the UN has been funding them (with our money) for a very long time, and they still do.
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The truth: Biden has pledged to tax the US citizen (NOT the 27M illegals) to pay Israel. The EU has pledged their citizens to be taxed to pay Gaza.
Essentially, NATO is taxing their citizens to pay opposing forces that are in a conflict that will not be resolved.
USA gets a exit from Ukraine with a positive note. Dollar reserve currency status is preserved by demonstrating that it offers solutions both military and financial. Saudi gets a nice memo that carrier groups can still roll so best reconsider the BRICS thing. Gaza gets taught "a lesson". 100m? Shit thats like putting a $1 in the walmart guys can. As of late the deficit has been increasing at 10 billion a day. The Israel payoff was not specified because it will be billions not millions and they dont want the vast diference to be brought to attention Say 10 million per Israeli death 30k per palestinian death. A 100B for Ukraine will be in the package. and lots of miscelaneous pork.. Its magic. print more for whatever needs arise. A new issue to be divisive about is created. Kind of like hanas was created to break PLO unity. One thing that seems not to be divisive is print more. Sugar daddys tab fixes all problems. It stinks but lets hope it works- for a while. The root problem-however you define it- will not go away now as it has been identified as a cash cow. Once the cash is gone it will be time for a rinse and repeat. Against all odds the status quo returned to? I wish. Everyones a rock star now the tour is just starting IMO. Massive feather in poopy pants cap.
US is the largest funder of Palestinians , UN RWA agency is just taking a big cut for their on the ground money bag handling as you can imagine all these UN outfits burn something like 10+% on their own salaries and fleets of Toyota Landcruiser , so much so Toyota is making 79 model near exclusively for UN .
I imagine 100million Brandon promised is just on top of 400mio or so
Besides UN , US is also involved directly with
According to the US Consulate in Jerusalem’s website, the United States has been the largest donor of aid to the Palestinians since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1994. This aid has totaled around $600 million annually in recent years, and can be roughly divided into three categories.
The first is USAID, the conduit by which the State Department provides aid to countries across the world. The second is the economic support for law and order in the Palestinian Authority.. The third is the US support for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA
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You are naive. Look at the bigger picture.
They won’t do a thing to those filthy goatfuckers.
Is now a good time to release how many in Congress share dual citizenship w/Israel? (9 Senators and 26 in House).
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Old fart said he was born in Israel
To arrest them because you disagree with their opinon would be exactly the travesty that charging Jan 6 protestors was/is. Jan 6 prosecutions are a stain on our representitive government for and by the people. That injustice is only accented by the lack of similar treatment for these protesters but adding to injustice only creates more problems.
As of late I find MTG to be a total moron. She repeats her talking points. Gazians should have "risen up" so theuy deserve carpet bombing and massivly disproportinate force. What exactly is she advocating? Does it have a analog in the USA? The people who live in gaza have no control of hamas anymore than the people in Mexico control the cartels. Carpet bombing for Mexico? These are stupid and extremly insensitive comments because the obvious fact is we have victims and injustice on both sides. Sadness is appropriate.
Her comparison to antifa is shallow and trite. The truth of all these arguments is the line between protest and a riot should not be based on the cause but the activity. Many things are factors i n the dierence between a protest and a riot. One of the things is where it occurs. No one has a right to take a issue to any community they please and protest. That protest would be completly innapropriate at a synagogue .The capital however is by definition a allowable place to protest as the seat of a representitiver government. The other factors are intimidation and property destruction. These actions are not protest but a riot and it is the authorities duty to step in. We saw all these actions in the antifa riots but law enforcment was directed to stand down to suite a agenda. Jan 6 took place at the capital. This protest takes place at the capital. There was minimal property damage at jan 6. There is minimal property damage at this protest. IMO this protest has much more in common with jan 6 than antifa riots. Cultivating divisivness and obscuring the reality of what has happened is not in anyones interest. Thus I conclude MTG is either bought and paid for or ignorant perhaps both.
i don't believe it is anti-anything to point out who is driving our country into the dirt and heading us towards wwiii.
