Something kicking off in Israel

[sirhrmechanic]

At this point, the Israeli's need to go full Pax Romana.

The rockets were fired from some shithole town 10Km inside Lebanese border. Chebaa is the town.

That town should cease to exist. Not a fucking brick standing on another brick. Tell the population they have 2 hours to get out... and then turn the town to dust.

The next shithole town won't let Hezbollah fire missiles. Or maybe it takes 5 towns? Or 10. Or a whole fucking city.

Whatever.

These people need extermination from the face of the earth. They are NOT going to suddenly become peaceful businessmen and scholars. They are defective... bred for thousands of years for this bullshit. You want to be peaceful and a decent part of society? Welcome aboard.

If not, Allah fucking awaits. The world is sick of this shit.

Just like we're sick of having British kids stabbed by Immigrant scum. And our citizens being robbed, killed, raped and driven out of their communities... by similar scum flooding our borders.

Sirhr

 

[theLBC]

 

[W54/XM-388]

At this point, the Israeli's need to go full Pax Romana.

The rockets were fired from some shithole town 10Km inside Lebanese border. Chebaa is the town.

That town should cease to exist. Not a fucking brick standing on another brick. Tell the population they have 2 hours to get out... and then turn the town to dust.

The next shithole town won't let Hezbollah fire missiles. Or maybe it takes 5 towns? Or 10. Or a whole fucking city.

Whatever.

These people need extermination from the face of the earth. They are NOT going to suddenly become peaceful businessmen and scholars. They are defective... bred for thousands of years for this bullshit. You want to be peaceful and a decent part of society? Welcome aboard.

If not, Allah fucking awaits. The world is sick of this shit.

Just like we're sick of having British kids stabbed by Immigrant scum. And our citizens being robbed, killed, raped and driven out of their communities... by similar scum flooding our borders.

Sirhr

I take it neither you nor your family has ever spent any significant time living in Lebanon.

Sure go murder all the innocent Lebanese, a good bunch of whom are actually very good Christians.
(Funny how we don't seem to care if we or the Jews kill a bunch of Christians, just so long as they are a darker skin shade).

The lebanese locals have about as much control over what militant groups do what, as you do over where the CIA is killing folks or overthrowing governments or making a mess around the world, in short zero, they are simply folks with no place to go trying their best to live their lives as various factions from the Iranians, Israelis, Americans, Turks, Saudi Arabians and whatever keep blowing them up all the time.

Where are they supposed to flee to? Have you checked around to see where they could possibly live?
Oh and then you'll be all pissy when a generation grows up wanting revenge. Hell you would want it, this country worships doing revenge for perceived wrongs.

So you want to drive them out of their homes, into the desert to try not to starve to death and destroy everything they have, to make yourself feel good and then are going to whine when another couple generations want blood vengeance for what you did to their families.

Do you think and murdering the locals will do anything at all to stop state level violence done by powerful groups who are just as happy to kill the locals as you are?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I take it neither you nor your family has ever spent any significant time living in Lebanon.

Sure go murder all the innocent Lebanese, a good bunch of whom are actually very good Christians.
(Funny how we don't seem to care if we or the Jews kill a bunch of Christians, just so long as they are a darker skin shade).

The lebanese locals have about as much control over what militant groups do what, as you do over where the CIA is killing folks or overthrowing governments or making a mess around the world, in short zero, they are simply folks with no place to go trying their best to live their lives as various factions from the Iranians, Israelis, Americans, Turks, Saudi Arabians and whatever keep blowing them up all the time.

Where are they supposed to flee to? Have you checked around to see where they could possibly live?
Oh and then you'll be all pissy when a generation grows up wanting revenge. Hell you would want it, this country worships doing revenge for perceived wrongs.

So you want to drive them out of their homes, into the desert to try not to starve to death and destroy everything they have, to make yourself feel good and then are going to whine when another couple generations want blood vengeance for what you did to their families.

Do you think and murdering the locals will do anything at all to stop state level violence done by powerful groups who are just as happy to kill the locals as you are?

Well, as long as they let terrorists live openly among them they are complicit.

