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Is the windage more or less centered, or is it dialed off to one side or another (which reduces the available elevation).
Because 11.7 is nowhere near total available
Because 11.7 is nowhere near total available
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So you followed the directions on page 6 regarding additional downward elevation? That is what is sounds like you are describing.
Have you zeroed this on an actual rifle shooting at 100 yards yet?
You have the correct 20 MOA mount (close enough to Steiner's recommendation of 25 MOA). I am not sure what else is happening, but, yes, zeroed at 100 yards, there should be more than 11.2 mils available counterclockwise (which moves the POI up on the target).
Yes. I zeroed the rifle at 100 yards then set the zero stop. The windage is centered at zero. I can loosen the screws, turn the turret up say 6 mils, tighten the screws and return to zero. But it does the same thing and stops at 11.2 mils.
EDIT: Ok i just spent 10 minutes fiddle fucking the damn turrets and now the elevation dials all the way to 23 mils. There is noticeably more resistance dialing past 11.2 mils. Maybe I'm just retarded. I don't know. Sorry fellas and thanks for the help.
Glad you got it.
What round are you shooting, and out to what distances?
About the "noticeably more resistance - I might call Steiner about that.
Anybody else have a point where they get noticeably more resistance?
What round are you shooting, and out to what distances?
About the "noticeably more resistance - I might call Steiner about that.
Anybody else have a point where they get noticeably more resistance?
I had it on a .22 and shot that out to 400 with holdovers. Tried out 90gr Bergers in 6 arc last week and the 11 mils got me out to 700 if I recall correctly. Held over in the reticle to get out to 1000. Yea I emailed them a few days ago and just got a reply. I’ll ask about the resistance.
Are you talking about the T5xi? I have never looked through one, but there are plenty of posts talking about it earlier in this thread. See, e.g., posts # 125 and 877-878 in this thread. Also, use the search box up at the top right of the screen.
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Why are so many of these scopes popping up in the Px?
Well I ended up bitting the bullet. Sold my 5-25 pmii, couldn’t get over the tunnel effect. Zp5 went back on my trg and bought a T6xi 3-18 from euro optic for either my ar-10 or my hunting rifle. Just got it in the mail today. Overall I think these are really solid little scopes. The glass is very very nice for such a short scope. Msr2 is awesome as always. A touch fine on 3 power but still great. I did enduce a little ca but it’s snow time here so it’s a little exaggerated. Compared to the zp5 it’s not quite there in the glass department but it’s not far off. Far Better than a nx8 from what I can remember. I have a 3-20x50 pmii that’s in getting the turrets worked on but I assume it would compete pretty well with that. Overall I’m pretty impressed with it. Turrets are just okay but they are serviceable for what they are. Wished they would have just did something similar to the m7xi turret. But then again if they did they wouldn’t sell any m7s. Top end optically I think is better than the 2.9-20 m7xi from what I remember about that scope as well.
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Personally I would but the t6 unless you can get a m5 for under 1500-1700 ish. Optically the t6 is a touch more versatile and has less scope body. Comes stock with tennebrax covers etc.
Because if you qualify for certain discounts you can get these things for a steal and people are buying them just to resell for a profit. At least that’s my impression.
Because of people like the guy below. People get them, are excited about the newness and it passes the table top inspection but then when they actually go use them (actually shoot them to determine if they’re “solid little scopes” or not) they find out how craptastic they actually are a dump them.
I’ve owned multiple Steiners, mostly the military models and every single one of them had issues.
I’ve owned 6 steiners, only had issue with one m7xi. I loved everyone of them and I beat the shit out of them. They do have a few bad ones leak out here and there as do any of the brands.
Come try my Steiner out. For the price I paid it has done very well on my AI. You might like it. I surely like it better then the G2 Razor I sold for it.
Just curious whether you have owned or shot while looking through the T6xi model that this thread is about? If so, what were your issues?
Yeah old reputations die hard 
. People who get burned have long memories. That's nature. With the T6Xi I think Steiner has fixed all the past issues though.
. People who get burned have long memories. That's nature. With the T6Xi I think Steiner has fixed all the past issues though.I haven't ever shot an older Steiner, and this thread is what convinced me to get the T6xi. I haven't regretted that purchase yet.Yeah old reputations die hard
My 5-30x is on the way ($2k shipped).
Any recs for mounting hardware for Tikka CTR w/ factory MOA rail?
EDIT: I might see about changing to 3-18x, if that makes any difference.
Any recs for mounting hardware for Tikka CTR w/ factory MOA rail?
EDIT: I might see about changing to 3-18x, if that makes any difference.
I have mine in a Spuhr. It's solid, and I can take it off and put it back on with no POI shift. Another super solid and well machined mount that's a lot cheaper and still has all the mounting holes for accessories (levels, pic boards, etc) is the Griffin Armament mount. Got no complaints with either of those.
