Ukraine war Bullshit.
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Uh, I’m US-born-and-bread. You won’t ever find anything I’ve said remotely in-line with the Democrat party.
Everyone who knows me would laugh in your face at this idea.
I’m also a bigger critic of the CIA than anyone you’ll ever meet because I figured out why they’re such a failure of an organization, and gave pointed it out for many years now. They were penetrated by the Soviets before they started. Even the OSS was filled with scores of Soviet moles.
So you won’t see my lapping up CIA talking points. The CIA has been at war with the US from the day it started. Massive swing and miss from you.
Of course Putin didn’t have to invade, but decided to anyway.
You know, the crazy thing about this is that I’ve never seen people become so convinced that a nation who was attacked like this is somehow the one to blame.
You really have to have lost any sense of critical thinking to suck down Russian talking points like this.
The democrats also love Ukraine, you started with a lie
The Saudi nationals were purposely-selected by the Muslim Brotherhood to make the US think it was Saudis doing it, to try to break up the US-Saudi alliance. Read more.
If you don’t have any historical study of what happened to the Ottoman Empire after The Great War, and how the Muslim Brotherhood was formed to reestablish a caliphate some day, none of the current events will make sense.
China harnessed this for their own benefit by influencing Pakistani ISI to fund the MB, who then organized and fed Al Qaeda as the violent wing. Pakistani ISI General Mahmud Ahmed literally provided huge financial resources to Al Qaeda, then came to Washington DC so he could watch the fireworks on 9/11 as he rode around with CIA operative and Congressman Goss.
Guess who obstructed Congress from investigating the real perpetrators of 9/11?
They purposely selected Saudi nationals, but the cell leaders were Egyptian, UAE, Lebanese, and 1 Saudi. Each of these 4 cell leaders was instructed to recruit, train, and lead Saudis for "The Big Event”.
Westerners and especially Americans are not familiar with these types of Eastern false flags, and false flags wrapped in false flags. It is common order of business in Eastern Foreign Intelligence Services.
You’re buying into the Saudi 9/11 perpetrator false flag, but a basic analysis of the nationality of the hijackers shows you clearly what was going on, especially with knowledge of the historical context of the Muslim Brotherhood.
As to Putin, he didn’t want to conquer all of Europe. He planned to expand back into regions that he sees as rightfully-Russia’s, including Finland, the Baltics, Eastern Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, and Ukraine. I told you already I’ve known about this from one of his own foreign ministry secretaries since the mid-2000s.
He never had plans for Western Europe. The sea ports and terrain of Eastern Europe was “all” that he wanted, and claims as Russia’s within Russian intelligentsia.
Now that he demonstrated incompetence and ineptness in Ukraine, the most he can do is strategic vandalism by means of cruise missiles, bombers, surface-to-surface missiles, artillery, and drones. Those are all still very much threats to the nations he planned to target.
are you denying the slaughter of ethnic russian civilians in the donbas for years prior to the response from putin?
how many died as a result of our invasions of iraq and afghanistan, and our funding of terrorists in syria?
how many of those dead people had anything to do with 9/11?
Ha ha! Nobody feeds me anything. Maybe some projection is going on.
Aligning me with the deep state doesn’t work at all either since I recognized deep state actors as enemies to the US well-before the Internet era. Remember my citing of Dope Inc., Kennedy Assassination, Soviet Penetration of US Intelligence, Mafia co-opting of US judiciary/Congress/Law Enforcement?
I’ve written very length historical dissertations on all of this dating back decades now where I assert based on a lifetime of research that:
I. Organized crime from European nations and immigrant communities, including England, Sicily, and Italy established themselves in the US at various periods from the 1800s-early 1900s, forming much of the Deep State, by paying-off and buying politicians.
II. Soviets penetrated the US diplomatic, academic, political, and military communities since the 1920s, co-opted the OSS and later Central Intelligence Agency when it was formed in 1947, then expanded their senior-level moles in those institutions through natural recruitment under guise of legitimate hiring.
