Pistol ar....lvpo vs red dot

[houndog]

Rob - nope, haven't been in Gaza recently. I freely admit I'm a civilian who in 25 years of shooting have never had to point my gun at another person, and hopefully never will. This is just a fun hobby for me. But a hobby that hopefully has some practical utility should the world go to hell - even if that is a remote possibility. I'd rather be somewhat proficient with my rifle than be a great golfer trying to protect my family with a Titleist and a nine iron. Other than this just being a fun sport/activity/hobby, isn't that why we train - so if we ever find ourselves in the position of actually having to use our rifle/pistol, etc. we don't completely panic and can respond to the situation with at least a minimum level of proficiency.

My point is that being able to hit a freshly painted 2' steel plate at 300 yards with a red dot, on a flat range, in bright sunlight is not a realistic scenario and says very little about how well this set up would perform when conditions are less ideal.

 

[Rob01]

Rob - nope, haven't been in Gaza recently. I freely admit I'm a civilian who in 25 years of shooting have never had to point my gun at another person, and hopefully never will. This is just a fun hobby for me. But a hobby that hopefully has some practical utility should the world go to hell - even if that is a remote possibility. I'd rather be somewhat proficient with my rifle than be a great golfer trying to protect my family with a Titleist and a nine iron. Other than this just being a fun sport/activity/hobby, isn't that why we train - so if we ever find ourselves in the position of actually having to use our rifle/pistol, etc. we don't completely panic and can respond to the situation with at least a minimum level of proficiency.

My point is that being able to hit a freshly painted 2' steel plate at 300 yards with a red dot, on a flat range, in bright sunlight is not a realistic scenario and says very little about how well this set up would perform when conditions are less ideal.

Same with me as I have never pointed my weapon at anyone as a civilian and hopefully never will but I am former LE and USMC so I have in other instances but luckily never had to fire. Being proficient and confident in your weapons handling is very important and why we practice.

I get your point and understand it but a civilian will probably not be taking a 300 yard shot in any conditions and most will be within self defense distances if using the rifle in or around the house as it will be hard in court to say you felt your life was in danger and had to shoot that guy 150 yards away.

 

[houndog]

I hear you Rob. That's why, when the apocalypse comes, there had better be zombies. Finally a liability free way to put into practice those 600 yard head shots we've be perfecting.

 

[rustyinbend]

Funny eye relief is mentioned because right after I posted this I set my stock to the max lop as what the pistol has (also has mini buffer setup) and came to the same conclusion that unless I ran the lvpo in a ridiculous forward offset I wasn't going to make it work

So red dot it is

I've found this to be the case, that in my AR pistols, a red-dot or holographic site is way better than trying to solve for the LPVO eye-relief problem. I like the Vortex AMG UH-1 on my AR pistols, but any red-dot is fine ... doesn't have to be this much of a high-end optic. I got a screaming deal on a couple of them when they were cheaper, so that's what I use.

 

[TonyAngel]

I've found this to be the case, that in my AR pistols, a red-dot or holographic site is way better than trying to solve for the LPVO eye-relief problem. I like the Vortex AMG UH-1 on my AR pistols, but any red-dot is fine ... doesn't have to be this much of a high-end optic. I got a screaming deal on a couple of them when they were cheaper, so that's what I use.

The eye relief with an LPVO on a pistol is only a problem if you didn't set it up right. You can get an extra 3/4 inch of LOP by going with an A5 receiver extension and you can choose an LPVO or other magnified optic with a shorter eye relief. I run two 11.5 pistols. One has a 1-8x NX8 and the other an ACOG with red dot. Not all LPVOs have 4"+ of eye relief and most prism style optics run in the 1.5 to 3" range.

As far as unforeseeable scenarios go, I was talking about problems that I regularly ran into running a red dot. It's been said that not all civilians take shots to 300 yards or beyond. I can tell you that there are many of us that do and do so regularly.

 

[Rob01]

The eye relief with an LPVO on a pistol is only a problem if you didn't set it up right. You can get an extra 3/4 inch of LOP by going with an A5 receiver extension and you can choose an LPVO or other magnified optic with a shorter eye relief. I run two 11.5 pistols. One has a 1-8x NX8 and the other an ACOG with red dot. Not all LPVOs have 4"+ of eye relief and most prism style optics run in the 1.5 to 3" range.

As far as unforeseeable scenarios go, I was talking about problems that I regularly ran into running a red dot. It's been said that not all civilians take shots to 300 yards or beyond. I can tell you that there are many of us that do and do so regularly.

When I said that about 300 yard shots I was talking about self defense or life safety shots. Not hanging at the range shooting steel. Two very different scenarios. I am sure a ton of guys lay at the local range and use their red dots for shooting at 300 yard and beyond steel.