They've had generations to clean up their shit. Lebanon (and particularly) Beirut was the jewel of the Mediterranean into the 1960's. Then they let the crazies in. And instead of rebuilding the city as the vacation, investment, beauty spot of the 'Med, they (and that includes the people) have supported a "Kill America. Kill Israel. Kill the Infidels" policy.

And, yeah, the Christian (Druze) and Greek Orthodox and Jewish (still some left) and other groups in Lebanon and the area are so oppressed that it's awful. (Note that the rocket attack on Sunday was against a Druze village in Israel... the kids killed were most likely Christian Arabs).

But if they sit around doing nothing while the terrorists are setting up rockets in their village... instead of going after them with pitchforks, rocks, cell phones, whatever... then then are helping.

War sucks. It sucks when you let it go on for generations. Yup, sucks that innocent people get killed in war. As Sherman said... "War is hell." But get it the fuck over with. That's what Sherman and Grant did. That's what Curtis LeMay and Paul Tibbits did. Yup, lots of 'innocent' Japanese got turned into shadow prints on granite stairs. Sucked to be them. The war ended. More were alive than if it had gone on 2 more years. Schwartzkopf understood it and was merciless to the Iraqis (but not merciless enough to topple Saddam which WAS a political call to leave a stabilizing shitbag in power.)

Everyone else who wants graduated response and endless tit for tat shit that goes on for generations... is just killing for fun or business. Rip the fucking bandage off. Get it done. Get it done with so much violence that noone dares try that shit again.

That was Pax Romana.

Meh... WTF. Never going to happen. Our military is now so weak it's using artillery shells as butt plugs. And our leaders are getting rich on kickbacks for keeping wars running as a money laundering scheme. Hey, as long as it's only brown and slav people killing each other, who cares. My Raytheon stock is doing great.

Sirhr

 

[babyguppy]

I take it neither you nor your family has ever spent any significant time living in Lebanon.

Sure go murder all the innocent Lebanese, a good bunch of whom are actually very good Christians.
(Funny how we don't seem to care if we or the Jews kill a bunch of Christians, just so long as they are a darker skin shade).

The lebanese locals have about as much control over what militant groups do what, as you do over where the CIA is killing folks or overthrowing governments or making a mess around the world, in short zero, they are simply folks with no place to go trying their best to live their lives as various factions from the Iranians, Israelis, Americans, Turks, Saudi Arabians and whatever keep blowing them up all the time.

Where are they supposed to flee to? Have you checked around to see where they could possibly live?
Oh and then you'll be all pissy when a generation grows up wanting revenge. Hell you would want it, this country worships doing revenge for perceived wrongs.

So you want to drive them out of their homes, into the desert to try not to starve to death and destroy everything they have, to make yourself feel good and then are going to whine when another couple generations want blood vengeance for what you did to their families.

Do you think and murdering the locals will do anything at all to stop state level violence done by powerful groups who are just as happy to kill the locals as you are?

Let's ask Carthage.
Let's ask Corinth
There comes a time; when people get fed up of shit.. and start setting examples.
If people are held accountable for the terrorists that are in their country; will the people start holding their LEADERS accountable?
I doubt it; but it's hard to do terrorists shit, if no one is left to do it.
Unfortunate that innocents die because of poor leadership, communism or Alah.
Mao revolution 100 million, Stalin killing 40million +, pol pot killed 25% of his own people's population. Pol Pot died of natural causes.. 4/15/1998 . Nobody took out this evil fk'r

• Carthage: destroyed by Scipio Aemilianus. Fifty thousand Carthaginians were sold into slavery. The land was symbolically salted and the city disassembled. Refounded by Caesar apr 49 B.C.
• Corinth: Mummius put all the men to the sword and sold the women and children into slavery before he torched the city in 146B.C. Refounded by Caesear in 44B.C. as Colonia laus Iulia Corinthiensis.
• Palmyra: destroyed RAZED by Aurelian in 272 A.D..
  • FAFO = The Palmyrene Empire was ruled by Queen Zenobia,
  • In 270, Zenobia rapidly conquered most of the Roman east, attempting to maintain relations with Rome as a legitimate power. In 271, she claimed the imperial title for both herself and her son, fighting a short war with the Roman emperor Aurelian, who conquered Palmyra and captured Zenobia. A year later the Palmyrenes rebelled, which led Aurelian to raze Palmyra.