III. Once Mockingbird was launched by the CIA to combat the Soviet IOJ, they co-opted it as well, leading to generations of anti-American propaganda mass-printed and broadcast to the US people to demoralize and destabilize them through our own information channels.
IV. Multiple US Presidents have literally been on Soviet or Russian payroll, along with the rising Chinese bribing programs, regardless of political party affiliation. I have seen the bribery-funded bank accounts in Chiasso Switzerland, as well as the corporate mergers used by the smarter crime families to transfer US technology to China (example: Neil Bush).
The problem is you can’t make your accusations fit of me being aligned with deep state actors, when I’ve been a critic and identifier of deep state activities for so long, when it could even get you killed. They were killing people left and right in DC when I was stationed there, and continued to do so up through the 2016 campaign with Seth Rich.
It keeps coming back for a pro-Russia Putin apologist throwing wild accusations against the wall, thinking they will stick, but none of them do.
I grew up in DoD and have very intimate experience from seeing how things work within the US DoD across aerospace and land forces perspectives at different stages of my life. But I’ve also been a huge critic and whistleblower of waste, fraud, and abuse that negatively affected my career.
I have literally filed formal complaints that led to investigations and cover-ups, some of which are still ongoing.
I’ve literally been calling out USAID before most people had even heard of it, and before most here were ever born.
Remember me literally citing well-known people who worked for USAID, like Obama’s whore communist mother Stanley Dunham, Sylvia Hoke’s husband, John Hoke (Sylvia Hoke was Ruth Paine’s sister, and Ruth Paine is where Marina Oswald and the babies were living in Dallas when JFK was assassinated. Sylvia Hoke was a CIA researcher working at Langley at the time.)
I’ve literally seen indications dating back decades that our enemies have found a way to tap into USAID funds, to finance their own intelligence operations with the same laundering network used by Congressmen and Presidents.
Another giant swing and a miss.
You really will have to come to face the reality that you’re on the wrong side of this topic, and have been from the start just because Biden was President when Putin invaded in 2022, and botched his job of removing Zelensky.
Have you ever considered that you’re just not well-informed about any of this? Posting Til Tok and Twitter feed from Russian disinformatsia does not an educated person make.
perhaps i have misjudged your position in support of this proxy war. or maybe not.
your claims that you did this or that are just your claims.
informed about what? nazis in ukraine?
i share anything that doesn't seem to fit the mainstream narrative in the interest of exposing myself and others to alternative opinions.
it is up to you (and me) to decide which side is closer to the truth.
Notice there was no warfare in Donbas prior to 2014? Weird, right?
What changed? Putin lost his puppet, Yanukovych, in March 2014 when Yanukovych fled after 4 months of protests.
Then all-of-a-sudden, attacks started happening in Donbas. Who launched these attacks?
Same guys who launched the attacks in Georgia in 2008. Russian false flags designed to trigger a “peace-keeping force” to come in made up of regular Russian army forces.
Ukrainians weren’t trying to ruin their chances of establishing formal trade relations with the Eurozone, and the cat ladies in Euro parliament weren’t going to bless-off on a country with ethnic infighting.
So no, I’m not denying that Putin slaughtered ethnic Russians as a pretext for the 2014 Donbas invasion. I know the MO, as it dates back throughout Russian history anytime they want to attack a place that isn’t attacking them.
That’s why they had 47 camouflage patterns and uniforms prior to Ratnik, each of those matching the neighboring country so VDV can don them, go in and raid a village and kill a bunch of Russians, while claiming it was the bordering nation.
Russian history 101. I’ve been collecting uniforms for a long time, and even have Russian copies of Finnish M05 winter pattern covers that were made for the same purpose.
Go do a search on Nazis in Ukraine and set the date range to end up to 2013......crickets.
Now do a search for neonazis in Russia committing crimes left and right, again limiting the date range up to 2013. Multiple hits.
Then look at photos of Putin with the Russian neonazi motorcycle gang as an honorary member, Night Wolves.
