Not sure how much is production ballers on a budget for prs/nrl compared to folks that just want to dabble but not go 5-figures…”I wanna shoot 1000y, but I don’t want to spend more than $3k total to do it” types.
But point taken
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Not sure how much is production ballers on a budget for prs/nrl compared to folks that just want to dabble but not go 5-figures…”I wanna shoot 1000y, but I don’t want to spend more than $3k total to do it” types.
But point taken
Put some real numbers to it and impress marketing people at scope makers.
I bet you can't.
When a group starts with 100 people and grows to 200 in a year that's a 100% growth rate. Pretty impressive until you dig and find out the market size still ain't shit.
That's your PRS/NRL analogy
Either way I’m gonna want the H6Xi to be in Mils. But I’ll take your word for it i wouldn’t know even where to find the numbers just going off the trends i see.
The people who make scopes know what sells in what numbers. They might mistakes every once in a while but they don't make blind decisions and are not stupid.
You know man, thinking about demographics, marketing, influencers…many years ago with their Mil reticles and MOA turrets on the same damn scope man, maybe Leupy was on to something…like, before their time, ahead of the curve…somehow dipping their toes into the same spot in the same stream…of consciousness man…
Cross-marketing, seeding the fields and the clouds, effing Velma AND Daphne, the whole shebang. Billions & billions $$$$…
Cross-marketing, seeding the fields and the clouds, effing Velma AND Daphne, the whole shebang. Billions & billions $$$$…
I just ordered the 3-18 in the SCR2 reticle last week. I wish Steiner's website was more informative and user friendly. Emailed them 2 questions, asking details on SCR2 reticle and what throw lever do I need to order. They only answered the SCR2 question which was "refer to their sister company Burris for more details on the SCR2". Hoping I like the 0.1x0.1 crosshair center reticle. (I'm generally a dot guy).
The 3-18 should include the throw lever.
Have had my 3-18 for a couple of weeks and the only real complaint I have is the turrets. They might could turn a half rotation if I sneezed on them. If I accidently try to turn the lock in the wrong direction then I'll turn 4-5 clicks before I know what I've done.
Throw lever in the box with the 3-18.
They’re certainly mushy.
That would save me $70+ then! Steiner never answered me and I asked them twice on that "optional throw lever". One Youtube video's said it had to be purchased separately. Thanks for clarifying though.
Ar 15 6arc. I like the 3-18 but cant choose a reticle. 1 part of me says the msr2 has more information. The other says the scr2 Christmas tree is right for that gun. I don't have tons of experience with mid to long range shooting but would like to stretch legs at 1000+ but most shooting will but 800 and in
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Also 6 ARC here too. I like the MSR more for the 0.04 mil center dot VS the 0.1x0.1 mil crosshair of the SCR2. I eventually went with SCR2 because sometimes we'll have holdover only stages in our matches.
I just got my TX6i last night, mounted it ready to zero and get dope today to only realize that a screw is missing on the elevation turret so I'll be requesting warranty service already, not happy right now.
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How is the scr2 on low power like 3-6x. My brain tells me msr2 would be betterAlso 6 ARC here too. I like the MSR more for the 0.04 mil center dot VS the 0.1x0.1 mil crosshair of the SCR2. I eventually went with SCR2 because sometimes we'll have holdover only stages in our matches.
I just got my TX6i last night, mounted it ready to zero and get dope today to only realize that a screw is missing on the elevation turret so I'll be requesting warranty service already, not happy right now.
Why?
Under 6x it is very small. Almost useless without illumination. I'm totally ok with it since 99.99% of the time I'll be at 10-18x.
What a waste... fucking MOA.H6Xi 2-12x42mm
Military Ruggedness in a Hunting Scope.Dominate your hunts with an optic you can trust. Born out of necessity and with the modern hunter in mind, the H6Xi riflescope series fuses military ruggedness with American craftsmanship. The result? An ultimate, robust precision optic ready to shatter...www.steiner-optics.com
Anyone else see this? 23oz from what i was able to google.
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It’s fucking MOA. When will that system die?
Seems like the crosshair lines are thicker in images
Seems like or are? You better get some facts before making a choice.
Seems like that's why I'm asking around to make a decision. May be willing to lose some magnification if the 2.5-15 is better in low end.(does anyone have a comparison) I know it's a ffp optic so never gonna be perfect optic. Just wondering where im willing to sacrifice. I'm trying to learn as much as possible. First good glass purchase
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So I've looked through this thread twice now and caught some pictures of the msr2 the second time through. The cross hairs seemed unusable at 3x with out illumination. But with seemed decent. Is it the same with scr2
On 3x you won’t be doing accurate holds with the reticles like on higher powers. They will just be used for a basic crosshair and the illumination helps a lot. Here is a review thread on the 3.3-18 with pics of the SCR2 on different powers.