Palmyrene Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Let's ask Carthage.
Let's ask Corinth
There comes a time; when people get fed up of shit.. and start setting examples.
If people are held accountable for the terrorists that are in their country; will the people start holding their LEADERS accountable?
I doubt it; but it's hard to do terrorists shit, if no one is left to do it.
Unfortunate that innocents die because of poor leadership, communism or Alah.
Mao revolution 100 million, Stalin killing 40million +, pol pot killed 25% of his own people's population. Pol Pot died of natural causes.. 4/15/1998 . Nobody took out this evil fk'r

• Carthage: destroyed by Scipio Aemilianus. Fifty thousand Carthaginians were sold into slavery. The land was symbolically salted and the city disassembled. Refounded by Caesar apr 49 B.C.
• Corinth: Mummius put all the men to the sword and sold the women and children into slavery before he torched the city in 146B.C. Refounded by Caesear in 44B.C. as Colonia laus Iulia Corinthiensis.
• Palmyra: destroyed RAZED by Aurelian in 272 A.D..
  • FAFO = The Palmyrene Empire was ruled by Queen Zenobia,
  • In 270, Zenobia rapidly conquered most of the Roman east, attempting to maintain relations with Rome as a legitimate power. In 271, she claimed the imperial title for both herself and her son, fighting a short war with the Roman emperor Aurelian, who conquered Palmyra and captured Zenobia. A year later the Palmyrenes rebelled, which led Aurelian to raze Palmyra.

Palmyrene Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And not one Carthagenian fired a rocket into Rome...

So there ya go!

Sirhr

 

[babyguppy]

And not one Carthagenian fired a rocket into Rome...

So there ya go!

Sirhr

Carthage would of won that pissing match; if the lazy rich fk'rs would have listened to Hannibal.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Let's ask Carthage.
Let's ask Corinth
There comes a time; when people get fed up of shit.. and start setting examples.
If people are held accountable for the terrorists that are in their country; will the people start holding their LEADERS accountable?
I doubt it; but it's hard to do terrorists shit, if no one is left to do it.
Unfortunate that innocents die because of poor leadership, communism or Alah.
Mao revolution 100 million, Stalin killing 40million +, pol pot killed 25% of his own people's population. Pol Pot died of natural causes.. 4/15/1998 . Nobody took out this evil fk'r

• Carthage: destroyed by Scipio Aemilianus. Fifty thousand Carthaginians were sold into slavery. The land was symbolically salted and the city disassembled. Refounded by Caesar apr 49 B.C.
• Corinth: Mummius put all the men to the sword and sold the women and children into slavery before he torched the city in 146B.C. Refounded by Caesear in 44B.C. as Colonia laus Iulia Corinthiensis.
• Palmyra: destroyed RAZED by Aurelian in 272 A.D..
  • FAFO = The Palmyrene Empire was ruled by Queen Zenobia,
  • In 270, Zenobia rapidly conquered most of the Roman east, attempting to maintain relations with Rome as a legitimate power. In 271, she claimed the imperial title for both herself and her son, fighting a short war with the Roman emperor Aurelian, who conquered Palmyra and captured Zenobia. A year later the Palmyrenes rebelled, which led Aurelian to raze Palmyra.

Palmyrene Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Will you be just as happy about someone else doing that to you and your family when they finally get tired of all the evil that the USA has done around the world and use the same excuse about "well you should have stopped what your government was doing?"

Rome thought they would always be the top dog until well they found out what eventually happens to all empires...

Just because various factions along the times have genocided folks they don't like, does not make it right or excusable or the right thing to do.
Also remember one day you'll be held accountable for all that, in a place where the rulers and nations of humans are of no account.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

They got Shukr... the head of Hezbollah military wing. I think the US had a $5m price on his head.

We should give that to Bibi!

Sirhr

BTW… lots of Marines raising toasts tonite.

Shukr was the mastermind behind the Marine Barracks Bombing.