It sounds crazy, but there has been a resurgence of neonazism in Russia in the 1990s-present, based on various ethnic-cleansing desires of Russian nationalists. These guys have a Neo-pagan Russian nationalism mindset of wanting to cleanse Russia of their own version of untermensch. They are huge supporters of Putin, and he was proud to be an honorary member:
The whole claim of denazifying Ukraine is hilarious if you had followed any of this stuff over the years prior to the invasions. I specifically remember Russian neo-nazi attacks, murders, and other crimes within Russia prior to 2008 even.
Hi, Dude what are you talking about LLRP52 is the expert in every thing. Just ask him he will tell you a flawless story.
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Juan
This mother fucker literally tried selling the story of massive, multi KM structures under the Great Pyrimd.
He's a bullshit artist.
Theis finally made it into big leagues *Note this is just stuff that was not delievered, no one is bothered by stuff that was sold gold plated like 3000$ chinese AKs , and 1$ , suplus ak ammo , second note Ukraine's defense procurement(stuff they actualy pay ) is worth only about 6-8billion $
Ukraine has paid US$770 million for weapons it has not received
Documents obtained by the Financial Times show that Ukraine has lost at least US$770 million in advance payments to foreign intermediaries for weapons that have never been delivered over the three years of the war.One illustrative case was the story of 28-year-old American Tanner Cook from Arizona, the owner of a small gun shop on the outskirts of Tucson.
Cook's company, OTL, was awarded a €49 million contract in 2022 to supply ammunition to the Ukrainian army. Ukraine paid €17.1 million in advance, but the ammunition was never delivered.
FT: Ukraine paid $770 million for weapons it never received. Kyiv bought weapons from a seller linked to the PMC “Wagner”
A Financial Times investigation has shown that since 2022, Ukraine has lost $770 million in advances for weapons that foreign suppliers never shipped.
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Ignore all uke political prostitutes posters and do not reply to their shit. I've done it a long time ago.
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I object.
"Peaceful citizens" do not hang flags of other countries on the administration building, they do not shoot at legitimate police and pro-Ukrainian protesters , do not kill the Deputy of the local parliament V. Rybak
A few years ago, there was a photo online of him being found in a river after being tortured, with his stomach ripped open. Then, apparently for ethical reasons, the photo was removed.
Peaceful people don't do that, separatists do that, fueled by Russian Mongoloids.
And they must all be destroyed like the plague.
The irony is that it was precisely the "Russian World" that they so desired that destroyed them, not Ukraine.
After all, the fighting of this war took place precisely in the territory of the eastern regions and the catastrophic consequences were primarily there.
Tortured to Death for Defending Ukraine’s Flag and Ukrainian Unity
It is three years since Volodymyr Rybak was abducted by Kremlin-backed militants when he tried to remove the flag of the so-called ‘Donetsk people’s republic’ from the seized Horlivka city council building. His tortured and mutilated body was found 5 days later, together with that of 19-year-old...
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Tortured to Death for Defending Ukraine’s Flag and Ukrainian Unity
It is three years since Volodymyr Rybak was abducted by Kremlin-backed militants when he tried to remove the flag of the so-called ‘Donetsk people’s republic’ from the seized Horlivka city council building. His tortured and mutilated body was found 5 days later, together with that of 19-year-old student Yury Popravka.
I hope you get paid for this baseless lie that you post here every day, otherwise I feel sorry for you.
none of this would have happened if not for the coup by nuland and the cia, which is again another reason we should not be contributing.I object.
"Peaceful citizens" do not hang flags of other countries on the administration building, they do not shoot at legitimate police and pro-Ukrainian protesters , do not kill the Deputy of the local parliament V. Rybak
A few years ago, there was a photo online of him being found in a river after being tortured, with his stomach ripped open. Then, apparently for ethical reasons, the photo was removed.
Peaceful people don't do that, separatists do that, fueled by Russian Mongoloids.
And they must all be destroyed like the plague.
The irony is that it was precisely the "Russian World" that they so desired that destroyed them, not Ukraine.