Gaza Hospital Fiasco Offers A Vivid Example Of Journalism's Rot
The Gaza hospital story reminds us that the establishment media have become the biggest disseminators of disinformation.
thefederalist.com 
AND Palestinians? At the same time?
If these Jews are anything like the Jews I know in Chicago, they are not anything like a Jew that was born in and lives in Israel. Same claim religiously, very different otherwise, as most American Jews get their talking points from CNN and have never lived in nor really been in harms way, although they live in a state of perpetual victim hood that they create in their minds all on their own.
I won’t hold my breath for law enforcement to treat their behavior and actions as they did the January 6th people; certainly you won’t see people who weren’t even there, but support it verbally online, arrested and imprisoned.
Facts be facts. Check the proportion in Congress.i don't believe it is anti-anything to point out who is driving our country into the dirt and heading us towards wwiii.
The Capitol is open to the public. Guided tours are free, just sign up and wait in line.
Anyone, right, left, or center, that 'storms it' should be dealt with with superior force to stop them.
If this doesnt stop the damn tranny's and fags will be there nest. Oh, wait, they're already there.
i'd say you're missing the point, although i cannot speak for mtg.
when we say this is an insurrection and they should be in prison, it is simply to point out the ridiculous hypocrisy of the left.
we aren't seriously saying anyone should be put into jail for peaceful protesting, but that is what happened to people from jan6.
only the democrats have free speech. conservatives get thrown in prison under this puppet pedophile regime.
backsheesh
If Congress gets a chance they will double or triple that 'aid'
This was LITERALLY the same thing that countless Russian villages experienced on the first 3 days of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 when the German forces massed along the Stalin Line instantly breached these fixed gun emplacements and rolled on into the USSR. Squads of Einsatzgruppen on motorcycles and light trucks struck villages with no warning well ahead of the main German infantry columns and indiscriminately killed everybody they saw. And the USSR saw to it that the Nazi Party was not just finished, but completely obliterated into dust. And there are people today saying that Israel has no right to end Hamas once and for all because of this?
since they survive on our dime, however it gets to them, i don't think it would have been unreasonable to require them to oust the hamas regime and elect new moderate leadership that recognizes the right for israel to exist and signs the abraham accords, or lose funding.
if the UN continues to fund them with our gracious and fungible donations, we should end that too.
It's like someone saying they are a Catholic but believes in abortion.
I don't recall seeing any Jews celebrating the 9/11 attacks. I don't see any Jews that wish death on Americans.i'd say you're missing the point, although i cannot speak for mtg.
when we say this is an insurrection and they should be in prison, it is simply to point out the ridiculous hypocrisy of the left.
we aren't seriously saying anyone should be put into jail for peaceful protesting, but that is what happened to people from jan6.
only the democrats have free speech. conservatives get thrown in prison under this puppet pedophile regime.
The difference between the J6 protestors and the goatfuckers and idiots proclaiming to be Jews in the capitol building today is that one tried to save America and the other wants to destroy America.
Piss on those goatfuckers.
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Dude, I think you are a shill for someone. You have not posted on here in 9 years then suddenly show up a few days before 10/7. You shit post on some threads then spend all your time on this one.
Your first post on this thread repeats a propaganda post from Hamas.
And all your posts since have been on this thread.
Are you a paid push troller?
AKFAFO is a paid push troller. Look at his post history. And how be posts. Not even sure he is a real person.
Well, there is this, from the Jerusalem Post, no less. Will they spit on the $10b that this nation’s grandchildren will be attempting to pay off? Ingratitude is the worst insult.
Israeli settler activist: 'Spitting on Christians is a Jewish custom'
The statement came as a response to a video circulating online of Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians in Jerusalem's Old City.
m.jpost.com 
So far in most of the protests outside of ME, I’m seeing crowd numbers of a thousand or two max.
