Weed Rescheduling

[Thumper580]

Here is my readers digest version on alcohol vs weed. Example from college days. Mild manner guys or regular guys get drunk and want to fight, kick everyone ass or tear shit up... :... On the other hand smoke some weed, mellow out, listen to some Moody Blues and eat anything in sight. I can't remember anyone I knew that smoked weed and wanted to fight.... Alcohol triggers people in the wrong way.... Now at 68 years old I truly believe I should be able to sit on my deck, take a couple of weed hits and listen to the Doors without worrying about going to jail....

 

[sirhrmechanic]

From The Onion, 1998.

Drugs Win Drug War | The Onion (January 1998)

After nearly 30 years of combat, the US has lost the drug war.

Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey delivered the US’s unconditional surrender in a brief statement Friday. “Drugs, after a long, hard battle, you have defeated us,” he said. “Despite all our efforts, the United States has proven no match for the awesome power of the illegal high.”

“In retrospect,” McCaffrey added, “this was not a winnable war.”

McCaffrey then handed over power to High Times magazine editor Steven Hager, who will head the new US Office of Drug Policy, replacing the now-defunct DEA.

“We must all get behind drugs now,” outgoing DEA Chief Thomas Constantine said. “I recommend we all get really, really baked.”

With the defeat, drugs will begin a full-scale occupation of the vanquished US. Massive quantities of crack, heroin, PCP, LSD, marijuana and other drugs will flood the nation legally, saving America’s estimated 75 million drug users billions of dollars on their yearly drug budgets.

Street gangs, working in conjunction with Colombian coke lords, will assume leadership of America’s inner cities, and federally backed marijuana farms are expected to begin appearing throughout the rural Midwest and Northern California by the end of the year.

Drug kingpin Amado Fuentes said it was “inevitable” that the US would surrender. “We knew we would eventually win this war,” Fuentes told reporters from his impenetrable Mexico City palace. “America’s relentless campaign of anti-drug slogans, TV public-service announcements and elite elementary-school D.A.R.E. forces were a formidable enemy in this war. But in the end, my well-armed and well-financed army was victorious.”

 

[lash]

From The Onion, 1998.

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Drugs Win Drug War | The Onion (January 1998)

After nearly 30 years of combat, the US has lost the drug war.

Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey delivered the US’s unconditional surrender in a brief statement Friday. “Drugs, after a long, hard battle, you have defeated us,” he said. “Despite all our efforts, the United States has proven no match for the awesome power of the illegal high.”

“In retrospect,” McCaffrey added, “this was not a winnable war.”

McCaffrey then handed over power to High Times magazine editor Steven Hager, who will head the new US Office of Drug Policy, replacing the now-defunct DEA.

“We must all get behind drugs now,” outgoing DEA Chief Thomas Constantine said. “I recommend we all get really, really baked.”

With the defeat, drugs will begin a full-scale occupation of the vanquished US. Massive quantities of crack, heroin, PCP, LSD, marijuana and other drugs will flood the nation legally, saving America’s estimated 75 million drug users billions of dollars on their yearly drug budgets.

Street gangs, working in conjunction with Colombian coke lords, will assume leadership of America’s inner cities, and federally backed marijuana farms are expected to begin appearing throughout the rural Midwest and Northern California by the end of the year.

Drug kingpin Amado Fuentes said it was “inevitable” that the US would surrender. “We knew we would eventually win this war,” Fuentes told reporters from his impenetrable Mexico City palace. “America’s relentless campaign of anti-drug slogans, TV public-service announcements and elite elementary-school D.A.R.E. forces were a formidable enemy in this war. But in the end, my well-armed and well-financed army was victorious.”

As true a prediction as any parody could be.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Get over it.

 

[Bigfatcock]

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Lol.