After all, the fighting of this war took place precisely in the territory of the eastern regions and the catastrophic consequences were primarily there.
Tortured to Death for Defending Ukraine’s Flag and Ukrainian Unity
It is three years since Volodymyr Rybak was abducted by Kremlin-backed militants when he tried to remove the flag of the so-called ‘Donetsk people’s republic’ from the seized Horlivka city council building. His tortured and mutilated body was found 5 days later, together with that of 19-year-old...khpg.orgTortured to Death for Defending Ukraine’s Flag and Ukrainian Unity
It is three years since Volodymyr Rybak was abducted by Kremlin-backed militants when he tried to remove the flag of the so-called ‘Donetsk people’s republic’ from the seized Horlivka city council building. His tortured and mutilated body was found 5 days later, together with that of 19-year-old student Yury Popravka.
I hope you get paid for this baseless lie that you post here every day, otherwise I feel sorry for you.
The CIA forced Putin to record the well-known video where he announces the start and reasons for a special military operation?
Could it be that they also wrote him the Munich speech?
I didn't know such details.
You should post more info, it's an information bomb.
I respect this approach.
One American Pavlo Shtepa, a historian, in the late 60s-70s also wrote a thorough work about what is now called the Deep State, and also about the infiltration of most American institutions by the Bolsheviks and then by the Communists.
The work is thorough with many references to sources and very interesting. It is written in Ukrainian because Shtepa is an ethnic Ukrainian and he wrote about a topic that was well known to him while in the U.S. When such a complex topic is mastered by a non-ethnic character, it inspires respect.
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There was no coup, and this is easily proven:
Yanukovych fled on his own, back to.....Putin, which confirmed he was a Putin puppet all along.
He wasn’t thrown-out, assassinated, arrested, or anything resembling a coup.
It’s important to know the basic definitions of words, so your argument isn’t easily invalidated.
Putsch: A sudden attempt by a group to overthrow a government.
Coup d’etat: The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority.
Revolutionary coup d’etat: A sudden and often violent overthrow of an existing government, typically led by a small group aiming to replace the current leadership and implement significant political or social changes.
Notice that the majority Ukrainians voted 79% in favor of normalizing trade with the Eurozone, even if they didn’t become EU members, they wanted to exchange goods and services for a more valuable currency than worthless Russian ruble trash.
They protested in the streets on their own for 4 months with Euromaiden when Yanukovych signed Putin’s Russia-Eurasia Economic Pact instead, because they knew it went in the opposite direction of their national ambition. Putin knew if Ukraine became wealthy through EU trade, they would move farther away from his control and influence, and EU institutions would have the ability to inspect and audit his money-laundering apparatuses and human-trafficking.
The Ukrainian parliament and their system didn’t change. They merely rejected an imposter puppet who was doing the bidding of a foreign nation and its dictator, Russia.
There was no coup. You can’t make the definition of any type of coup fit what happened in 2014. It just doesn’t work.
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wrong again.
once a decent amount of natural gas was found, the "west" had planned to take over and exploit it.
the added benefit was being able to hurt the russian economy by replacing their natural gas sales to the eu.
they had already invested billions... but when yanu decided to stick with russia, he had to be replaced.
national ambition? don't confuse the western ukrainians that are brainwashed and bribed by usaid/soros with the "national ambition".
you know how i know i am on the side of good? because george soros fights for the other side (along with you).
we can say the same for clinton, kerry, mccain, graham, klobuchar or any of the other slimes that promoted this war for years.
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yes,i must apologize for wasting band width replying to these deep state neocons and their claims to omniscience. i'm done i promise.
For the benefit of those of us who don't speak Dill and don't have the brain of a squirrel, can you translate this word salad from Hohol jibberish to English?
To answer why the US has interests in containing this mess Putin created, it’s quite simple:
We don’t want to be pulled into an Article 5 situation where US soldiers are committed to some type of major escalation of force in Europe.