The $5m has been on his head for 40+ years.

Yeah… and no one turned him in for 40 years. Because they are complicit.

That shit stain is pink mist and I don’t give a crap how many square blocks had to be turned into a parking lot.

You know how many people here on SH lost friends in the embassy bombing?

Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

It’s a good week for taking out the trash.

Ismail Haniyeh - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Kidon got this POS in Iran a few hours ago. Woman hitter.

Last thing he saw was a woman taking him out.

In a great moment of irony!

Sirhr

 

[theLBC]

 

[37L1]

FAFO

 

[theLBC]

i almost took a job in "cutter" 30 years ago...but i didn't want to live in a compound.

 

[theLBC]

US carries out strike in Iraq as regional tensions worsen

Officials said the United States carried out an airstrike in Musayib, in Babil province, but did not provide more details on the location

www.voanews.com

 

[Doctorwho1138]

Will you be just as happy about someone else doing that to you and your family when they finally get tired of all the evil that the USA has done around the world and use the same excuse about "well you should have stopped what your government was doing?"

Rome thought they would always be the top dog until well they found out what eventually happens to all empires...

Just because various factions along the times have genocided folks they don't like, does not make it right or excusable or the right thing to do.
Also remember one day you'll be held accountable for all that, in a place where the rulers and nations of humans are of no account.

Well that ain’t today or in my lifetime. Europe will be the first western civilization to fall to foreign invaders. If one of these countries decided to attack the USA, I would expect the US to go scorched earth and destroy everything we see fit to destroy. You keep poking the bear, expect to get mauled. Your country is responsible for the safety and well being of its citizens and Lebanon is solely responsible for what happened to its own people. Stop harboring terrorists and supporting terrorism, you will be left alone.

 

[lariat]

Well that ain’t today or in my lifetime. Europe will be the first western civilization to fall to foreign invaders. If one of these countries decided to attack the USA, I would expect the US to go scorched earth and destroy everything we see fit to destroy.

Its already happening here. Its called an open border. The US is right there with them. This is especially true given that the criminals are being set free almost immediately upon arrest.

It is happening in your lifetime and today.

 

[theLBC]

A 'Watershed Event': Five Takeaways From Israel's Assassination Of Hamas' Political Leader In Tehran | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[W54/XM-388]

Well that ain’t today or in my lifetime. Europe will be the first western civilization to fall to foreign invaders. If one of these countries decided to attack the USA,

The invading armies are already here just waiting for orders.
You are paying for them with your taxes.

Most folks don't have any clue about how many able bodied, single, men, of the very bad type have been imported into this country, both professionals as well as just thug cannon fodder.

When the order is given to attack, you'll find out what war is like for other countries rather than waxing poetic about things in foreign lands from the safety of your couch. There will be no countries to go invade, the destroyers are already here.

Your government has imported them using your money.

Things are going to get insanely brutal and rough a lot quicker than folks think.
Even Army Jerry might not have all the ammo he needs...

 

[Doctorwho1138]

The invading armies are already here just waiting for orders.
You are paying for them with your taxes.

Most folks don't have any clue about how many able bodied, single, men, of the very bad type have been imported into this country, both professionals as well as just thug cannon fodder.

When the order is given to attack, you'll find out what war is like for other countries rather than waxing poetic about things in foreign lands from the safety of your couch. There will be no countries to go invade, the destroyers are already here.

Your government has imported them using your money.

Things are going to get insanely brutal and rough a lot quicker than folks think.
Even Army Jerry might not have all the ammo he needs...

I am not going to argue that we haven’t been importing some very bad able bodied illegals by the millions into this country. It’s a worldwide phenomenon and we are going to have to deal with those consequences sooner rather than later I am afraid. Europe is in the same if not worse condition. The globalists want nothing more than tear down borders and install a new world order. I believe that and it’s all by design. The Muslims just want that new world order to be predominantly Islam and the world ruled by sharia law.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

Its already happening here. Its called an open border. The US is right there with them. This is especially true given that the criminals are being set free almost immediately upon arrest.

It is happening in your lifetime and today.