 

[Haney]

Here is my readers digest version on alcohol vs weed. Example from college days. Mild manner guys or regular guys get drunk and want to fight, kick everyone ass or tear shit up... :... On the other hand smoke some weed, mellow out, listen to some Moody Blues and eat anything in sight. I can't remember anyone I knew that smoked weed and wanted to fight.... Alcohol triggers people in the wrong way.... Now at 68 years old I truly believe I should be able to sit on my deck, take a couple of weed hits and listen to the Doors without worrying about going to jail....

Well said, and spot on .

 

[XikoPlavi]

Bingo!
I couldn't care less if they smoke it, but the very smell of it pisses me right TFO.
Every time I go to the gunshow in Mobile or Montgomery, I have to smell these stinking motherfuckers.

Id rather smell that than hoopes solvent. Personally I dont know why anyone smokes real leaf in public. Just get a vaporizer cartridge. No smell whatsoever!

 

[Maser]

Here is my readers digest version on alcohol vs weed. Example from college days. Mild manner guys or regular guys get drunk and want to fight, kick everyone ass or tear shit up... :... On the other hand smoke some weed, mellow out, listen to some Moody Blues and eat anything in sight. I can't remember anyone I knew that smoked weed and wanted to fight.... Alcohol triggers people in the wrong way.... Now at 68 years old I truly believe I should be able to sit on my deck, take a couple of weed hits and listen to the Doors without worrying about going to jail....

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

The reason why alcohol turns us into assholes and weed turns us super friendly is because of how they affect our dopamine release. Alcohol causes massive amounts of dopamine to be released and therefore gives us an overwhelming feeling of confidence and fearlessness. Hence why it causes us to be loud and obnoxious and wanna fight. Weed on the other hand causes us to severely limit our dopamine release which leads us to be calm and timid and just want to get along with everyone.

That said, we all react differently to alcohol and weed. I know plenty of alcoholics who are the greatest people to be around and I know plenty of stoners who are the most obnoxious people to be around.

 

[Maggot]

Well said, and spot on .

@Haney, are you ill? You havent been your usual rude self lately. Is there anything we can do to get you back in form?

 

[XikoPlavi]

Moody Blues and doors

Now you talking my language. Throw in the who and its a party

 

[Haney]

@Haney, are you ill? You havent been your usual rude self lately. Is there anything we can do to get you back in form?

Nothing I can think of , feeling fine . Thanks for the concern though .

I guess speaking the truth could be taken as rude , it hurts tender feelings .

 

[Lug Nut]

Does anybody know why cannabis was banned?

I would think, every freedom loving patriot would push back.

Cannabis was banned because of a crooked government employee named Harry Anslinger. As the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics he was faced with losing his funding and position. He used lies and racism to unjustly pass laws in order to save his job.

Just google and learn for yourself.

“If you look for the roots of America’s ban on cannabis, you’ll find nearly all roads lead to a man named Harry Anslinger. He was the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which laid the groundwork for the modern-day DEA, and the first architect of the war on drugs.

Anslinger was appointed in 1930, just as the prohibition of alcohol was beginning to crumble (it was finally repealed in 1933), and remained in power for 32 years. Early on, he was on record essentially saying cannabis use was no big deal. He called the idea that it made people mad or violent an “absurd fallacy.”

But when Anslinger was put in charge of the FBN, he changed his position entirely.

“From the moment he took charge of the bureau, Harry was aware of the weakness of his new position. A war on narcotics alone — cocaine and heroin, outlawed in 1914 — wasn’t enough,” author Johann Hari wrote in his book, “Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs.” “They were used only by a tiny minority, and you couldn’t keep an entire department alive on such small crumbs. He needed more.”

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons

Long before Richard Nixon declared the "war on drugs," there was a man named Harry Anslinger who started it all

www.cbsnews.com

How disgusting it is that Harry Anslinger was able to pull the wool over our eyes and set in motion this decades old tragedy that has cost US billions in wasted tax dollars and billions in lost revenue that could have been generated.

How many lives ruined?

The division of us, vs. them.

We lost 100 years of potential science and productivity.

We’re fighting a plant that has never killed anyone.