I’m leaning towards a mount for the extra durability, and I’d be comfortable doing it myself. Looking at the Steiner options.
Looking through this thread was helpful. https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/so-what-does-a-1000-yd-shot-look-like.81086/
18x would be enough for me, the 1’ circle and military silhouette at 18x and below are enough. I think 1200 is where size would factor in for me, right at the 1.5/100. T6 in a 20 or 25 would be better.
I’ve taken mine to 1200 and still only running 12x or so due to the mirage factor and still made hits
All depends on the target and conditions. I have shot to 2500 yards on 17x but when I am shooting for load testing and groups 25x+ is much nicer to have. That is why having the 30x allows you to dial down to 18x and less but if you limit yourself with an 18x top end you can't dial up.
Spuhr here, too.
And I would stick with the one you ordered unless you have a need to go below 5x down to 3x. I shoot my 5-30 at around 17 or 18 all the time, but, like Rob01 said right above this post, you can still dial up and are not maxed out at 18x with a 5-30. Sitting on 17 or 18 is right in the middle of the 5-30 scope's magnification, so if you want to spend most of your time at 18x, I would stick with the 5-30.
I’ve been comparing a 5-30 model against a Zeiss S3 6-36 for a couple weeks now and have some observations I’ll share.
I do think the Zeiss S3 is at the top of $2500 and under scopes and I’ve been running one for about 6 months. Really the only reason I’m still looking is reticle selection. I dislike tree reticles and if Zeiss offered something comparable to the MSR2 it’d be a perfect comp scope for me.
The mechanics of both scopes are flawless as should be expected at this price point.
I do like the taller turrets on the Zeiss, but like the feel of the Steiner more. So, it’s a push.
Optical performance is also very close.
Eye box = same/push
FOV = same/push
CA = I was able to induce small amounts of off axis CA in the Zeiss in sunny conditions with snow cover. Steiner was CA free in all conditions.
Low light performance was also very close.
So, after a couple weeks with both scopes I’m still undecided on which one to go with. I’ll probably shoot a couple comps with each before deciding which one to keep.
They are that close. You can’t really go wrong.
I do think the Zeiss S3 is at the top of $2500 and under scopes and I’ve been running one for about 6 months. Really the only reason I’m still looking is reticle selection. I dislike tree reticles and if Zeiss offered something comparable to the MSR2 it’d be a perfect comp scope for me.
The mechanics of both scopes are flawless as should be expected at this price point.
I do like the taller turrets on the Zeiss, but like the feel of the Steiner more. So, it’s a push.
Optical performance is also very close.
Eye box = same/push
FOV = same/push
CA = I was able to induce small amounts of off axis CA in the Zeiss in sunny conditions with snow cover. Steiner was CA free in all conditions.
Low light performance was also very close.
So, after a couple weeks with both scopes I’m still undecided on which one to go with. I’ll probably shoot a couple comps with each before deciding which one to keep.
They are that close. You can’t really go wrong.
Anyone with a CTR have suggestions for mount height? Looking at the Badger c1 max with 20moa cant.
Has there been a good side by side of the t6 3-18 vs a NF 2.5-20?
I have both, what do you what to know? I also have an XTR3i 3.3-28 and NX8 4-32 in my quest for the best crossover scope.
How’s the glass quality, eye box, turret feel, and parallax. Basically, is the nx8 worth replacing with the tx6? I like my nx8 but I don’t love it. The glass is great but everything else is finicky imo.
The t6xi is an all around good scope, the turrets are a little goofy but I’m honestly not a scope snob so glass and turret feel don’t bother be as long as everything’s functional. The t6 is a good bit bigger and heavier then the nx8 so I guess it depends what you’re putting it on. The 56mm objective is nice for light gathering. I love the 2.5-20 NX8 tho so I’ll probably replace the Steiner and burris with them eventually.
How does image quality and resolution compare between the two?
If looking at them side by side the t6 is probably a little more crisp to my eye.
I never had the two side by side, but from experience with them both I would say the T6Xi is much more forgiving than the NX8. The recent NX8 has proven to be noticeably better than early release models optically and has evolved into quite a good option but is still a bit finicky. The T6Xi has a very forgiving eyebox, the scope is just easy to get behind.
Going off pure memory, the NF 2.5-20 may have slightly better contrast over the T6Xi, I found in some situations the T6Xi has a little bit of contrast falloff. I am trying to wrap up my T6Xi 3-18x56 review and compared it to NF ATACR 4-16x42, S&B US 3-20x50 and now a new Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 with the latter scope being late to the party so it has delayed things a bit.
Is the NX8 worth replacing with a T6Xi? A lot depends on what your needs are, do you often shoot at lowest magnification? The Steiner reticles aren't designed for 3x use and illumination is not as bright as NF so I'd say the NF has the advantage there. Do you often shoot in low light, the 56mm objective of the Steiner is likely the brighter scope in low light situations. Do you need a lightweight scope, the NF is 6 oz lighter vs. T6Xi. I would say T6Xi has "better" turrets vs. NX8 as NX8 turrets I find to be mushy but still usable. T6Xi has locking turrets.