What I am saying the USA isn’t going to disappear today or overnight. Yes I agree, we are being infiltrated but the USA as a country isn’t going to disappear overnight but it’s changing. We are importing a new America and it’s not for the better. I agree on that

 

[W54/XM-388]

The globalists want nothing more than tear down borders and install a new world order.

That and get rid of most of the world population...
You can only control so many slaves and then things start getting messy.
They have stated they only need at max about a billion slaves to serve them.

 

[Bullfrog08]

The invading armies are already here just waiting for orders.
You are paying for them with your taxes.

Most folks don't have any clue about how many able bodied, single, men, of the very bad type have been imported into this country, both professionals as well as just thug cannon fodder.

When the order is given to attack, you'll find out what war is like for other countries rather than waxing poetic about things in foreign lands from the safety of your couch. There will be no countries to go invade, the destroyers are already here.

Your government has imported them using your money.

Things are going to get insanely brutal and rough a lot quicker than folks think.
Even Army Jerry might not have all the ammo he needs...

Crazy to think about, huh? Imagine we give them money to buy the weapons they can't even buy in their own countries. They will be used to attack us! The largest Trojan horse ever assembled. Is it millions of militants, no. Is it thousands and thousands, likely yes. It is enough to destabilize our entire country. 9/11 times 100!

 

[lariat]

What I am saying the USA isn’t going to disappear today or overnight. Yes I agree, we are being infiltrated but the USA as a country isn’t going to disappear overnight but it’s changing. We are importing a new America and it’s not for the better. I agree on that

I will submit to you that all of the stupid Civil War talk and movies are pre-programming of the weak-minded to accomplish just that. There is WAY too much activity in the media in that area to not have it be a goal. And I'm not so sure that the whole Trump ear shot wasn't a failed attempt to get that going. If the US can kill itself, so much the better and easier. This is a main reason in my mind that we need to not be getting wrapped up in that ridiculous narrative.

 

[kthomas]

Well, as long as they let terrorists live openly among them they are complicit.

They've had generations to clean up their shit. Lebanon (and particularly) Beirut was the jewel of the Mediterranean into the 1960's. Then they let the crazies in. And instead of rebuilding the city as the vacation, investment, beauty spot of the 'Med, they (and that includes the people) have supported a "Kill America. Kill Israel. Kill the Infidels" policy.

And, yeah, the Christian (Druze) and Greek Orthodox and Jewish (still some left) and other groups in Lebanon and the area are so oppressed that it's awful. (Note that the rocket attack on Sunday was against a Druze village in Israel... the kids killed were most likely Christian Arabs).

But if they sit around doing nothing while the terrorists are setting up rockets in their village... instead of going after them with pitchforks, rocks, cell phones, whatever... then then are helping.

War sucks. It sucks when you let it go on for generations. Yup, sucks that innocent people get killed in war. As Sherman said... "War is hell." But get it the fuck over with. That's what Sherman and Grant did. That's what Curtis LeMay and Paul Tibbits did. Yup, lots of 'innocent' Japanese got turned into shadow prints on granite stairs. Sucked to be them. The war ended. More were alive than if it had gone on 2 more years. Schwartzkopf understood it and was merciless to the Iraqis (but not merciless enough to topple Saddam which WAS a political call to leave a stabilizing shitbag in power.)

Everyone else who wants graduated response and endless tit for tat shit that goes on for generations... is just killing for fun or business. Rip the fucking bandage off. Get it done. Get it done with so much violence that noone dares try that shit again.

That was Pax Romana.

Meh... WTF. Never going to happen. Our military is now so weak it's using artillery shells as butt plugs. And our leaders are getting rich on kickbacks for keeping wars running as a money laundering scheme. Hey, as long as it's only brown and slav people killing each other, who cares. My Raytheon stock is doing great.

Sirhr

You are essentially making the exact same argument OBL used to justify the 9/11 attacks.

 

[kthomas]

It seems like Israel is intent on sparking a broader war. And we will be dragged into it (as Israel fully knows and is counting on).