Alcohol contributes to around three million deaths worldwide per year. That is about five percent of all deaths each year. In the US, about 2,200 deaths annually from alcohol poisoning, alone.

Worldwide cannabis overdose death per year, Zero.
Recorded cannabis overdose death in the history of mankind, Zero.

There was never any cost or burden placed on society that justified Harry’s unconstitutional tragedy.

Mmmkay….

 

[E. Bryant]

Does anybody know why cannabis was banned?

I would think, every freedom loving patriot would push back.

"Freedom loving patriots" have dropped a lot of balls over the past 100 years. Not at all surprised to find them on the wrong side of this issue.

 

[Maser]

Does anybody know why cannabis was banned?

I would think, every freedom loving patriot would push back.

Cannabis was banned because of crooked man named Harry Anslinger. As the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics he was faced with loosing his funding and position. So he used lies and racism to unjustly pass laws in order to save his job.

Just google and learn for yourself.

“If you look for the roots of America’s ban on cannabis, you’ll find nearly all roads lead to a man named Harry Anslinger. He was the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which laid the ground work for the modern-day DEA, and the first architect of the war on drugs.

Anslinger was appointed in 1930, just as the prohibition of alcohol was beginning to crumble (it was finally repealed in 1933), and remained in power for 32 years. Early on, he was on record essentially saying cannabis use was no big deal. He called the idea that it made people mad or violent an “absurd fallacy.”

But when Anslinger was put in charge of the FBN, he changed his position entirely.

“From the moment he took charge of the bureau, Harry was aware of the weakness of his new position. A war on narcotics alone — cocaine and heroin, outlawed in 1914 — wasn’t enough,” author Johann Hari wrote in his book, “Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs.” “They were used only by a tiny minority, and you couldn’t keep an entire department alive on such small crumbs. He needed more.”

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons

Long before Richard Nixon declared the "war on drugs," there was a man named Harry Anslinger who started it all

www.cbsnews.com

How disgusting it is that Harry Anslinger was able to pull the wool over our eyes and set in motion this decades old tragedy that has cost US billions in wasted tax dollars and billions in lost revenue that could have been generated.

How many lives ruined?

The division of us, vs. them.

We lost 100 years of potential science and productivity.

We’re fighting a plant that has never killed anyone.

Alcohol contributes to around three million deaths worldwide per year. That is about five percent of all deaths each year.

In the US, about 2,200 deaths annually from alcohol poisoning, alone.
Worldwide cannabis overdose death per year, Zero.
Recorded cannabis overdose death in the history of mankind, Zero.

Mmmkay…. WTF?

Anslinger may have started it, but it's the jackass Republicans that keep it going to this day.

 

[Maggot]

Does anybody know why cannabis was banned?

I would think, every freedom loving patriot would push back.

Cannabis was banned because of a crooked government employee named Harry Anslinger. As the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics he was faced with losing his funding and position. He used lies and racism to unjustly pass laws in order to save his job.

Just google and learn for yourself.

“If you look for the roots of America’s ban on cannabis, you’ll find nearly all roads lead to a man named Harry Anslinger. He was the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which laid the groundwork for the modern-day DEA, and the first architect of the war on drugs.

Anslinger was appointed in 1930, just as the prohibition of alcohol was beginning to crumble (it was finally repealed in 1933), and remained in power for 32 years. Early on, he was on record essentially saying cannabis use was no big deal. He called the idea that it made people mad or violent an “absurd fallacy.”

But when Anslinger was put in charge of the FBN, he changed his position entirely.

“From the moment he took charge of the bureau, Harry was aware of the weakness of his new position. A war on narcotics alone — cocaine and heroin, outlawed in 1914 — wasn’t enough,” author Johann Hari wrote in his book, “Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs.” “They were used only by a tiny minority, and you couldn’t keep an entire department alive on such small crumbs. He needed more.”

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons

Long before Richard Nixon declared the "war on drugs," there was a man named Harry Anslinger who started it all

www.cbsnews.com

How disgusting it is that Harry Anslinger was able to pull the wool over our eyes and set in motion this decades old tragedy that has cost US billions in wasted tax dollars and billions in lost revenue that could have been generated.

