Assistance Needed: Located collector with AI PSR and Remington MSR -both full Deployment Kits - AI not shot - Rem MSR - .308 lightly shot - Have had 3 Surgeon RACS - no experience with the Rem MSR with Rem Titanium action/changeable bolt heads for caliber conversion. Favor AI for better action + complete bolts vs Rem bolt heads and poor parts availability - Liked RACS chassis--never had an AI - what would be the advantages of the AI? I think there are far fewer of the AI PSR kits around in US. Thx.
Thanks - really like the RACS with AR style pistol grip - for AI - would have to get the grip conversion kit I suspect
I've had every flavor of AI including a couple AXMC's. I own and shoot a RemDef MSR/PSR (full deployment kit) as well. I feel like I can appropriately provide input here.
If you plan on shooting it, there's really only one answer here and it sounds like you are on the same page:
AI for practicality
MSR for cool factor
While I absolutely love my MSR/PSR, the AI is a more practical for actually shooting. Bolts/barrels/mags, while somewhat difficult to source at times, ARE available. The MSR/PSR is going to be next to impossible to source replacement parts.
I may be a bit biased when suggesting the MSR/PSR is a cooler rifle, but the AI PSR looks just like an AXMC with a cerakote job. It's not a bad looking rifle by any means but there's no mistaking the MSR/PSR for what it is and how rare it is. The rifle is exotic, the materials are exotic, the R&D that went into it is exotic. It's completely unlike anything else. I'm a huge RemDef fan and have been following the market and projects that came out of that division for a long time. There's nothing like it and IMO it's the holy grail of the RemDef world.
But...
If I had to have ONE of the two options to sustain my shooting for the rest of my life, I'm picking the AI PSR.
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I guess I'd really only pick the AI PSR in the scenario that I do not have any other AI's. Any AI is worth having and if you don't have one yet, the PSR would be an incredible piece to own that would satisfy the AI itch. You could shoot it without fear of what it would take to replace components.
If you have an AI already (whether magnum or not) I'd absolutely choose the RemDef MSR/PSR. IMO the AI PSR is not unique enough (to me) to separate itself from a normal AXMC that can be had for thousands less. There is no replacing bespoke nature of the RemDef MSR/PSR.
If you're interested in the finer points between the two, I can elaborate further on that but I think the point is the same.
My initial feedback was based on the scenario that you'd be picking only one rifle to shoot for the rest of your life. In that case, I would err on the side of caution and pick the rifle that will be more sustainable to shoot in the long run.
Yeah, careful! All this talk about an unfired AI PSR has me glancing over my shoulder at the revolving door that is my safe haha
Thanks. Want to go in this eyes wide open. You mention "unique" - PSR not unique enough compared to AXMC? But not many PSRs brought into U.S.? Definitely Rem Defense MSR is unique---but then the parts availability you mentioned comes into play--Since you have a MSR - understand about the bolt heads and barrel extensions(which I would want a spare) ) - which could be unobtanium? - do you know is the firing pin for example same as regular Rem 700?
The AI PSR may have only been available in limited quantities but the only differentiators when compared to an AXMC is the finish/cerakote (IR Reducing?) and "PSR" serial number prefix. (someone please correct me if there's something else, but I think that's it). While it would be really cool to have, the value just isn't there for me to seek a PSR and when I can have 99% of the base rifle it in a run of the mill AXMC.
RemDef MSR/PSR deployment kit was also extremely limited in its release. I'm not sure of the actual number but I'm sure it's not far off of the AI PSR figure. I've seen about the same number of each for sale in the past 5 years or so.
MSR/PSR: The bolt heads and barrel extensions pop up rarely or are passed around in certain circles. I'll be buying the next ones that I see or hear of for sale. The firing pin in the MSR/PSR is unique to that action. Additionally it's made from an exotic metal with a unique heat treatment. @AIAW has a dedicated thread on a few of the road blocks most MSR/PSR people experience HERE. I've never seen an MSR/PSR firing pin for sale, however, the deployment kit (sounds like you found one) will come with an extra firing pin assembly. This is the only reason I own the kit I do now. Not sure I would've been willing to acquire it without that piece.
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Not quite what you're looking for, but this is a sage green AT-X chassis with an elite sand AXSR. Like was mentioned. The lighting makes alot of difference with these two colors.
