Artificial intelligence (AI)

[teknikallysekure]

You have a serious ego problem that doesn’t allow you to see reality. But you do you.

NGL man I've never met a welder that wants their kids to follow in their footsteps. Every single Software Engineer on the other hand is trying to teach their poor 8 year old how to program robots with Python.


Either way I'm guessing most of the people working in trades don't want a flood of extremely smart and skillful people suddenly competing with them for jobs. Most blue collar work takes a while to learn but almost none of it is rocket science and so long as it pays well enough to live that's sort of what we're talking about isn't it?

Automating away all the white collar work isn't going to be great for anyone.

The concept of "my job is too hard for someone else to learn how to do" is not the flex people think it is. Often these jobs are a LOT easier than people think they just SUCK and that's why noone really wants to do them.

 

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NGL man I've never met a welder that wants their kids to follow in their footsteps. Every single Software Engineer on the other hand is trying to teach their poor 8 year old how to program robots with Python.


Either way I'm guessing most of the people working in trades don't want a flood of extremely smart and skillful people suddenly competing with them for jobs. Most blue collar work takes a while to learn but almost none of it is rocket science and so long as it pays well enough to live that's sort of what we're talking about isn't it?

Automating away all the white collar work isn't going to be great for anyone.

The concept of "my job is too hard for someone else to learn how to do" is not the flex people think it is. Often these jobs are a LOT easier than people think they just SUCK and that's why noone really wants to do them.

You are showing your age and your hubris old man. I’ve met and worked with people in all sorts of trades recently that are young, hot and extremely good at what they do. And the make a great living, even though they chose a trade versus the easy way today of college. Amazingly they were never software engineers!

In contrast most software engineers I’ve met and worked with were generally lazy and soft.

At 43, you are already past your prime and there are actual good hot shots that will be moving you onward already in the pipeline.

Your hubris speaks for itself.

 

[teknikallysekure]

You are showing your age and your hubris old man. I’ve met and worked with people in all sorts of trades recently that are young, hot and extremely good at what they do. And the make a great living, even though they chose a trade versus the easy way today of college. Amazingly they were never software engineers!

In contrast most software engineers I’ve met and worked with were generally lazy and soft.

At 43, you are already past your prime and there are actual good hot shots that will be moving you onward already in the pipeline.

Your hubris speaks for itself.

Not sure why you're making this personal I put a trigger warning ahead of the joke.

What does being hot have to do with anything? Are you talking about hot dudes in the trades?

Let me know next time you work with a welder who is willing to work 10-15 hours a week of overtime without any overtime pay(basically standard in any sort of software engineering role that pays even a decent wage).

One field you get paid LESS the longer it takes you to do something, the other you get paid MORE the longer it takes. Seems like the lazy people you met probably didn't have the good paying jobs. For sure I'm 43 now and building software is tough for us old guys. Maybe I'll retire and go back to a nice simple job in the trades

 

[JoshPutman]

Brain scientist have said that one of the easiest things a person can do to help with brain health is to vary their commute route. You pay more attention (and literally build neuro-connections) when you don’t know where you are going.

 

[DocRDS]

My personal pet peeve and conferences: "We asked ChatGPT to do X" As unofficial AI dude and official Asshat in AI (TM) I assume you are a lazy worthless sack of flesh and may even stop by to humiliate your lack of knowledge. Chat GPT (or any other LLM) can't compete with real expertise. Looks cool, but its just predicting the next likely word. THink of it as autocomplete on steroids.

Prompt Engineering isn't AI. That's like saying "I'm a mechanic because I can drive a car"

Also as the official Asshat in AI i can state "There is more hype for AI than a 6.5 Creedmoor with heat seeking ballistic tips"

As a further reminder--all that training is done on public data scrapped from the web. Like the Bear Pit. Or the Democratic Underground. Lots of people want on the AI train. The true geeks (like me) love their matrices and partial differentials. THe rest of them are posers who want the latest cool thing and are basically attention whores. I'm failing a bunch of students for using ChatGPT to wrtite their reports. Its just lazy.

I also had an excellent discussion with someone on how he had discovered that when AI was used to machine parts and then sent to the humans for refinement, the humans did WORSE as they became reliant on the AI. When they stopped the AI from performing so well, productivity/quality went back up.

Life is pain
Everyone else is selling something. (Probably your personal data!)

/soapbox off
Love my job, but many the hyper cycle and clingers really get to me some days.

 

[Ironman1959]

Unplug it.

