Trump surrenders to AQ Emir

[kalashnikev]

Excuse me... what?

What possible reason could exist for the American President to surrender to the current leader of al Qaeda in Syria?

We're all tracking that the destruction of secular parliamentary democracy in Iraq led to the formation of an Iranian puppet gov in Baghdad and later a Salafist/ Wahabist terror state in the north, with its capital temporarily in Syria.

We're all tracking that AQ blended into "ISIS"/ Daesh, which during the collapse of the Caliphate led to the split where Jabhat al Nusra denied the authority of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi (Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri) and re-pledged their allegiance to AQ and their leadership in the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

What a lot of dudes miss is that Abu Mohammed al Jolani (Ahmed al Sharah) was the Syrian counterpart to Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq, and that as an Emir in AQ, he didn't want to lose his high rank in AQ to be a cog in the machine of the Caliphate.

...and so he changed the name of his Terror Group from Jabhat al Nusra to Jabhat Fatah al Sham to Hayat Tahrir al Sham to... The Government of Syria after his Jihadi Blitzkrieg a few months ago.

So, since then, Trump has been itching to surrender to whoever is in charge over there- as part of the Trump Doctrine of Global Surrender.

PROBLEM, though- the Jihadist massacre has not stopped. Alawites in the coastal region are still being slaughtered by AQ.

So... WHY, I WONDER... would the American President show up in the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, surrender to al Qaeda, and drop all the sanctions?

 

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Maybe because between 2017 into 2020 MBS murdered his way through his own family and the Wahabi Cleric Hiarchy of all the Jihadist elements, and anyone who could possibly challenge the throne? Maybe because he then started implementing modest reforms to slowly change their rotten culture from a backwards and violent one into a more pleasant version that didn't seek to spread Jihad? Granted, it's not as fast as bombing, but it is much more effective and long lasting...

Seeing everything as black and white, and believing war is the first and only answer is really ignorant and childish.

 

[kalashnikev]

Maybe because between 2017 into 2020 MBS murdered his way through his own family and the Wahabi Cleric Hiarchy of all the Jihadist elements, and anyone who could possibly challenge the throne? Maybe because he then started implementing modest reforms to slowly change their rotten culture from a backwards and violent one into a more pleasant version that didn't seek to spread Jihad? Granted, it's not as fast as bombing, but it is much more effective and long lasting...

HAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

So BoneSawMan pulled that Uno-Reverse-Card on you and it worked??!

He clawed his way to the top of the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia through murder and planning and resourcing global jihad... so that he could shut down the Terror-biz and switch to Golf, right?



Who actually falls for this stuff?

The AQ Emir of Syria puts on deodorant and wears a necktie... and the disguise fools everyone?

Even while AQ continues to slaughter today, under his leadership?

Sure, drop the sanctions- send weapons to the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and then play dumb when they all end up scattered across the globe to every AQ franchise, worldwide.

You guys are so gullible, I LOVE IT.

 

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/05/13/trump_to_saudi_arabia_the_nation_builders_wrecked_far_more_nations_than_they_built.html

 

[Makinchips208]

The op

 

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HAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

So BoneSawMan pulled that Uno-Reverse-Card on you and it worked??!

He clawed his way to the top of the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia through murder and planning and resourcing global jihad... so that he could shut down the Terror-biz and switch to Golf, right?



Who actually falls for this stuff?

The AQ Emir of Syria puts on deodorant and wears a necktie... and the disguise fools everyone?

Even while AQ continues to slaughter today, under his leadership?

Sure, drop the sanctions- send weapons to the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and then play dumb when they all end up scattered across the globe to every AQ franchise, worldwide.

You guys are so gullible, I LOVE IT.

Murdering members of your own family, some specifically for supporting terrorism, doesn't seem like a ruse or a misdirection to me. Granted, some of it was probably not ideological and just eliminating threats to his rule, like kings have done for all of history, but why murder Imams and religious leaders? I thought we were told around 2000 that the Saudi Kings had to make nice with the Wahabis so they could stay in power? Seems like that was bullshit, and all we needed was a king who didn't believe their bullshit and didn't want war. I never said MBS was a good guy. I don't forget Kashoggi either. He's a ruthless dictator as his family has been since seizing power, like the Assads were. I'll take them over what we get when the Arab street chooses their own leaders.