Thanks for the thread and info on the firing pin. You hit the nail on the head - buying a Rem MSR/PSR kit without the firing pin would be a non-starter - with worries about no bolt head
Also just a AX but here is Sage Green. Light makes all the difference
Short and Phat. Just like your MOM!
That someone just bought his third AI yesterday, and now wants a fourthSomeone has learned the error of his ways and is trying to trade his Terminus for an AI.
SOLD - Terminus Zeus qc 18” 308 Bartlein, Manners, Triggertech
Wanting to sell my 18” terminus Zeus build. Build specs are Zeus qc short action, TT diamond, 18” m24 bartlein, bedded in a manners T4A, smithed by Deep South Tactical. Shoots very well with factory hornady eldm and cycles well with AW mags. Asking $3000 shipped to the lower 48.www.snipershide.com
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Had a couple left hand AT’s in Vision chassis. Figured one for each of my boys when I moved onto greener pastures. They’re both right handed and decided they’d rather have the cash for stupid stuff like weddings, etc. I sold them. Kick myself everyday for that. Should’ve just given them the cash and kept my left handed AT’s.
Grabbed this from Mile High. No left handed AT's available but, everyone else in my circle shoots rh except for me. They can use this on range days. I’ll also enjoy it. Also grabbed a lefty ATXC in Sage green, whenever they come in…
AT LE .308 20” factory barrel (unfortunately I/we don’t shoot .308 . It was all that was available).
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I’ll be hanging onto any AI’s I’m fortunate to be able to get. Learned my lesson.
Grabbed this from Mile High. No left handed AT's available but, everyone else in my circle shoots rh except for me. They can use this on range days. I’ll also enjoy it. Also grabbed a lefty ATXC in Sage green, whenever they come in…
AT LE .308 20” factory barrel (unfortunately I/we don’t shoot .308 . It was all that was available).
SPUHR 6002M
ZCO 10 Mil 527MPCT2X NLE
Other accessories
I’ll be hanging onto any AI’s I’m fortunate to be able to get. Learned my lesson.
The ever so dangerous AT LE. Normal civilians can't be trusted to have such a dangerous weapon.
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Not being able to buy the AI LE versions always befuddled me
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I understood the AT LE could be bought with a DD214 but the other LE models required LE agency letterhead.
This was discussed a ways back by @Mile High Shooting.
-Stan
This was discussed a ways back by @Mile High Shooting.
-Stan
@Mile High Shooting and AI being gay AF. Putting the AX stock with the AT and the 16" barrel is super dangerous in the hands of a civilian. Even the new ATXC with a shorter rail and color matched action is too dangerous. Only for those who are donut snipers and the people who can protect us from the invasion can have those things..... But yet, we can go out and buy a ASR chambered in 338LM. lol
I’ve had it about a year and really haven’t shot with it much. But, it is what it I expected from Hensoldt…. Fantastic glass, basic reticle (I’m not a fan of grids and dots and bullshit like that), accurate adjustments, etc. I really can’t say anything negative about it other than the 36mm tube limits mount options. And, the abrupt angle of the objective bell doesn’t allow the ARC diving board to work on the M-Brace. It’s a bit of an odd scope, but I bet I never have to change the battery again!
To play devils advocate, it could be as simple as a cost issue (special price that's been worked out for LEOs) or just the they don't make many and want to keep them in stock for LEOs.
AI is actually doing me a favor by not offering the short AT-XC to us mere civies. All I would do is buy yet another AT-X variant.
Heard a 7axis Dremel gets you there faster
I often thought about buying one after I saw one but the CW adjustment would screw me up.
Glad you are having good luck with it. It is a hell of a scope.
Since AI got the Border Patrol Contract for the AT-X with short forend - wouldn't that be a more updated/better choice for LE compared to the AT LE?
There is a LE version of the ATX. Still short foreend, but full top rail. There is also a LE version of the AXMC...it's called the AXMC MKIII across the pond. Cause they don't want it to interfere with the ASR sales in the US.
Ah thought you were saying they didn't sell them in the US.Oh I know. But us normal peoples can't get one.
Out of context, but i am away from home right now and cant measure. Does anyone know what the inner channel of an AXMC handguard measures? Will a barrel with a contour of 1.450 for 5" then tapered to 1.2 fit? Or is 1.350 the max?
Thanks...
Thanks...
The AXMC and AT-LE can be purchased by retired or current LE or Mil.
It is a contract. We honor contracts.
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what are you trying to id? It's a British proof marked 308 most likely a lothar walther1/12 308