In Australia, Toyota have stopped taking orders for 79 series and other models. Wait list was up to ‘4 years, to never’.
Retail is about $80k, good used examples are easily cracking $125k, and built touring examples with kitchen sleeping setup, desalination unit etc etc are nearer to $200k.
US is the largest funder of Palestinians , UN RWA agency is just taking a big cut for their on the ground money bag handling as you can imagine all these UN outfits burn something like 10+% on their own salaries and fleets of Toyota Landcruiser , so much so Toyota is making 79 model near exclusively for UN .
I imagine 100million Brandon promised is just on top of 400mio or so
Besides UN , US is also involved directly withCIAUSAID funds only question is how many Hamas US Army put trough its courses
According to the US Consulate in Jerusalem’s website, the United States has been the largest donor of aid to the Palestinians since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1994. This aid has totaled around $600 million annually in recent years, and can be roughly divided into three categories.
The first is USAID, the conduit by which the State Department provides aid to countries across the world. The second is the economic support for law and order in the Palestinian Authority.. The third is the US support for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA
In Australia, Toyota have stopped taking orders for 79 series and other models. Wait list was up to ‘4 years, to never’.
Retail is about $80k, good used examples are easily cracking $125k, and built touring examples with kitchen sleeping setup, desalination unit etc etc are nearer to $200k.
There are exceptions to every rule, race and religion. A few Jews spitting on Christians isn't as bad as millions of degenerate muslims wishing death and trying to kill Americans.Well, there is this, from the Jerusalem Post, no less. Will they spit on the $10b that this nation’s grandchildren will be attempting to pay off? Ingratitude is the worst insult.
Israeli settler activist: 'Spitting on Christians is a Jewish custom'
The statement came as a response to a video circulating online of Orthodox Jews spitting on Christians in Jerusalem's Old City.
I hear you and I understand and am truly sympathetic to the position. BUT - which nation has ever turned around and come back to honestly say “thank you” to the US and the US taxpayer (it’s a Biblical reference). None I can think of. Gratitude matters. There is no gratitude when it is OPM - other people’s money. Instead, it’s a perpetual handout at the expense of our future generations- for what? How much of this $10b is going to make any real difference? How much of the money sent to Ukraine will make a tinker’s damn in the grand scheme?
I don’t think many have really thought this through: bonds are a literal selling TODAY by the government the future wages from the labor of the citizens of a country (tax revenue). Somebody remind me, what is that called?
30 year bonds span a generation, which means that bonds issued today are intended to be paid off by someone born around today. Think on that. You have a baby in your house? There is a bond or few they are responsible for paying for, either to foreign nations, a corporation such as Blackrock or a private US citizen (who also has their own bond obligation). It’s been like that from the jump, and it is necessary to a certain degree, but damn it’s a big number now.
It’s a topic for another thread, but conservative politicians love to talk about reducing taxes. It’s a farce. We have added a trillion dollars to our debt this year alone, and interest rates are rising. Social and foreign programs are not going to be cut. This means taxes can never go down, they must go up. The amount of taxes everyone pays will go up in the future, as will inflation. Children born in the US today have a huge burden to bear in their lives; this is made even more onerous by the fact that the taxpayer base is declining. Thus the obligation per person will increase. Everyone can figure out what that means - through taxation we will be forced to give up more of what we earn to serve the interest payments of these decisons our officials are making now.
Most on here will not read this because it is too much text, but they should. Especially if they have family. What is in store for them is not good.
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I agree that there are a lot of countries and sometimes, Israel, that don't show us gratitude. There are a lot of them that will take our money and stab us in the back at the first opportunity.
At the risk of thread drift I'll leave this little motivational video. I was 15 when Mr. Sinclair made this broadcast. I never get tired of hearing it. His speech still stirs something in me. He gave some of us a glimmer of hope, that there was someone out there who might like the USA.