Our differences are about first principals. Bad shit happens all over the world. If you want to be a hero then pick up a gun and join the fight of the people who you think are on the side of right. Don't tell us to send our kids to fight so you can feel good about yourself.

Tell me the last massive foreign policy mistake we've made by not going to war and seeking a peaceful means of resolution to our differences?

How many times in the past has Bernie Sanders pointed to Scandinavian Socialism as the model? Have you noticed that he has stopped doing that completely? Do you know why?

 

[Pok]

Finally tapping out. Only the second person I've placed on ignore

 

[kalashnikev]

Murdering members of your own family, some specifically for supporting terrorism, doesn't seem like a ruse or a misdirection to me.

That's an interesting tale, and I'm super curious to know... where did you pick up that narrative?

I thought we were told around 2000 that the Saudi Kings had to make nice with the Wahabis so they could stay in power?

Curious and curiousler.... who told you that?

The House of Saud rules over the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and directly controls all the different AQ franchises globally... and to a lesser extent directs other Sunni Terror Orgs.

With the exception of the Beirut Barracks Bombing back in the old black and white TV days, every single act of terror you can name off the top of your head is Sunni~Salafist/Wahabist and was planned and resourced from inside the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Seems like that was bullshit, and all we needed was a king who didn't believe their bullshit and didn't want war.

SUPER WEIRD because MBS is directing Terror Attacks against the Yemeni people via AQ, the Syrians via AQ, stuff in Africa, Indonesia, the Philippines....

I think the summary would be helpful to you here- MBS directed Trump to make nice with AQ, drop all the sanctions against them, and provide him with weapons to pursue Global Jihad with, via AQ.

But WHY would the American President ever agree to that, and how is he being controlled?

I don't forget Kashoggi either.

No... I think you literally forgot about him... which makes it funny that you would also bring him up out of the blue to discredit your own argument.

Tell me the last massive foreign policy mistake we've made by not going to war and seeking a peaceful means of resolution to our differences?

I guess you forgot about 9/11 also?

 

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Saudi was at war with the Houthis and wanted the deposed government of Yemen back in power. They were at war before Biden made them stop and let the Houthis win. Characterizing that a terrorism pretty much gives away your game. That the word doesn't mean anything the way you use it since you use it interchangeably to characterize any action taken by your "enemies" and against the side for which you pledge your life and property unto death.

Either you are a millennial, or you are like a leftist with no memory. The curse of conservatives (small c)/classis liberals (small l) is that we don't forget shit. Not the reality, and not the narrative the media tries to feed us. When they inevitably don't jibe it makes us more and more skeptical, and reinforces our hatred of government and the warmongering that plagues it like cancer.

 

[Fig]

That's an interesting tale, and I'm super curious to know... where did you pick up that narrative?



Curious and curiousler.... who told you that?

The House of Saud rules over the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and directly controls all the different AQ franchises globally... and to a lesser extent directs other Sunni Terror Orgs.

With the exception of the Beirut Barracks Bombing back in the old black and white TV days, every single act of terror you can name off the top of your head is Sunni~Salafist/Wahabist and was planned and resourced from inside the Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.



SUPER WEIRD because MBS is directing Terror Attacks against the Yemeni people via AQ, the Syrians via AQ, stuff in Africa, Indonesia, the Philippines....

I think the summary would be helpful to you here- MBS directed Trump to make nice with AQ, drop all the sanctions against them, and provide him with weapons to pursue Global Jihad with, via AQ.

But WHY would the American President ever agree to that, and how is he being controlled?

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No... I think you literally forgot about him... which makes it funny that you would also bring him up out of the blue to discredit your own argument.



I guess you forgot about 9/11 also?

You're a dip shit. I'm not discrediting my argument by pointing out the truth. I'm not trying to "beat you"! I could give a fuck about your ignorant ass.

It's not black/white. There aren't any heroes. They're all fucking villians. It's incredibly complex, and making superlative statements about good/evil, right/wrong is infantile, and EXACTLY what makes you want to get us involved violence so very much. It's all fucking gray, and there are no good guys, especially when those guys pick sides and start ignoring facts that aren't comfortable or throw shade on their strongly held opinions.

