if they have to earn it.

Mike

 

[brianf]

I think it’s less about Ukraine, they are just the word of the moment.

It’s more about limiting Russian influence and reducing their access to resources.

Ukraine is and was a cesspool but its better than Russia.

 

[762libertarian]

I'm really writing this against better judgement, but here goes...

1) Every single penny in the defense budget of my country (Europe) is spent to create deterrence against Russia. Russian expansionism is not "the thing of the day" except for on US TV channels. For everybody living next to Russia, this has been a thing since the time of the tsars. If you hadn't heard about Russia and Ukraine before the US democrats replaced their face masks with blue and yellow flags, that's because you are in the US mainstream media bubble. Out in the real world, it was a thing during and before covid. Don't blame the Ukrainians for that.

2) Having said that, everybody from Boris Johnson to Volodimir Zelensky knows perfectly well that Ukraine is an extremely corrupt country and pretty much a failed state. The point is that Ukraine is rising from being a puppet state and a weakling to becoming a decent, functional, independent country. Russia wants it to be an obedient minion, so it had to strike now, before Ukraine had sorted itself out. This war has waaay less to do with whatever the current or previous US president did or didn't do than most americans seem to think.

God bless America and all, but whenever the topic of eastern Europe comes up, I just "no hablo amerikano" and try to drift out of the conversation. The one American (except for Mearsheimer) that I really respect on this topic is Kotkin. Listen to that guy, especially his recent interview on Lex Friedmans podcast.

 

[Lostin89]

I'm really writing this against better judgement, but here goes...

1) Every single penny in the defense budget of my country (Europe) is spent to create deterrence against Russia. Russian expansionism is not "the thing of the day" except for on US TV channels. For everybody living next to Russia, this has been a thing since the time of the tsars. If you hadn't heard about Russia and Ukraine before the US democrats replaced their face masks with blue and yellow flags, that's because you are in the US mainstream media bubble. Out in the real world, it was a thing during and before covid. Don't blame the Ukrainians for that.

2) Having said that, everybody from Boris Johnson to Volodimir Zelensky knows perfectly well that Ukraine is an extremely corrupt country and pretty much a failed state. The point is that Ukraine is rising from being a puppet state and a weakling to becoming a decent, functional, independent country. Russia wants it to be an obedient minion, so it had to strike now, before Ukraine had sorted itself out. This war has waaay less to do with whatever the current or previous US president did or didn't do than most americans seem to think.

God bless America and all, but whenever the topic of eastern Europe comes up, I just "no hablo amerikano" and try to drift out of the conversation. The one American (except for Mearsheimer) that I really respect on this topic is Kotkin. Listen to that guy, especially his recent interview on Lex Friedmans podcast.

Most of us heard about Ukraine when they were the single largest collection of Nazis in the world. They've been corrupt longer than any of us have been alive....if I had to guess, probably since those two states unified in 1919.

Lemme know where that 40b in funding went....bc a large portion of it is was to keep them as a corrupt little puppet state. The only thing they were trying to rise out of was one pocket into another. Per the usual for a country within a few spots of corruption levels of Russia.

There are plenty of boots on the ground European reporter's who have been talking about the corruption and destruction of Ukrainians by there own government for about 8 years now. You ignored all of that.

The problem here is you are so bolstered into thinking your correct, no amount of contrary viewpoints, reports from your own reporters, or history is going to change your mind.

Here is my stance, fuck them both.

They are both corrupt as hell, and our country shouldn't be anywhere near that shit show. Let alone giving 40 billion (by the way, that's triple what your shitshow EU has given) to a government who will NEVER actually use it against Russia.

 

[762libertarian]

Here is my stance, fuck them both.

They are both corrupt as hell, and our country shouldn't be anywhere near that shit show. Let alone giving 40 billion (by the way, that's triple what your shitshow EU has given) to a government who will NEVER actually use it against Russia.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to spend tax dollars on Ukraine. No hard feelings from me on that point. I live a short drive from this mess. I know Ukrainians. I know Russians. I (kinda) speak their language. I know Ukraine is corrupt. I do not deny that. I know the EU has been letting the US handle the security for our entire continent for decades. I don't expect a taxpayer from Ohio or Texas to have a big interest in Ukraine.

With all that said, the trajectory of Ukraine, with or without the US, is to clean up their messy institutions and build a proper republic. The US has tried to aid this process in its usual, heavy handed way, and Russia is trying to stop it, in its usual, brutal way. I'm fine with the US pulling out.

But have some understanding for us Europeans who are sick and tired of being pushed around by the ultra corrupt, violent, expansionist mess that is the Russian Federation. They need to be slapped so hard they realize they have to reign in their leaders and start acting like a normal country. They are wasting their resources on such incredible bullshit, becoming more and more retarded and poor every year, and they are blaming the west for it all.

 

[TheGerman]

Are we there yet?

The more these faggots beg us for money like we owe them something, the more I just want to see them get wrecked.

 

[tomcatmv]

Are we there yet?

The more these faggots beg us for money like we owe them something, the more I just want to see them get wrecked.

Ok, forgive me Lord as it is your day, but my .02$ on this is---Fuck Ukraine, fuck Russia, fuck the EU, fuck Brandon and the whole swamp in DC and put some fucking real defenses against the invaders on our southern border, especially here in Texas.

 

[NoDopes]

Trump's slogan for 2024 - "Save America!"

 

[lariat]

Trump's slogan for 2024 - "Save America!"

That would be a slogan that would work well right now.

 

[Mk16.5]

Corrupt? Where is it not?