This is madness. Fuck Israel, this shit is getting insane. If Israel wants to start wars, they should be fully on their own. Not one more weapon or cent should be sent to Israel.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Israel has Nukes and rockets
Iran has rockets and wants to make nukes.

Seems like we just stay out of it and they nuke each other and the world goes on.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

You are essentially making the exact same argument OBL used to justify the 9/11 attacks.

And look at what happened to him. Yeah, it got us involved in wars we didn’t need to get involved with but he and lots of others got what was coming to them. They haven’t tried and succeeded since.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Are we sure its Israel doing all this or are they being pushed into fulfillment of a plan we don't know about, understand, or can't even conceive of, happening?

 

[kthomas]

Anybody who is cheering on escalation and broader war in the Middle East should answer these questions:

What will a broader war in the ME that we are involved in do for Americans? How does this serve the interests of the US people? How do we benefit from another war? How does this make us or the world a safer place?

 

[37L1]

It seems like Israel is intent on sparking a broader war. And we will be dragged into it (as Israel fully knows and is counting on).

This is madness. Fuck Israel, this shit is getting insane. If Israel wants to start wars, they should be fully on their own. Not one more weapon or cent should be sent to Israel.

This was Hamas intent all along when they did October 7th. They had no hope of taking Israel out by themselves.

Put the blame where it lies. Israel is just falling for it, inch by inch, tit for tat. One might also argue that it was OBL's intent when he planned 9/11.

How'd we do?

 

[kthomas]

And look at what happened to him. Yeah, it got us involved in wars we didn’t need to get involved with but he and lots of others got what was coming to them. They haven’t tried and succeeded since.

We spent trillions of dollars and killed millions of people - and for what?

The world is inarguably a much more dangerous place due to our 'War on Terror'.

We also got the TSA, the Patriot Act, and a whole host of other violations of our civil liberties and freedoms.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

Israel has Nukes and rockets
Iran has rockets and wants to make nukes.

Seems like we just stay out of it and they nuke each other and the world goes on.

I wouldn’t care is the entire Middle East just disappeared.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

We spent trillions of dollars and killed millions of people - and for what?

The world is inarguably a much more dangerous place due to our 'War on Terror'.

We also got the TSA, the Patriot Act, and a whole host of other violations of our civil liberties and freedoms.

Who was the winner in all of that?

 

[kthomas]

This was Hamas intent all along when they did October 7th. They had no hope of taking Israel out by themselves.

Put the blame where it lies. Israel is just falling for it, inch by inch, tit for tat. One might also argue that it was OBL's intent when he planned 9/11.

How'd we do?

October 7th didn't happen in a vacuum. Israel commits a plethora of atrocities as well.

While its certainly not justified, I'm wholly unsurprised that an event like October 7th took place.

 

[kthomas]

We was the winner in all of that?

If "we" is the military industrial complex, then yes.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

We spent trillions of dollars and killed millions of people - and for what?

The world is inarguably a much more dangerous place due to our 'War on Terror'.

We also got the TSA, the Patriot Act, and a whole host of other violations of our civil liberties and freedoms.

I disagree. It was as it was before. We are just much more aware of it through social media. And they did it to themselves by supporting terrorists. The erosion of our civil liberties I will agree with you on. That needed to end a long time ago but once you give the government power, they never want to let it go.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

If "we" is the military industrial complex, then yes.

I meant who, but you nailed it. The people of the US are but slaves to be controlled & used.

 

[kthomas]

I disagree. It was as it was before. We are just much more aware of it through social media. And they did it to themselves by supporting terrorists. The erosion of our civil liberties I will agree with you on. That needed to end a long time ago but once you give the government power, they never want to let it go.

I'm not sure how destroying and destabilizing countries in the ME, and spending trillions to do so, benefits Americans.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

I'm not sure how destroying and destabilizing countries in the ME, and spending trillions to do so, benefits Americans.

They are as they have always been. Just keep them out of the west. I honestly say let them kill each other. The Middle East has never known peace.

 

[37L1]

October 7th didn't happen in a vacuum. Israel commits a plethora of atrocities as well.

Well its certainly not justified, I'm wholly unsurprised that an event like October 7th took place.

Well, when are you going to blame the Brits?