A more simplified way to word it.
Who, in the world, is giving monies to the US even if it is adding to their national debt?
R
Yes, but to really put a very fine and truthful point to it, it’s Indentured servitude of the citizenry. Nobody is ever free from obligations the country has made on their labors. From birth to death because bonds never stop being issued and senseless spending never stops. The debt of current and prior initiatives must be paid off or the country defaults. This is why (among others) we must be careful about how we spend money. But I fear that horse is out of the barn.
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Indentured servitude was worse than chattel slavery- at least for the servant. Indentured servants had no monetary value.
Took some time off. I have been busy. I have some time now. My posts have been clear. I condemn killing women children and civillians. I came into this thread outraged at the despicable hamas actions. They are still despicable. The Israeli response has been despicable also. The whole thing makes me sick.
What is the "propaganda" post? Really i find propaganda to be self defeating, If you can identify propaganda - deception you can understand that manipulation is being attempted, This leads to distrust of the material presented.
I came into this thread mostly concerned about the implications for a terror attack in the USA. This is still a concern for me. Also the possibility for a world war is quite concerning. These are risks to the USA. I would prefer to not see more innocents hurt.
As I evaluated Israels response I also educated myself some more on the issues. But more than anything I am horrified by the large amount of civillian deaths. It bothers me.
I have always thought Israel possesing nuclear weapons while not being signatory to the nuclear non proliferation treaty quite odd. Why are they allowed this unique status? This is even more concerning now that I see their disproportional use of force. I believe they will use nuclear weapons preemptively. In many ways I think Israel manipulates the USA. I have some Jewish friends and early in my life some Jewish girl friends. I think of them in very appreciative manner. Its one of the things that I think bears discussion, the diference between the state of Israel and Judaism.
I believe nations and individuals should be judged on their actions. This whole thing is a big mess. I question whether unconditional support of Israel is the right path for the USA in this matter. I think thats appropriate considering their use of force on civilians. Fundamentally I question whether Israel is truly a friend to the USA. I tend to look at things in simplistic ways. If i had a friend who was doing what Israel was doing i would question it too.
Basically it has been my opinion that the USA has been in some deep shit for several decades. I would really like my country to act in a moral and ethical manner at the same time it stands up for justice, I would really like the killing of innocents to stop both palestinian and Israeli.
I think these are important questions our country needs to have a frank discussion about because I think our present course is very dangerous. Im old -65. As we have entered this crisis I have felt the need to speak out for what I think is important. I know my voice doesnt matter but i feel the need to speak. Its because i think things are really bad. If you think my perspective is incorrect discard it. I think some really important fundamental human values are being discarded. I think we are on the wrong path spiritually. Ive always been this way. I think its important to speak out. Most times i just dont care enough about the issues to speak out. I evaluate every issue on its merits. Im not a troll. Certainly not a paid one. I came back to this forum because I have the time to shoot again and this is IMO the premier source of information. I know the skill level is very high here- much higher than mine. Then this shitstorm hit. If you think my words have no value just discard them. Im not a troll. Im a fat old man that really doesnt like what he sees for the future of his country and much more importantly the people that live here. Im primarily advocating people try their best to really check whats in their hearts as we enter these times. Whose side am I on? I would like to think im on the side of the innocents those whose life has been taken- and will be taken- regardless of their team status. There is some pretty fucked up things happening. What hamas did was wrong, What Israel is doing is wrong too,
IMO people are deceived a lot. Perhaps thats a egotistical statement. In my opinion people are being manipulated by divisivness. There was a time in this country when people got along better, No one really cared what team you were on. Do I expect my comments to make a diference? No, But innocents are dieing.
It doesnt seem right to me. You are suspicious that im on a team of some sort. When i see attempts to put issues into a team box-even when it doesnt make sense to go in that box- i get suspicious also. Suspicious that the intent is to deceive via divisivness.