I also tested chat gpt as part of our ai staff meeting. I asked it a simply question about data science and got back a perfectly bland bullshit answer. It looks good, but when you dig in, you see the flaws.

Here's a good example: one thing these models do is called question and answer. You feed an article and a question and the AI answers. So feed it an article about the most recent super bowl and then ask "who was world series mvp" and watch it shit itself.

I know AI seems really cool, but around the edges is a lot of work to do. A lot of people preach doom and gloom but they are not AI people. Consider it takes Billions of training examples for AI to learn versus a humans 1-10. And a human can extrapolate. Ai can only copy

Gibbs would shoot it. That's how you kill it.

 

[teknikallysekure]

My personal pet peeve and conferences: "We asked ChatGPT to do X" As unofficial AI dude and official Asshat in AI (TM) I assume you are a lazy worthless sack of flesh and may even stop by to humiliate your lack of knowledge. Chat GPT (or any other LLM) can't compete with real expertise. Looks cool, but its just predicting the next likely word. THink of it as autocomplete on steroids.

Prompt Engineering isn't AI. That's like saying "I'm a mechanic because I can drive a car"

Also as the official Asshat in AI i can state "There is more hype for AI than a 6.5 Creedmoor with heat seeking ballistic tips"

As a further reminder--all that training is done on public data scrapped from the web. Like the Bear Pit. Or the Democratic Underground. Lots of people want on the AI train. The true geeks (like me) love their matrices and partial differentials. THe rest of them are posers who want the latest cool thing and are basically attention whores. I'm failing a bunch of students for using ChatGPT to wrtite their reports. Its just lazy.

I also had an excellent discussion with someone on how he had discovered that when AI was used to machine parts and then sent to the humans for refinement, the humans did WORSE as they became reliant on the AI. When they stopped the AI from performing so well, productivity/quality went back up.

Life is pain
Everyone else is selling something. (Probably your personal data!)

/soapbox off
Love my job, but many the hyper cycle and clingers really get to me some days.

I go back and forth on it.

Agents do in fact have the ability to plan and act, and give some agency to what is largely a stochastic parrot. Prompt engineering may well unravel far more effective answers but honestly the difference between someone who knows how to leverage a GPT to design ideal optimal prompts for specific models gets responses unlocked that are radically different than what ordinary users are experiencing.

I'm at AI hackathons and conferences all the time and I routinely see senior engineers that haven't a fucking clue how to get anything of value out of o3 or opus 4.

Also, is all the data public seems like that's a stretch

It's going to make an entire generation of students morons, but man I've got my agents paying eachother for access to resources now there's no turning back.


AI is not going to take everyone's jobs, but someone who actually knows how to use it doing 10-20 to 100 people's jobs most certainly will.

If you have multiple agents working in concert and one of them is designing your prompt while the others are acting as a sort of QA blockade against the model outputs things start refining themselves to something very reliable in short order.

 

[Longshot231]

What's going to get frightening really fast is when generals rely on AI to win battles. It could be a scenario whereby AI wins in all the battle simulations but loses when it comes to the real thing.

Or it wins several real battles but loses a real important battle. IIRC, Custer was never defeated until the Little Big Horn.

 

[teknikallysekure]

What's going to get frightening really fast is when generals rely on AI to win battles. It could be a scenario whereby AI wins in all the battle simulations but loses when it comes to the real thing.

Or it wins several real battles but loses a real important battle. IIRC, Custer was never defeated until the Little Big Horn.

Palantir AI it appears guided the vast majority of bombs Israel dropped on Palestinian civilians over the last year.

Won't be surprised at all when that sort of magic makes it way home.

 

[XikoPlavi]

NGL man I've never met a welder that wants their kids to follow in their footsteps. Every single Software Engineer on the other hand is trying to teach their poor 8 year old how to program robots with Python.


Either way I'm guessing most of the people working in trades don't want a flood of extremely smart and skillful people suddenly competing with them for jobs. Most blue collar work takes a while to learn but almost none of it is rocket science and so long as it pays well enough to live that's sort of what we're talking about isn't it?

Automating away all the white collar work isn't going to be great for anyone.

The concept of "my job is too hard for someone else to learn how to do" is not the flex people think it is. Often these jobs are a LOT easier than people think they just SUCK and that's why noone really wants to do them.

World would shit it’s self if an IT. Infrastructure union ever became reality. Cant have software without infrastructure

 

[teknikallysekure]

World would shit it’s self if an IT. Infrastructure union ever became reality. Cant have software without infrastructure

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