You're an idealist, and a violent and dangerous one who cheers others going to war. I'm a pragmatist. Making the case that MBS is a brutal dictator who doesn't believe in democracy or human rights is one I concede. Does that make him a villian? YES! Does it make him our enemy? NO!!!!! Those fucking people in that fucking country with those religious beliefs NEED a villian like that to lead them, or they're all going to end up dead like all their fellow travelers who chose Hamas, or Alqueda to be their leaders, P-E-R-I-O-D!

Sometimes the villians ultimately turn out to be the heroes when everyone who was the victim of their villainy is dead and gone, and the world is a better place for it...

The truths we hold to be self evident are the highest expression of mankind. The actual expression of mankind can be very different, and it takes a long time and certain conditions (including alot of struggle) to get there. Our culture and society kicks the crap out of all others in every measurable way, and we have a whole political party bent on destroying it so they can rule. There are way more actual villians and thieves in our own government than there are in most foreign ones.

 

[kalashnikev]

Saudi was at war with the Houthis...

I think I get it now- you just don't know anything about history, or the region.

The Terror Kingdom of Saudi Arabia runs satellite nations with client regimes. It's not very different from the Evil Empire.

MBS operates Kuwait via the al Sabah dynasty, Bahrain via the al Khalifa dynasty, UAE via the al Nayans and al Maktums, plays nice with the Omani al Said dynasty, and... ZOMG! who are these crazy Yemenis???

They walk around with daggers all day and would rather shoot an AQ guy in the face than live in a hellstate where "Doctors" carry out cross-amputation, blinding, paralysis via spinal cord severage, etc at the request of whatever Sunni head chopper MBS installs to rip them off and rule over them.

Yemen is actually a free, though not so prosperous nation, under attack by a neighboring totalitarian Terror State. Sound familiar in the world right now?

I ask again though WHY would the American President surrender to AQ?

It's perfectly obvious why the House of Saud would work to drop any economic sanctions against AQ, arm them with more advanced weapons, and keep their flavor of I-state from being targeted by the violent expansionist J-state...

But WHY would Trump fly to the other side of planet earth to surrender on behalf of the United States?

 

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Yemen is free?

President Saleh WAS working directly with the Saudis and the Americans, exactly as the Houthis accused him of doing, and that makes him bad, and them good?

You don't think since seizing power the Houthis haven't been oppressing and imprisoning the Sunni minority? Since you seem to know everything...

If they're so free and peaceful, why would they seem to do the bidding of Iran, or agree to stop attacking shipping when we threatened Iran?

What sort of neocon drivel are you reading to be so fucking wrong so often?

 

[Redmanss]

Retard says: “The last 24 years of ME foreign policy worked so well, why wouldn’t we continue it?”

 

[rjacobs]

I ask again though WHY would the American President surrender to AQ?


But WHY would Trump fly to the other side of planet earth to surrender on behalf of the United States?

My only take on it is what has fucking with AQ, taliban, et all... gotten us over the past what, 24 years(probably more like 45-50 years)???

It hasnt gotten us much of anything except to fulfill the blood lust of 9/11, which I would argue we did a long time ago, at least when Bin Laden was killed, if he was actually killed that is...

So maybe this change of tact is what is needed, I dont know, but I would argue how we have been treating them for the past 24-50 years hasnt really worked either...

 

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I'm gona start calling you Donny.

 

[mtwarych]

I'm not the smartest Marine in the crayon box but even I know that refusing a gift from the leaders of such countries is an absolute insult to the person offering the gift.

Even a stupid E-4 knows that there would be massive problems arrising from such a stupid move, it's that simple.

President Trump is an honorable leader that was gifted an airplane to use because Boeing isn't capable of producing a new Air Force One in a decent timeframe.

I wonder why our last president wasn't given the same airplane.

 

[Ronws]

This has been 5 minutes in my life that I will never get back and I have only myself to blame.

 

[lash]

This has been 5 minutes in my life that I will never get back and I have only myself to blame.

Ditto.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

I'm not the smartest Marine in the crayon box but even I know that refusing a gift from the leaders of such countries is an absolute insult to the person offering the gift.

Even a stupid E-4 knows that there would be massive problems arrising from such a stupid move, it's that simple.

President Trump is an honorable leader that was gifted an airplane to use because Boeing isn't capable of producing a new Air Force One in a decent timeframe.