How many lives ruined?

The division of us, vs. them.

We lost 100 years of potential science and productivity.

We’re fighting a plant that has never killed anyone.

Alcohol contributes to around three million deaths worldwide per year. That is about five percent of all deaths each year. In the US, about 2,200 deaths annually from alcohol poisoning, alone.

Worldwide cannabis overdose death per year, Zero.
Recorded cannabis overdose death in the history of mankind, Zero.

There was never any cost or burden placed on society that justified Harry’s unconstitutional tragedy.

Mmmkay….

You left out Dupont Chemical and RW Hearst.

 

[theLBC]

Anslinger may have started it, but it's the jackass Republicans that keep it going to this day.

maybe because you can't make money so easily from a plant that folks can grow in the backyard.

 

[Maser]

maybe because you can't make money so easily from a plant that folks can grow in the backyard.

You would get a terrible product from plants grown outside without controlled lighting for the flowering phase.

 

[Lug Nut]

You left out Dupont Chemical and RW Hearst.

You bet, as well as big pharma.

Because Marinol is more better.

 

[n2ishun]

You would get a terrible product from plants grown outside without controlled lighting for the flowering phase.

Huh ?

Obviously you're not a skilled grower then.
Outdoor crops are much more desirable than indoor, always have been, always will be.

 

[Maser]

Huh ?

Obviously you're not a skilled grower then.
Outdoor crops are much more desirable than indoor, always have been, always will be.

Then why are the best strains all indoor grown? You're talking to a CA faggot here kid. Don't make youself look foolish in front of the Hide's peanut gallery here.

 

[Maggot]

Then why are the best strains all indoor grown? You're talking to a CA faggot here kid. Don't make youself look foolish in front of the Hide's peanut gallery here.

Youre speaking from very limited experience. I've had the best that came out Humboldt, and I've had the stuff from the 60's. The legendary strains like Acapulco gold, Panama Red, Columbian Red Bud, Thai Stick, were all grown out doors, and they would embarrass whats coming out of NorCal. Again, I (and he) have the experience of both, you only have the experience of one.

 

[Jscb1b]

Follow the money.

 

[rtB]

Arguing on the internet about who's weed is best.

SMOKE OFF - Maggot v. Maser v. n2ishun

I'll supply a tray of freshly cooked Hot Pockets to the last man person humanoid standing.

 

[Maser]

Youre speaking from very limited experience. I've had the best that came out Humboldt, and I've had the stuff from the 60's. The legendary strains like Acapulco gold, Panama Red, Columbian Red Bud, Thai Stick, were all grown out doors, and they would embarrass whats coming out of NorCal. Again, I (and he) have the experience of both, you only have the experience of one.

Modern strains are way more powerful than the faggoty Del Norte County shit from the 60s.

 

[wade2big]

Snip…. I would think, every freedom loving patriot would push back. Snip…

There are very few people who are actually advocates of freedom although many either pretend or have incorrectly convinced themselves otherwise. None who truly are would ever claim to be a republican or democrat. I can count on one hand the few that post in the pit.

 

[Fx51LP308]

Because there's still so much government authority at all level that's dependent upon keeping it illegal.

Precisely. Federal LE won't ever permit it. They're way too invested in the war against it. So many raids... so many agent lives lost.

Not gonna happen. Not in my lifetime anyway. And not that it really matters to me... I won't ever use it Never did... never will. Not even if I have severe Glaucoma or seizures or whatever the medical uses are. Nahhh,,,

 

[Bradu]

I wish I could try it for migraines, but having a decent job eliminates that option. They aren't as frequent or bad as they used to be, but they still suck. It's a lot safer option than many of the drugs I've taken for migraines.

 

[Lug Nut]

Read in your best David Attenborough voice.

It is fascinating, this relationship between plants and animals.

When gazing at the great fields of wheat and corn that dominate the landscape of modern mega Agri business, one may think, man has won, man has conquered, and man is in control.

