SIG manages to outdo themselves and make the stupidest pistol in recent history
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Considering that chassis is made by Flux Defense and has been pretty much sold out as soon as they make a run of them for as long as they have been making them I’d venture quite a few people would disagree. Definitely better than many of the other pistol based PDWs over the years.
Personally I’d have preferred a threaded barrel so you could run a suppressor but that’s just me.
Personally I’d have preferred a threaded barrel so you could run a suppressor but that’s just me.
These are extremely popular truck and bag guns. The flux defense raider chassis have been basically perpetually sold out for years. These will sell out immediately most likely as well.
P365, but still, it looks pretty effective. I may have to look into flux. If they make one for glock, I may put one together to ride in my travel bag.
How is this better than a normal pistol?
Oh wait, I forgot that most people don’t know how to shoot a pistol half way accurately.
Oh wait, I forgot that most people don’t know how to shoot a pistol half way accurately.
So, that forward magazine is just being held there as a spare?
Yes. And if you fully depress the release button for the spare, it drops the one in the gun also. Which I though was kind of cool.
I wonder if it will go off by itself like the P320 
You know I have really not been impressed by Sig. My P365 broke after a few boxes and I had to send it in for repair. I had a US-made P210 as well and I found the trigger sloppy/gritty. I ended up selling it to LGS for somewhat of a loss
Even someone that shoots a pistol well will shoot a pistol with a brace/stock better.
There is a use case. It might not be mine or yours, but there is a use case for it.
And, anyone that thinks they shoot a pistol as well without a brace as the could with one, is not being honest with themselves.
Those flux things seem pretty neat. They are tiny tiny and do offer some pdw benefits vs just a naked pistol.
The glock 20 and glock 17 ones I shot were really neat. brace collapsed and it they were super small. Function was great, brace worked as youd hope and the front mag holder did indeed hold the mag to add weight up front and add point of contact. These were older ones, so not familiar with them currently.
Shot them with a red dot and can. Only complaint was they were a bit gassey with everything so close to face and an octane on there. Possible ammo swap could change that etc.
I'd pass on the sig shit all that said.... if nothing else it's way chunkier than the old glock ones I played with.
The glock 20 and glock 17 ones I shot were really neat. brace collapsed and it they were super small. Function was great, brace worked as youd hope and the front mag holder did indeed hold the mag to add weight up front and add point of contact. These were older ones, so not familiar with them currently.
Shot them with a red dot and can. Only complaint was they were a bit gassey with everything so close to face and an octane on there. Possible ammo swap could change that etc.
I'd pass on the sig shit all that said.... if nothing else it's way chunkier than the old glock ones I played with.
Tell me you don't know how to make money in the gun business without telling me you don't know how to make money in the gun business
Never underestimate the cool factor, people like different with functionality. We have 5 on initial order and all 5 are already sold even with the warning it may a while before you get it. They are not cheap and will probably be,hard to get for a while, not my cup of tea but to each their own.
I wanna see someone put a glock in one that has a glock switch. You'll have one cool micro smg
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It will probably be more accurate than their MPX, I see so many posts on those from guys happy they are getting 3" groups at 25 yds and 6-8" groups at 50yds off bags/rest. Most combat 9mm handguns can do better than that from a rest, accurate 9mm handguns can push 2" or better at 50yds, yet somehow 6-8" for a shouldered 9mm is acceptable.
That said, I don't know if this is Sig's stupidest offering.........after all there's the MCX Regulator....
There's also the Sig P210 carry.......cause there's nothing people like more than a full sized heavy single stack 9mm carry gun that carries less rounds than a Glock 43x..... that's a hard sell even to 1911 addicts.
In years....decades past I've had some good guns from Sig, but in the last 10 years.....just way too many problems. 4 MOA accuracy standards on a $3k MCX's they test at 25yds and extrapolate..... in 2024 in a sea of AR's costing half as much, that will easily shoot half that, no thanks.
Sig is a marketing genius, I'd love to be in their marketing meetings, they have to be a fun time. At this point they are basically doing social engineering R&D to find the limit of how stupid the consumer is with their money and as hard as they are trying they are still failing.
I think the one surprising thing is how cheap it is, $1500 is a deal for getting a handgun chassis with a legion handgun. Considering their comp'd legion 320's go for almost that much on their own.
That said, I don't know if this is Sig's stupidest offering.........after all there's the MCX Regulator....
There's also the Sig P210 carry.......cause there's nothing people like more than a full sized heavy single stack 9mm carry gun that carries less rounds than a Glock 43x..... that's a hard sell even to 1911 addicts.
In years....decades past I've had some good guns from Sig, but in the last 10 years.....just way too many problems. 4 MOA accuracy standards on a $3k MCX's they test at 25yds and extrapolate..... in 2024 in a sea of AR's costing half as much, that will easily shoot half that, no thanks.
Sig is a marketing genius, I'd love to be in their marketing meetings, they have to be a fun time. At this point they are basically doing social engineering R&D to find the limit of how stupid the consumer is with their money and as hard as they are trying they are still failing.
I think the one surprising thing is how cheap it is, $1500 is a deal for getting a handgun chassis with a legion handgun. Considering their comp'd legion 320's go for almost that much on their own.
MCX accuracy is very hit and miss and if you get a miss, Sig's 4 MOA criteria is pretty sad. The heavier barrel Virtus seemed to do better from an accuracy standpoint than the lighter barrel Legacy version. Sig blames it on the 1:7 barrels and folks not using heavy match ammo. Which is funny because I've had several 1:7 twist barrels that shot 55/62 grain ammo well. Did they shoot 69/73/79 grain match ammo better.....sure. Considering Sig charges $800 for an MCX or MPX barrel, they should be shooters.
In the MPX (just in case you meant that) I suspect the accuracy issues are two reasons mostly. First is that Sig's accuracy in general seems hit and miss for barrels. Second is the MPX's twist rate is 1:10, that's really fast for a 9mm, generally you want a faster twist for a heavier/slower projectile. So the 1:10 twist in the MPX is biased to soft loaded 147 grain match ammo. Since most guys are probably putting 115-124 grain range ammo through them that's not ideal. Most of the 9mm bullseye handguns are using 1:32 twist with hot 115 grain rounds and they usually won't accept anything less than 2" groups at 50yds, most strive for a barrel/load combo that will do 1". That said there's plenty of 1:10 twist barrels that shoot 115gr rounds well, most of the CZ's for example. The MCX/MPX also have crazy fast bolt speeds, which is why they eat normal AR triggers like fat kids eat cake. In fact Geissele tried for 3 years to make a durable MPX trigger, and in the end their solution was to include recoil springs at 35/45/55% heavier than factory to try and slow it down to reduce the trigger damage and to tell the user to use the heaviest one possible that will still cycle. With that violent/fast of a cycling rate it's possible the bullets are more likely to be deformed when chambering or hitting feed ramps.
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Poor Sig. 
They've turned into a dumb gun company that makes dumb guns for dumb people... many of whom then leave them in their truck, with the ubiquitous Sig sticker on the back window, to signal to other bro-country operators that they are one of them, and to let hood rats and petty thieves know which truck will most likely have a burner in it (which is fine, because some of them go off by themselves anyway lol).
They've turned into a dumb gun company that makes dumb guns for dumb people... many of whom then leave them in their truck, with the ubiquitous Sig sticker on the back window, to signal to other bro-country operators that they are one of them, and to let hood rats and petty thieves know which truck will most likely have a burner in it (which is fine, because some of them go off by themselves anyway lol).
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