I wonder why our last president wasn't given the same airplane.

This 100%...

My only thoughts were "that is cool as heck", and then spent time taking a virtual tour on the slideshow of the plane's interior. The work and design put into it's interior is almost superhuman. That gesture is pure respect and admiration, especially now that humble Orange Man had just made the brutal Red Dragon of the East capitulate and willingly attend multiparty talks on neutral ground (Switzerland) to work out a real functional trade deal, something that no other leader has managed to even REMOTELY do. President Trump is RESPECTED all over the world right now.

Gifts among national leaders is a tale as old as time. Besides, Qatar is one of the oil producing giants. We have been doing business with them, and their neighbors, since the 1950s. The left on the other hand, has real problems to worry about. What were they, and are still conspiring with Zelenskyy and other shadowy figures about behind the backs of the American taxpayers and over the bodies of both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers? It also seems like crack cocaine routinely shows up in large amounts wherever leftist leaders meet. And let's not even get started about Epstein's island and Diddy's Freak Off attendance rosters...

 

[Ric O'shay]

Have you learned nothing about how Trump operates. He is giving them "A Chance" to do the right thing and prosper.
Giving a option is accountable, and reversable. Fuck I hate the entire Middle East, but allowing them to take the right path seems like a smart move.

 

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I think MBS is and has been trying to take that "chance". I think in Saudi Arabia saying "yes" to that is ugly. Maybe in that part of the world if there is going to be any change for the better it isn't going involve our military, but has to be by their own hand. That hand may just be a leader who kills all the hard line Wahabist, and murders or intimidates the large part of the royal family who buy into Wahhabism.

When 9/11 happened the Bush administration flew out a large contingent of Saudi royal family on the first flights. Do you know what they were doing here? You think they were trying to spread hard line Wahhabism? Quite a few of them were dressed in suits (their women in dresses with their hair uncovered) and were partying and buying consumer goods in New York City. This is one of the stated reasons Bin Laden was so against the House of Saud, and wanted to bring down the monarchy, because he considered them all rich heretics, like he was before he found Jihad...

No one is more radically anti-smoking than a former smoker.

 

[Long Range 338]

This has been 5 minutes in my life that I will never get back and I have only myself to blame.

Damn, you went thru all that stupid-speak in 5 minutes? I've wasted at least 10 now.....

 

[Long Range 338]

OP

I'm willing to entertain what I consider TDS ramblings, but you're going to have to back up your conspiracy theories with something more than referencing your own thoughts....

 

[EddieNFL]

OP

I'm willing to entertain what I consider TDS ramblings, but you're going to have to back up your conspiracy theories with something more than referencing your own thoughts....

You obviously do not know how mental illness works.

 

[Downtown]

I do think it's somewhat telling that Mr. Kalishnikev has 500 posts and all seem to be political trolling. Kind of like paid trolls found on other forums.

 

[Ronws]

I think MBS is and has been trying to take that "chance". I think in Saudi Arabia saying "yes" to that is ugly. Maybe in that part of the world if there is going to be any change for the better it isn't going involve our military, but has to be by their own hand. That hand may just be a leader who kills all the hard line Wahabist, and murders or intimidates the large part of the royal family who buy into Wahhabism.

When 9/11 happened the Bush administration flew out a large contingent of Saudi royal family on the first flights. Do you know what they were doing here? You think they were trying to spread hard line Wahhabism? Quite a few of them were dressed in suits (their women in dresses with their hair uncovered) and were partying and buying consumer goods in New York City. This is one of the stated reasons Bin Laden was so against the House of Saud, and wanted to bring down the monarchy, because he considered them all rich heretics, like he was before he found Jihad...

No one is more radically anti-smoking than a former smoker.

It was not just saudis, it was also the bin Laden family. They shared an oil business with GW Bush. Their son, Osama, was recruited by the CIA, etc, etc.

 

[supercorndogs]

It's crazy to see the shift of the left from anti corporate anti war anti government. To war mongering, big pharma worshipping idiots who see the government as the solution to every problem.

 

[375fan]

It's crazy to see the shift of the left from anti corporate anti war anti government. To war mongering, big pharma worshipping idiots who see the government as the solution to every problem.

Ain't that the truth. The Democratic Party still loves to go on about JFK, ironic as JFK and his policies would be seen as a far righty today