But let us look back over millions of years of evolution and see how plants have trained animals to do their work for them. Flowers entice bees and other insects with rewards of food in payment for providing pollination services. Desert cactus blooming in the night attracts a certain bat. Rainforest flowers, so specialized that only a single variety of hummingbird with a uniquely shaped beak can access the rewards. These hummingbirds can predict the type of flowers that will be available, and bear young with beaks unlike their own, uniquely shaped to effectively harvest the seasonal bounty.

No longer do plants rely on the wind or chance. Plants now have a world of insects, birds, and mammals who are all too eager to do their bidding for them.

Now, let us have another look at those great fields of wheat the corn and ask ourselves, who has really conquered?

If corn had a brain, would it be laughing at us?

Will cannabis take its place in the great fields?

 

[rtB]

Will cannabis take its place in the great fields?

You can't live on cannibis. So no, no it won't.

Q "Hey I'll trade you an ounce of good bud for some food"
A "how much for your wimmin"

 

[AMGtuned]

Then why are the best strains all indoor grown? You're talking to a CA faggot here kid. Don't make youself look foolish in front of the Hide's peanut gallery here.

You were spot on, and easy to follow along with in this thread, until here.

A lot of the problem here is idiots that try to grow the wrong strain, in either location.

Been in ME for 40 years....... Definitely seen my fair share of gardens. Proper strains for growing outdoor are mold resistant, not as vulnerable to insects, love the water, etc. It is a WEED after all

Indoor/outdoor debate aside.

100% the BEST treatment for folks on Chemo or the like. Watched one of the best people I've even known, make 10 good years after being cut up like a Thanksgiving turkey, thanks to the effects that weed had on his immune system. Cancer treatments kill everything; some good weed will keep them eating, and managing pain, enough to the point that they can try to carry on with life.

This is a deep rabbit hole. Anyone that tells you that weed is worse than alcohol, more than likely has taken the vaccine. I say this because, if they had truly seen the effects/outcome/consequences of both, there would be no debate. Im not saying that there is no similar effect between the two. Again, DEEP hole.

The government can't control the money side, and they can't win it either. So they have continued to ban it. Once they find a way to consistently collect tax on it, it will be federally legal.

I'm starting to ramble, and lose my train of thought. @Maser that whole message was not directed at you. I do believe, without knowing you personally, that you do have intimate knowledge of the subject. Our winters are just different, from one side to the other.

 

[mikeshaw2]

Notice some of the timing of this. Hunter has to go on trial...

Crack isn't the same thing, but since they've determined that pot is good: what Hunter did was the same thing. I mean look at the poor guy!

Its all an attempt at keeping the money flowing

M

 

[vinniedelpino]

For what it's worth... widespread legalization of marijuana won't generate a material increase in tax revenues. This defies the basic principals of economics.

I love tomatoes. If the government placed a 1000% tax on tomatoes I wouldn't buy them anymore. I'd grow them instead. Modern marijuana is easier to grow than a tomato plant. It thrives all over the world from the jungles of South America to the Russian tundra. Bioengineering has now provided us with strains that possess the potency of indicas and the hardiness of ruderalis varieties in a convenient, compact, auto-flowering package that can go from seed to your favorite bong in twelve weeks. If legalized, weed is way too accessible to effectively tax in the long run.

We already have enough fat, lazy and stupid people fucking with the gene pool. Blaming guns for crime and marijuana for laziness are not congruent to one another. Weed alters one's mental state, decreases certain cognitive abilities, stimulates appetite and causes drowsiness. This is an undisputed fact. Long term/permanent effects are up in the air, but short term effects are not. It's science.

I'm all for legalizing weed, but I'm not about to break out the expensive champagne if it happens either. Victory would be bittersweet.

 

[Lug Nut]

You can't live on cannibis. So no, no it won't.

Q "Hey I'll trade you an ounce of good bud for some food"
A "how much for your wimmin"

For starters, fields of industrial hemp, for rope, paper, cloth, and many other products.