Rifle Scopes - Burris XTR III 3.3-18x50 mini review and comparison to Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50
Backstory The Burris XTR II has been the top of the line offering from the Greeley, CO sport optics company for many years now. Initial manufacture of these scopes had some issues optically, but Burris was able to rectify those over time and the latest XTR II is a pretty well refined scope for...
www.snipershide.com I figured holds would be a no go especially for how thin it is to start. Does the illumination make crosshair usable in daylight on that 3-6 range? (Appreciate the help just don't really know what I'm getting Into for big magnification. My next highest mag is 1-8 strike eagle lol)On 3x you won’t be doing accurate holds with the reticles like on higher powers. They will just be used for a basic crosshair and the illumination helps a lot. Here is a review thread on the 3.3-18 with pics of the SCR2 on different powers.
Rifle Scopes - Burris XTR III 3.3-18x50 mini review and comparison to Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50
Backstory The Burris XTR II has been the top of the line offering from the Greeley, CO sport optics company for many years now. Initial manufacture of these scopes had some issues optically, but Burris was able to rectify those over time and the latest XTR II is a pretty well refined scope for...
I don't own and haven't used a 3-18X, but on a the 5-30X the answer is yes down on 5 or 6, which is within that range that you mentioned.
PS- if your comparison is a Strike Eagle, then I would say just pull the trigger and buy it. You are going to be be so happy in comparison.
I had my 3-18 next to a friends atacr 4-16 it’s very close. Atacr controls CA a little better. Has a little more contrast. But resolution is very similar. For what you can find them at they’re excellent and can’t be beat for the money. The turrets could use some work but that’s my only true complaint.
im finally getting out to this range this weekend with the new 3-18
Maybe I missed it, but that’s the procedure with setting the zero stop on this? The little book with the scope is vague as hell.
Maybe I missed it, but that’s the procedure with setting the zero stop on this? The little book with the scope is vague as hell.
See below to see if it works resetting zero works for you. Is your illumination red? Mine is green.
And, not that you were going to do it, but do not touch the screw at the top, in the center of the turret . . .
Can't touch it, if it's missing like my new T6Xi.
My TX6i's turrets clicks are horrible and mushy! My Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25 has better turrets. The turret elevation lock/unlock feature is unusable if you're wearing gloves or fingers have any type of moisture on it. By the time you've unlocked the turrets I've already inadvertently spun the turret 0.5 mil before noticing. If I leave them unlocked (which I plan to from now on) any minor bump will turn them. Good god, I hope this scope is optically better than the Razor it is replacing.
4.5-27x56. Wanted to try something different and lose some weight.
Oh i think it will be slightly better. But yeah i hate the turrets
I made a quick video for turret audible comparison. My Zeiss V4 is the quietest of the bunch. S&B is the most fine (14 mil rev). Steiner is easiest to spin.
Just got a T6 3-18.
A little disappointed with the turrets, not much defined "click" at all and extremely difficult to get just .1 mil adjustment.
Also one of the battery tabs sliced right into the coin cell at the joint between + and - and then broke off. The tabs are angled just right to do this.
Optically, it is pretty good for the cost.
A little disappointed with the turrets, not much defined "click" at all and extremely difficult to get just .1 mil adjustment.
Also one of the battery tabs sliced right into the coin cell at the joint between + and - and then broke off. The tabs are angled just right to do this.
Optically, it is pretty good for the cost.
Do yours not sound like this? I don’t think they are quite as good as my ZCO turrets. However, I thought the tactile feel of the T6Xi 3-18 turrets and the never lost feature were pretty nice in my example.
I agree, the glass is nice.
I just got a 3-18 and I think it’s nice all around. Turrets aren’t incredible but I don’t think they are by any means bad.
Mine are mush.
Similarly tight as your xtr iii? My xtr turrets are super stiff and my t6xi turrets are really easy to turn. Night and day.
That really sucks you guys are having turret issues. Keep us updated.
I wouldn’t say issues. It’s not that they don’t work. Just doesn’t live up to expectations and leaves a lot to be desired for an optic in this price range.
The turrets on my 5-30 feel great, but it might be that I just do not have any real experience with higher end scopes with which to compare. No complaints, and feel great, sounds like the video post # 837. I would not describe mine as "mushy"
Same with mine. The parallax adjustment on mine is pretty stiff though.
I got the T6 to replace a T5 thinking it was better. But the T5 is still on my rifle and the T6 is still unused in the box. I prefer the T5.
I almost purchased a Steiner, but chose a ZEISS S3 4x25x50. Everything is perfect on the ZEISS S3.
Today is the start of the 5th business day since Burris/Steiner told me that they'd ship me a replacement screw which it hasnt shipped yet. I'm so used to EXTREMELY fast service from Vortex, Leupold and S&B (via phone).
Additionally I've asked the Steiner/Burris what torque value and what loctite to use and all he responded was "yeah, use loctite". Ok dude, purple, blue or red? Nothing yet.......
I have a Steiner T6XI 3-18x56 with the MSR2 reticle. I haven’t used it on a rifle yet. Initial impressions are good. The turrets are just fine and the glass is good. My only initial complaint is that I would have liked the main reticle lines to match what the reticle looks like at the 10 mil mark. The reticle gets a bit thicker and much more bolder there. If the entirety of the reticle looked like that, it would be much more optimized for the 3-18 magnification that this scope offers. It’s unfortunate that Steiner didn’t do that.
may want to use vibratite
Don't know if the 3-18 is different, but on my 5-30 you lock the turrets before loosening the screws.
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