This is true whether Republican or Democrat, Neocon or Neoliberal, War Hawk or anti-war type of WH. Nobody with any degree of political clout in the US is talking about wanting to escalate a war in Europe.
So containing it to Ukraine makes perfect sense for the US and the weak Europeans, who have neglected their defense spending for generations now. Weakness invites predatory adventurists like Putin, because they think there will be minimal resistance.
We have to show strength and deterrence. The fact that Russia is kept in-check with our outdated, obsolete weapons that we scheduled for de-mil decades ago, should be enough to make Putin pause about pushing his luck.
We don’t want to be pulled into an Article 5 situation where US soldiers are committed to some type of major escalation of force in Europe.
This is true whether Republican or Democrat, Neocon or Neoliberal, War Hawk or anti-war type of WH. Nobody with any degree of political clout in the US is talking about wanting to escalate a war in Europe.
So containing it to Ukraine makes perfect sense for the US and the weak Europeans, who have neglected their defense spending for generations now. Weakness invites predatory adventurists like Putin, because they think there will be minimal resistance.
We have to show strength and deterrence. The fact that Russia is kept in-check with our outdated, obsolete weapons that we scheduled for de-mil decades ago, should be enough to make Putin pause about pushing his luck.
No, your definitions of coup are simply incorrect and invalid. Just because Putin said so does not make it true.
He said he was just doing a training exercise with strategic forces before the invasion, another giant lie.
The rediscovery of the oil fields in Western and Eastern Ukraine, along with offshore near Odessa represented a threat to Putin’s stranglehold on Europe, so he had a vested interest in making sure there was no regional competition with the gas pipe infrastructure already in-place to supplant Russian energy.
There was no USAID when Stalin committed the Holodomor against Ukraine. The main driving history between Ukraine and Russia is really rooted in the genocide they suffered in the early 1930s. Retards in the US and West who don’t even know their State history are ignorant of European history, but I can tell you Ukrainians never forgot the Holodomor.
They didn’t need any convincing to do anything from foreign interests, and Russia was more-embedded in Ukraine’s institutions than anyone else by a mile.
No, you are easily-misled and on the side of evil on this one, out of either ignorance or being a paid Russian bot.
Kerry was literally financially benefitting from Russian bribes, which he has done throughout his career. His stepson was literally a business partner of Hunter Biden’s with Rosemont Seneca.
Clinton’s literally have been taking bribes from Russia for generations. This started no later than the mid-1980s, where they compromised the NSA’s bank surveillance program encryption codes and provided those to Russia, China, and other nations’ foreign services through safe deposit boxes in Switzerland. That’s something I’ve tracked for decades now ever since Vince Foster was assassinated. I started looking deep into it in 1993 and never stopped. Where were you in 1993?
I’ve been calling for the covert execution of George Soros for the better part of the last 18 years.
So you swung and missed again, again, again, and again.
Literally none of the merits are on your side on this issue.
You have to start letting that sink in, that you’ve been propagandized by Russian BS.
There is no other explanation for it, unless you’re paid.
Based on the endless posts about this, it seems like a full-time job for you, looking at the dates and times. Do you ever have time to work in the day?
these damn Finns. what Aimo Koivonen was to skiing while on drugs, LARPER is to posting.
dude. hunter's employer, burisma was going to get significant contracts to exploit those resources.
burisma donated $300k to the atlantic council, which is anti-trump and at the heart of the deep state.
ukraine and soros are at the heart of evil, and you're a supporter.
ukraine is the base for the company that blamed russia (falsely) for the dnc hack...
ukraine attacked trump's election with false russia bullshit...
Newly Unredacted Documents Show Joe Biden Was Negotiating Oil, Gas Deal to Benefit Hunter and Burisma Through Private Email Account | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
Newly uncovered documents raise critical questions about former Special Counsel Robert Hur's apparent oversight of President Biden's use of pseudonym email accounts, suggesting a potential deliberate omission in the investigation of classified information.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
and adam schiff is on your team too!
fucking ukraine has been stealing our money or laundering it for dirty politicians for too long.
the more i argue with you (thanks), the more i want russia to destroy the current regime instead of allowing it to survive.
this was that bribe that biden offered them for dropping the burisma case. us fucking aid.