Or do you want to go back further than that?

Ishmael perhaps?

One shouldn't be surprised by anything that happens in the ME.

Now tell me whose intent is this, really?

 

[lariat]

And look at what happened to him. Yeah, it got us involved in wars we didn’t need to get involved with but he and lots of others got what was coming to them. They haven’t tried and succeeded since.

And look what happened to the US as a result. Patriot Act, how many billions spent, so many American lives lost and bodies maimed. For what? What exactly did we get out of it of benefit? Afghanistan (Taliban, etc, not the people) came out on top from all of it. China just opened up a new copper mine there, so they are winning too.

Was killing OBL worth what we paid in blood and treasure? Could it have happened in a way that was more efficient? Or was there something else in play? Why did we have to go to Iraq? OBL wasn't there, and ISIS was funded by us.

 

[mosin46]

Well, as long as they let terrorists live openly among them they are complicit.

They've had generations to clean up their shit. Lebanon (and particularly) Beirut was the jewel of the Mediterranean into the 1960's. Then they let the crazies in. And instead of rebuilding the city as the vacation, investment, beauty spot of the 'Med, they (and that includes the people) have supported a "Kill America. Kill Israel. Kill the Infidels" policy.

And, yeah, the Christian (Druze) and Greek Orthodox and Jewish (still some left) and other groups in Lebanon and the area are so oppressed that it's awful. (Note that the rocket attack on Sunday was against a Druze village in Israel... the kids killed were most likely Christian Arabs).

But if they sit around doing nothing while the terrorists are setting up rockets in their village... instead of going after them with pitchforks, rocks, cell phones, whatever... then then are helping.

War sucks. It sucks when you let it go on for generations. Yup, sucks that innocent people get killed in war. As Sherman said... "War is hell." But get it the fuck over with. That's what Sherman and Grant did. That's what Curtis LeMay and Paul Tibbits did. Yup, lots of 'innocent' Japanese got turned into shadow prints on granite stairs. Sucked to be them. The war ended. More were alive than if it had gone on 2 more years. Schwartzkopf understood it and was merciless to the Iraqis (but not merciless enough to topple Saddam which WAS a political call to leave a stabilizing shitbag in power.)

Everyone else who wants graduated response and endless tit for tat shit that goes on for generations... is just killing for fun or business. Rip the fucking bandage off. Get it done. Get it done with so much violence that noone dares try that shit again.

That was Pax Romana.

Meh... WTF. Never going to happen. Our military is now so weak it's using artillery shells as butt plugs. And our leaders are getting rich on kickbacks for keeping wars running as a money laundering scheme. Hey, as long as it's only brown and slav people killing each other, who cares. My Raytheon stock is doing great.

Sirhr

you and wm54 make vg points and are both wrong. EVERBODY in this is wrong. my fear is that our society is so propagandized and balkanized on political,geographic,religious,ethnic,cultural,age,income,racial,sexual issues and differences that all this "come together" talk is just wishful bean breeze. this has been driven by the ruling class for > 150 years. am afraid that it is going to come to the point that the 2 choices are killing any and everyone not in their group or tribe will be 1 solution. the other will be to let them kill you and yours. the historical precedents for this are TNTC.

 

[kthomas]

And look what happened to the US as a result. Patriot Act, how many billions TRILLIONS spent, so many American lives lost and bodies maimed. For what? What exactly did we get out of it of benefit? Afghanistan (Taliban, etc, not the people) came out on top from all of it. China just opened up a new copper mine there, so they are winning too.

Was killing OBL worth what we paid in blood and treasure? Could it have happened in a way that was more efficient? Or was there something else in play? Why did we have to go to Iraq? OBL wasn't there, and ISIS was funded by us.

OBL would have never targeted America if it wasn't for our intensive interventionist foreign policy.

We created OBL, we trained and armed him and his men to fight Russians in one of our many stupid proxy wars. OBL targeted America not "because of our freedom" (an insanely dumb talking point), but because of our interventionist policies in the ME. The only reason why they messed with us, is because we went over there and messed with them.