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Apparently, the families of Palestinians who martyr themselves get a stipend, these payments come from the EU and the West, so in essence when we pay the Palestinian Authority (Hamas by a different name) then we, and Europe are directly funding terrorism.
Fucking bananas!
Start at 10:35:00 of the video for explanation.
Fucking bananas!
Start at 10:35:00 of the video for explanation.
If you think a proportional response is the right thing to do, you are naive and need to get your T levels checked.
The way you win wars is by destroying the enemy. We firebombed cities to such a degree in WWII that the USAAF said plainly if we lost the war we would be tried with war crimes.
But we won.
Sanctions are gun laws for nations.
Anyone think the bad actors won't get their stuff.
Maybe it adds a layer of difficulty.
Kind of surprised how eager many are to go to war here.
Showed you what Astan was about two years ago leaving in shame.
Couldn't hook you with Ukraine.....
But now let's glass em.
How very strange and manipulated.
Showed you what Astan was about two years ago leaving in shame.
Couldn't hook you with Ukraine.....
But now let's glass em.
How very strange and manipulated.
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It seems whole 1000+ bombs per day is just bulldozing the ground remotely at US taxpayers dime.
Anyone with a working brain would know there are few Hamas there to be hit , leadership lives in Qatar ,the most eager ones to find death and imaginary virgins are still in action but those like to the breakout crew were never meant to survive, rest are now civilians and its no finding them. Its quite likely that coms went medieval with messengers and phones on wires no one is tapping those
Next step it seems will be Gaza land grab.Its quite obvious Israelis had no plan, beyond blowing some shit up now they are winging it . Which is mindblowing on its own , you know you are dealing with Gaza for 17+ years and 60+y of Palestinian insurgency and no contingency plans are drawn up.
Because the wall and DMZ worked so well they will make another one and it seems Wadi Gaza will be the moat ,.... and while they are at it make Snake Plisskens escape from NY and Comiefornia mandatory viewing ,
But when it comes to fingerpointing they need to hang Bibi for this. Netanyahu and his military-intelligence apparatus are directly responsible.
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he [Netanyahu] told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” (Haaretz, October 9, 2023,)
“Transferring money to Hamas” on behalf of Netanyahu is confirmed by a Times of Israel October 8, 2023 Report:
“Hamas was treated as a partner to the detriment of the Palestinian Authority to prevent Abbas from moving towards creating a Palestinian State. Hamas was promoted from a terrorist group to an organization with which Israel conducted negotiations through Egypt, and which was allowed to receive suitcases containing millions of dollars from Qatar through the Gaza crossings.”
Anyone with a working brain would know there are few Hamas there to be hit , leadership lives in Qatar ,the most eager ones to find death and imaginary virgins are still in action but those like to the breakout crew were never meant to survive, rest are now civilians and its no finding them. Its quite likely that coms went medieval with messengers and phones on wires no one is tapping those
Next step it seems will be Gaza land grab.Its quite obvious Israelis had no plan, beyond blowing some shit up now they are winging it . Which is mindblowing on its own , you know you are dealing with Gaza for 17+ years and 60+y of Palestinian insurgency and no contingency plans are drawn up.
Because the wall and DMZ worked so well they will make another one and it seems Wadi Gaza will be the moat ,.... and while they are at it make Snake Plisskens escape from NY and Comiefornia mandatory viewing ,
But when it comes to fingerpointing they need to hang Bibi for this. Netanyahu and his military-intelligence apparatus are directly responsible.
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he [Netanyahu] told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” (Haaretz, October 9, 2023,)
“Transferring money to Hamas” on behalf of Netanyahu is confirmed by a Times of Israel October 8, 2023 Report:
“Hamas was treated as a partner to the detriment of the Palestinian Authority to prevent Abbas from moving towards creating a Palestinian State. Hamas was promoted from a terrorist group to an organization with which Israel conducted negotiations through Egypt, and which was allowed to receive suitcases containing millions of dollars from Qatar through the Gaza crossings.”
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