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The flag waving koolaid drinkers are strong in this thread,... Forrest Gump was spot on,...
"I’ve written very length historical dissertations on all of this dating back decades now where I assert based on a lifetime of research that"
"I grew up in DoD and have very intimate experience from seeing how things work within the US DoD across aerospace and land forces perspectives at different stages of my life"
And there's your problem!
Hardly the ringing endorsement it would seem. Plenty of idiots holding high ranking positions and letters after their names that are detached from reality. I'm sure Blinken, Sullivan etc have sparkling resumes.
Hitting the word count limiter on every post doesn't press home your intellectual superiority.
Maybe approach the State Department for a consultancy role if they haven't head hunted you already.
Give the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V keys a rest.
Plenty of blokes on here with a modicum of common sense and real world experience that have a very different assessment of reality.
"I grew up in DoD and have very intimate experience from seeing how things work within the US DoD across aerospace and land forces perspectives at different stages of my life"
And there's your problem!
Hardly the ringing endorsement it would seem. Plenty of idiots holding high ranking positions and letters after their names that are detached from reality. I'm sure Blinken, Sullivan etc have sparkling resumes.
Hitting the word count limiter on every post doesn't press home your intellectual superiority.
Maybe approach the State Department for a consultancy role if they haven't head hunted you already.
Give the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V keys a rest.
Plenty of blokes on here with a modicum of common sense and real world experience that have a very different assessment of reality.
dude. hunter's employer, burisma was going to get significant contracts to exploit those resources.
burisma donated $300k to the atlantic council, which is anti-trump and at the heart of the deep state.
ukraine and soros are at the heart of evil, and you're a supporter.
ukraine is the base for the company that blamed russia (falsely) for the dnc hack...
ukraine attacked trump's election with false russia bullshit...
Newly Unredacted Documents Show Joe Biden Was Negotiating Oil, Gas Deal to Benefit Hunter and Burisma Through Private Email Account | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
Newly uncovered documents raise critical questions about former Special Counsel Robert Hur's apparent oversight of President Biden's use of pseudonym email accounts, suggesting a potential deliberate omission in the investigation of classified information.
and adam schiff is on your team too!
fucking ukraine has been stealing our money or laundering it for dirty politicians for too long.
the more i argue with you (thanks), the more i want russia to destroy the current regime instead of allowing it to survive.
this was that bribe that biden offered them for dropping the burisma case. us fucking aid.
If anyone knows Ukraine it’s the SLC Mormon bro, just give up LBC
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How is it possible to read someone's post, completely ignore every simply explained and valid point, and your only argument is that other people are brainwashed and... Soros Clinton? Is it early onset dementia or mental illness?
And all those in the west who wanted & pushed Russia into this cluster fuck. Plus the fan boys who are either paid or so drunk on the Koolaid, they can't or are unable to think for their selves.
The ukes are pulling out their ace in the hole. Females, cuz they are running out of men to die? How long before they draft them?
It's the NY Times so take that for what it is
It's the NY Times so take that for what it is
Well,... time has proven you don't have to led woman & children as much, no matter their conveyance. That in its self, should shorten this western instigated conflict.
it's only genocide if it happens to the Juice. not if they are the ones organizing it.
but damn, do they hate Slavs though. probably more than germans.
Why the huge populate skew towards females at older age? Do the men all drink themselves to death?
In any case, unless all those men have fled the country to avoid conscription, there should be plenty of bodies left to throw at the front lines.
In any case, unless all those men have fled the country to avoid conscription, there should be plenty of bodies left to throw at the front lines.
i would understand if ukrainians are bitter that the eu pushed them into this unwinnable war...and let them be slaughtered....
but we should also be cautious when we read that a "ukrainian man" did this or that...
...because this is what they call a "maryland man".
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