Now we are probably creating 100+ OBLs with our extensive involvement in the ME. We are not being made safer by our foreign policy.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

You are essentially making the exact same argument OBL used to justify the 9/11 attacks.

All attacks come with similar justifications...

In the end, he is fish food. And I'd not give a shit if anyone who raises a hand at us ends up as shark turds.

America first. Everyone else. We can be nice to them if they are nice to us and useful. Otherwise, we don't give a shit or erase them from the map. But then again, that's why I'm not Secretary of State. I'm way too practical and my view is that diplomats are just there to keep the opposition talking until the snipers are in place. So there is that.

Sirhr

 

[W54/XM-388]

Well, when are you going to blame the Brits?

Or do you want to go back further than that?

Ishmael perhaps?

One shouldn't be surprised by anything that happens in the ME.

Now tell me whose intent is this, really?

Well you can actually blame the British Empire for a lot of all the mess that has been the middle east since WWI
It was pretty much their doing and the fall out from things they specifically created to ensure constant turmoil.

Oh yes and even the whole Israel mess can be blamed on the British and their lying backstabbing self serving ways.

 

[W54/XM-388]

OBL would have never targeted America if it wasn't for our intensive interventionist foreign policy.

We created OBL, we trained and armed him and his men to fight Russians in one of our many stupid proxy wars. OBL targeted America not "because of our freedom" (an insanely dumb talking point), but because of our interventionist policies in the ME. The only reason why they messed with us, is because we went over there and messed with them.

Now we are probably creating 100+ OBLs with our extensive involvement in the ME. We are not being made safer by our foreign policy.

If you want a rabbit hole to go down:

Questions Linger About Bushes and BCCI Bank | Common Dreams

NEW YORK - Now that the U.S. Congress is investigating the truth of President George W. Bush's statements about the Iraq war, they might look into one of his most startling assertions: that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. Critics dismissed that as an invention...

www.commondreams.org

What if what OBL was actually upset about was... Money...

OBL's original version of the 9/11 plan was to take out the Saudi despots in Saudi Arabia...

 

[Doctorwho1138]

And look what happened to the US as a result. Patriot Act, how many billions spent, so many American lives lost and bodies maimed. For what? What exactly did we get out of it of benefit? Afghanistan (Taliban, etc, not the people) came out on top from all of it. China just opened up a new copper mine there, so they are winning too.

Was killing OBL worth what we paid in blood and treasure? Could it have happened in a way that was more efficient? Or was there something else in play? Why did we have to go to Iraq? OBL wasn't there, and ISIS was funded by us.

Yes worth it, just as long as they don’t come back and do another 9/11. If they do, just make it 100 times worse than last time. Eventually it will all come to an end. All bleeding stops eventually.

 

[kthomas]

Yes worth it, just as long as they don’t come back and do another 9/11. If they do, just make it 100 times worse than last time. Eventually it will all come to an end. All bleeding stops eventually.

Unfortunately that doesn't work.

Look at Israel. They've oppressed the shit out Gazans and those on the West Bank. All they are going to accomplish is make more terrorists and Hamas members and supporters.

 

[babyguppy]

The invading armies are already here just waiting for orders.
You are paying for them with your taxes.

Most folks don't have any clue about how many able bodied, single, men, of the very bad type have been imported into this country, both professionals as well as just thug cannon fodder.

When the order is given to attack, you'll find out what war is like for other countries rather than waxing poetic about things in foreign lands from the safety of your couch. There will be no countries to go invade, the destroyers are already here.

Your government has imported them using your money.

Things are going to get insanely brutal and rough a lot quicker than folks think.
Even Army Jerry might not have all the ammo he needs...

I read, that the Chinese already have a Division of men here already.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

Unfortunately that doesn't work.

Look at Israel. They've oppressed the shit out Gazans and those on the West Bank. All they are going to accomplish is make more terrorists and Hamas members and supporters.

If at first you don’t succeed just try and try again. Palestine and other Arabs have been at Israel since its inception. It’s in their blood, they don’t want Israel to exist. Israel while not entirely innocent has done what has needed to be done since it was founded. Otherwise they would cease to exist which is exactly what Palestinians and other Arab nations want.