And if science gets a crack at it, who knows what else. This is one of the reasons for rescheduling.

Reschedule so the full weight of modern science can be thrown at it.

You may already now that it’s off limits to most lab boys due to its scheduling. Our government in its infinite wisdom, has chosen to stifle cannabis science, through scheduling. To the joy of chemical, pharmaceutical, and other industries, the king has granted very few the permission to study cannabis.

For too long, the people have been fooled, oppressed and manipulated.

Now, most of us will admit, the emperor is naked.

 

[lash]

Maybe many are missing the real issue behind all governmental controls.

Hint, the answer is in the first sentence.

 

[AMGtuned]

For what it's worth... widespread legalization of marijuana won't generate a material increase in tax revenues. This defies the basic principals of economics.

I love tomatoes. If the government placed a 1000% tax on tomatoes I wouldn't buy them anymore. I'd grow them instead. Modern marijuana is easier to grow than a tomato plant. It thrives all over the world from the jungles of South America to the Russian tundra. Bioengineering has now provided us with strains that possess the potency of indicas and the hardiness of ruderalis varieties in a convenient, compact, auto-flowering package that can go from seed to your favorite bong in twelve weeks. If legalized, weed is way too accessible to effectively tax in the long run.

We already have enough fat, lazy and stupid people fucking with the gene pool. Blaming guns for crime and marijuana for laziness are not congruent to one another. Weed alters one's mental state, decreases certain cognitive abilities, stimulates appetite and causes drowsiness. This is an undisputed fact. Long term/permanent effects are up in the air, but short term effects are not. It's science.

I'm all for legalizing weed, but I'm not about to break out the expensive champagne if it happens either. Victory would be bittersweet.

Touchè on the tax bit. But at the same time; there are probably more out there who would buy it from the store if they could, as opposed to taking the time to grow it themselves. (Reference to your point of the lazy stupids)

The strains/effects you listed are known INDICA traits, whereas SATIVA strains are known to be almost totally opposite. Both have their ups and downs (no pun intended).

Hemp is an amazing renewable resource; and overwhelming amounts of uses for cannabis have yet to be capitalized on. It's a road that really should be explored.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Touchè on the tax bit. But at the same time; there are probably more out there who would buy it from the store if they could, as opposed to taking the time to grow it themselves. (Reference to your point of the lazy stupids)

The strains/effects you listed are known INDICA traits, whereas SATIVA strains are known to be almost totally opposite. Both have their ups and downs (no pun intended).

Hemp is an amazing renewable resource; and overwhelming amounts of uses for cannabis have yet to be capitalized on. It's a road that really should be explored.

It's not so much that all smokers would grow it themselves. One grower could easily produce a half pound every few months in a 2x4 closet. If growing outdoors, the sky is the limit. A single plant can produce two pounds. That's a lot to share with friends.

I referenced indica dominant strains/effects because that's what people smoke nowadays. Sativas take (on average) 50% longer to flower and grow into giant, unruly bushes that are difficult to grow indoors where the environment can be controlled. They're also far less profitable per square foot/watt etc. I'd estimate 99%+ of all weed sold nowadays is indica or a hybrid for these reasons. Connoisseur growers will use SCROG to try to tame true sativas, but it's usually for their own stash... not for commercial consumption. The math just doesn't work in todays market. Either way, the "negative" effects of sativas are reduced, not eliminated relative to their indica counterparts.

I'm not hating on weed. In fact, I'm more pro-weed than pro-alcohol, and I say that as an avid whiskey aficionado. I just don't see the blanket legalization of recreational cannabis producing a net positive effect on this country. Nevertheless, the libertarian in me supports its legalization.

 

[lash]

Nevertheless, the libertarian in me supports its legalization.

As it should. Some of the same people that scream about their 2nd Amendment rights being violated, have no problem regulating other people’s freedoms if they don’t agree with them for whatever reason they may have. And it’s exactly that narrow-minded approach by all political spectra that allows the elitists and power mongers to divide and control a nation, if not the world.