One other minor gripe with T6Xi is the battery, it does not use the CR2032 that every other scope manufacture on the planet uses, why Steiner opted for a different battery is just stupid.
Can someone help me understand the following and how to handle when sighting and zero the first time? From the T6xi manual.
The T6Xi series is shipped from the factory with the optical center (knob at ‘0’ position) set below center.Without tapered bases the initial sight-in or bore sighting will likely produce an initial point of impact considerably high.
Also, looking at the 147 ELD-M chart shows 36.7' drop at 1300 yards for 12.2 mil adjustment. With the 30x model having 26 mil elevation, is my math correct in that this shouldn't be an issue with 0MOA scope mount?
The T6Xi series is shipped from the factory with the optical center (knob at ‘0’ position) set below center.Without tapered bases the initial sight-in or bore sighting will likely produce an initial point of impact considerably high.
Also, looking at the 147 ELD-M chart shows 36.7' drop at 1300 yards for 12.2 mil adjustment. With the 30x model having 26 mil elevation, is my math correct in that this shouldn't be an issue with 0MOA scope mount?
You will have 0 issues getting a proper zero with a 0 moa mount. 26 mils of total elevation you're good up to 30 moa for sure. Anything over 30 moa total you may have issues depending on tolerance stack ups.
I have the 5-30x mounted on my 6ARC gas gun with 0 MOA mount. I zeroed at 100 yards. I just checked and there are 15.6 mils of up elevation left.
When you go to zero and it's shooting really high, you'll have to loosen the 2 set screws on the turret and turn it counterclockwise a bit more than enough to lower the point of impact and then tighten the screws and then get the point of impact where you want. After that just loosen the screws again to set the dial to zero. Make sure the turret is locked when you loosen the screws though.
When you go to zero and it's shooting really high, you'll have to loosen the 2 set screws on the turret and turn it counterclockwise a bit more than enough to lower the point of impact and then tighten the screws and then get the point of impact where you want. After that just loosen the screws again to set the dial to zero. Make sure the turret is locked when you loosen the screws though.
Thanks. Makes sense. One thing I was curious about was the elevation turret not locking on zero, but a little past it. Was yours the same?
Isn’t this backwards? If the scope is set 20 MOA below optical center, and you’re using a 0 MOA base, don’t you need to come up to get zeroed, not go down?
The XTRIII has the same disclaimer in the manual, and when I sighted mine in with a 0MOA mount, I had to come up 6 mils to get zeroed.
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For sale: Steiner T6xi 1-6x24mm, KC-1 reticle, comes with the capped elevation turret option and Tenebræx scope caps in the package. I do not have the original box. Primary Arms PLx 1.54” mount with their RMR pattern 12 o’clock mount. Both the optic and mount have some overspray from...
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It's like the Gen3 Vortex. They give you a few tenths past zero.
I was also wondering what that portion meant. What does optical center set below center mean in terms of turret settings? But wouldn't you need to move up to bring the impact down?
EDIT: Just used a mirror and mine also was ~6 mils to bring the reticle back to center. So I guess it makes sense why it might be high initially. Although, not sure why they mention bore sighting, that'd also fix the issue if done prior to the first shot.
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Probably that there is less mrads left in the down direction (going clockwise on most USA scopes) then there is left going up (CCW).
Don’t get wrapped around the axle. I’ve been there. Just figure it out by doing.
- Take scope out of box
- Go to the zero number if it isn’t there already. At zero, turn all of the way CW (or CCW, doesn’t matter) until it stops. Don’t force it. Count the mrads/MOA it took; pretend 14mrad.
- Go back to zero (14mrad)
- Turn opposite way, or CCW and do what you did on step 2. Pretend this is 16mrad.
- You have 30mrd total scope travel
- If you’re anal, turn 15mrads back to optical center.
- Zero turret
- Stick scope on rifle.
- Shoot rifle at 100yds, note how much and which way you moved turret
- Let’s say you moved the turret 6mrad up from zero/optical center (up=what it says on your turret). That leaves you only 9mrads up left to dial (15-6), and 21mrads down.
- Btw 6mrads is 20moa
- If you're anal and all you do is holdovers, buy a 20moa/6mrad base to get you back to the optical center when you zero at 100yds.
- Now the scope is back to 15 up/15 down
- Or if you’re a dialer, you might overcompensate with, say, a 40moa base (12mrads) to allow more travel upwards.
- That would leave you at 27 up/3 down. In other words, you have 27mrads available to dial up (15+12).
- If you dial, this way you can optimize optical clarity for what distance you most often shoot.
Thanks, that was a good explanation. So it sounds like the 0MOA base leave the scope a few mrads short of able to fully dial for 1300.
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