 

[M4orturnate]

Does anybody know why cannabis was banned?

I would think, every freedom loving patriot would push back.

Cannabis was banned because of a crooked government employee named Harry Anslinger. As the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics he was faced with losing his funding and position. He used lies and racism to unjustly pass laws in order to save his job.

Just google and learn for yourself.

“If you look for the roots of America’s ban on cannabis, you’ll find nearly all roads lead to a man named Harry Anslinger. He was the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which laid the groundwork for the modern-day DEA, and the first architect of the war on drugs.

Anslinger was appointed in 1930, just as the prohibition of alcohol was beginning to crumble (it was finally repealed in 1933), and remained in power for 32 years. Early on, he was on record essentially saying cannabis use was no big deal. He called the idea that it made people mad or violent an “absurd fallacy.”

But when Anslinger was put in charge of the FBN, he changed his position entirely.

“From the moment he took charge of the bureau, Harry was aware of the weakness of his new position. A war on narcotics alone — cocaine and heroin, outlawed in 1914 — wasn’t enough,” author Johann Hari wrote in his book, “Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs.” “They were used only by a tiny minority, and you couldn’t keep an entire department alive on such small crumbs. He needed more.”

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons

Long before Richard Nixon declared the "war on drugs," there was a man named Harry Anslinger who started it all

www.cbsnews.com

How disgusting it is that Harry Anslinger was able to pull the wool over our eyes and set in motion this decades old tragedy that has cost US billions in wasted tax dollars and billions in lost revenue that could have been generated.

How many lives ruined?

The division of us, vs. them.

We lost 100 years of potential science and productivity.

We’re fighting a plant that has never killed anyone.

Alcohol contributes to around three million deaths worldwide per year. That is about five percent of all deaths each year. In the US, about 2,200 deaths annually from alcohol poisoning, alone.

Worldwide cannabis overdose death per year, Zero.
Recorded cannabis overdose death in the history of mankind, Zero.

There was never any cost or burden placed on society that justified Harry’s unconstitutional tragedy.

Mmmkay….

Corprate America was also involved. The paper industry lobbied for it to be illegal along with the medical industry.
Fun fact our constitution was written on hemp paper and some of our founder grew it. The whole plant is incredibly useful for more then getting high. The uses for hemp are almost infinite.

 

[Maser]

 

[n2ishun]

Does anybody know why cannabis was banned?

Specifically, nylon and plastics.
3m/Dow/Corning, and a few others were just coming out with that sort of stuff and they could be made better and cheaper with cannabis seed oils.

Yea you can make paper and textiles with the stringy stems as well as anything else they are made from, again cheaper and better, but...
It was what they could make from the seed oils that caused AssLicker .... I mean Asinger, to illegalize it.
Classic case of bought politician.

The reason that it STILL isn't fully legal ?
Does anyone know if 3M/Dow/Corning are still doing business ?
There ya go.

BTW, there has never been a better rope made than hemp rope, especially the huge ones that they use on ships....also sails on the huge sailboats back in the day....hemp, never been a better more durable way to make them.

 

[rtB]

Henry Ford's Hemp Car: The Truth Behind the Car "Made of Hemp that Runs on Hemp" » HG

Henry Ford invented and produced a hemp plastic car that ran on hemp, what could this mean for the future of cars?

thehomestead.guru

 

[lash]

Henry Ford's Hemp Car: The Truth Behind the Car "Made of Hemp that Runs on Hemp" » HG

Henry Ford invented and produced a hemp plastic car that ran on hemp, what could this mean for the future of cars?

thehomestead.guru

Nope! Not green enough! Doesn’t meet the requirement of controlling the fuel and allows independence. Out of the question!

 

[Haney]

Funny to see the argument over old/new and indoor/outdoor . With auto-flower, feminized, etc . you can grow any damn strain you want indoors or out . Feeding and training them is where the skill comes in . Damn rookies talking out their asses .

 

[Maggot]

Thats funnny, happened to me. I got really fucked up on alcohol, threw up in the neighbors living room. When they took me home the old man was going to pour a bottle of sweet wine down my throat. fortunately he thought better of it.

 

[Haney]

Nope! Not green enough! Doesn’t meet the requirement of controlling the fuel and allows independence. Out of the question!

Green is ok ,but other colors are what makes it special .

 

[fpgt72]

My brother is/was a pharmacist and he’s always been anti weed ….until a few years ago.
He has neuropathy in his feet and he’s tried every pharma product for the pain.
Were talking Morphine and Methadone powerful….and very addictive.
A co-worker , also a pharmacist told him to try a weed product called RSO aka (Rick Simpson Oil) derived from the Cannabis flower. He did , says it’s the ONLY thing that gives him relief. Whole different person since discovering it.

It is a drug, and like every other drug it has side effects, well not the covid jab we all know that has no side effects.

Like every other drug from Caffeine to nicotine to morphine they all do different things to different people. Oddly enough each person is different, another thing some people can't understand.

The laws are changing so fast and different from state to state.

One thing for sure is those making the laws they are screwing up. They see it as a possible avenue for money, it is not tobacco you can't tax it to death and people will pay till they die, or have a lung removed. So there will always be a "black market".

 

[jakelly]

It's not so much that all smokers would grow it themselves. One grower could easily produce a half pound every few months in a 2x4 closet. If growing outdoors, the sky is the limit. A single plant can produce two pounds. That's a lot to share with friends.

I referenced indica dominant strains/effects because that's what people smoke nowadays. Sativas take (on average) 50% longer to flower and grow into giant, unruly bushes that are difficult to grow indoors where the environment can be controlled. They're also far less profitable per square foot/watt etc. I'd estimate 99%+ of all weed sold nowadays is indica or a hybrid for these reasons. Connoisseur growers will use SCROG to try to tame true sativas, but it's usually for their own stash... not for commercial consumption. The math just doesn't work in todays market. Either way, the "negative" effects of sativas are reduced, not eliminated relative to their indica counterparts.

I'm not hating on weed. In fact, I'm more pro-weed than pro-alcohol, and I say that as an avid whiskey aficionado. I just don't see the blanket legalization of recreational cannabis producing a net positive effect on this country. Nevertheless, the libertarian in me supports its legalization.

I have watched medical legalization do bad things for two states now, in real time. Montana and Oklahoma. It has not been net positive, and in my opinion, never will be. It decimates logical thought and narrows a person’s ability to conceptualize. However, I want to see more agricultural and industrial hemp grown and used here. And ultimately I agree it should not be illegal. Natural law doesn’t allow for one man to tell another, what to ingest.

 

[Maggot]

I have watched medical legalization do bad things for two states now, in real time. Montana and Oklahoma. It has not been net positive, and in my opinion, never will be. It decimates logical thought and narrows a person’s ability to conceptualize. However, I want to see more agricultural and industrial hemp grown and used here. And ultimately I agree it should not be illegal. Natural law doesn’t allow for one man to tell another, what to ingest.

I've only been here (in Oklahoma) for a year or so. I dont see all the negative effects you mention. I will say that here in Lawton there seem to be more 'dispensaries' than anything else. I dont see how they all stay in business, but I haven seen swarming masses of stoned out people roving the streets. People do their work and mind their own business. But then Lawton isnt Norman.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Smells like 30-06 and Simmons 3-9X scope up in here.

 

[jakelly]

I've only been here (in Oklahoma) for a year or so. I dont see all the negative effects you mention. I will say that here in Lawton there seem to be more 'dispensaries' than anything else. I dont see how they all stay in business, but I haven seen swarming masses of stoned out people roving the streets. People do their work and mind their own business. But then Lawton isnt Norman.

I’m not going to go down a list. But did you happen to notice the Chinese buying all that property at double the asking price, in cash (small bills from the 1960s), for two years, driving our property prices up 2-3x?