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Titanium sleeve barrels

Hecouldgoalltheway

Hecouldgoalltheway

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    I just got the 4th of July email from ER Shaw, popped over to their site, and they are now offering barrels wrapped in a titanium sleeve, much like a carbon fiber barrel. They look great in the pictures, cost less than cf barrels, and I could easily see why titanium would be superior to cf in this application. It's significantly stiffer, it's a conductor instead of an insulator, cooling should be much better.

    Has anyone been shooting any of these yet? Is this the future?

     
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    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    I'm absolutely ordering a blank. The problem I see right now is that they are very limited. They are only offering them in the fastest of twist rates. I'm looking for a slow twist .22 blank for a varmint rifle. I may have to call them. I'll be the guinea pig.
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    The 264 blanks need a 7.5 twist for us sea level flat landers.
     
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    4O6shootist said:
    Once chambered these will be within a few oz of a proof carbon checking weight on the 20in.
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    Yeah, I don't think they will give you a weight savings over cf, but if there is a performance advantage at the same weight, I'm in. I can't help but think that titanium would be an improvement over cf in heat mitigation.
     
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    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    Yeah, I don't think they will give you a weight savings over cf, but if there is a performance advantage at the same weight, I'm in. I can't help but think that titanium would be an improvement over cf in heat mitigation.
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    And rigidity

    Cynical said:
    The 264 blanks need a 7.5 twist for us sea level flat landers.
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    If they had a 7.5tw 20in I'd be ordering right meow
     
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    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    I just got the 4th of July email from ER Shaw, popped over to their site, and they are now offering barrels wrapped in a titanium sleeve, much like a carbon fiber barrel. They look great in the pictures, cost less than cf barrels, and I could easily see why titanium would be superior to cf in this application. It's significantly stiffer, it's a conductor instead of an insulator, cooling should be much better.

    Has anyone been shooting any of these yet? Is this the future?

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    It’s not stiffer, and it is an insulator.
     
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    Tokay444 said:
    It’s not stiffer, and it is an insulator.
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    It's not an insulator, see photo below. It's a conductor.

    As far as the rigidity compared to cf, they are very similar based on the reading I just did sounds like cf is more rigid when weight is used to compare them, but titanium is more rigid when the mass is the same, so they are nearly identical in rigidity.
     

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    It is a terrible thermal conductor. While it’s not quite an insulator, it’s not a good thermal conductor and is used often to insulate. I use titanium backing shims behind my brake pads to reduce the amount of heat transfer to the pistons and into the fluid. It wasn’t used on the SR-71 Blackbird for its thermal conductivity either.
     
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    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    I just got the 4th of July email from ER Shaw, popped over to their site, and they are now offering barrels wrapped in a titanium sleeve, much like a carbon fiber barrel. They look great in the pictures, cost less than cf barrels, and I could easily see why titanium would be superior to cf in this application. It's significantly stiffer, it's a conductor instead of an insulator, cooling should be much better.

    Has anyone been shooting any of these yet? Is this the future?

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    to be fair everything he makes is less than legitimate barrel makers. wouldnt trust anything they make
     
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    Maurygold said:
    to be fair everything he makes is less than legitimate barrel makers. wouldnt trust anything they make
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    Are you talking about ER Shaw barrels?

    How many have you owned? I have 7 of them as I write this and every one of them shoot better than my abilities. I've probably had 5 other ones and they all shoot sub moa with no problems. I had one barrel (6.8 spc ar barrel) that wasn't acting right. I called them and they immediately sent me a new one, no hesitation. Told me to keep the first one. The second one shoots excellent.

    So, what's your experience with them?
     
    #23
    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    Are you talking about ER Shaw barrels?

    How many have you owned? I have 7 of them as I write this and every one of them shoot better than my abilities. I've probably had 5 other ones and they all shoot sub moa with no problems. I had one barrel (6.8 spc ar barrel) that wasn't acting right. I called them and they immediately sent me a new one, no hesitation. Told me to keep the first one. The second one shoots excellent.

    So, what's your experience with them?
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    I own real barrels. Bartlein, kreiger, brux, proof.

    I’ve sent back a total of zero of those.
     
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    Maurygold said:
    I own real barrels. Bartlein, kreiger, brux, proof.

    I’ve sent back a total of zero of those.
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    Oh, so you're trashing them with no first hand experience? Interesting..

    I knew that before I asked. Well, let me be clear:

    Nobody gives a shit about your completely unfounded opinion. I'd bet you a thousand dollars per rifle that I would out shoot your ass with my er shaw barrels. Bring your Gucci shit. I own or have owned all of those you mentioned too, and they have zero advantage over the barrels we are discussing, they just cost a lot more. If you understood how sinple barrel manufacturing actually is with modern cnc machines, you wouldn't say what you said. A damn monkey can chamber and thread a barrel. A kid with 2 weeks of machining school can handle that job, but you think paying someone triple the cost to eat donuts while the program runs makes sense and gives you some kind of moral advantage. You have no idea what you're talking about, but that could be applied to almost every comment you make on SH. Have whatever kind of day you want to.
     
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    Guns&WhiteWater said:
    No shit Sherlock. But steel is much heavier. We are comparing the insulative properties of Ti vs Carbon Fiber.

    My titanium cans shed heat pretty damn quick btw.
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    The reason you think that is because it doesn’t absorb heat very fast. Great material for a can. Shit material for a barrel. All that sleeve is going to do is reflect heat back into the steel core, while feeling cooler to the touch on the outside, giving you the impression it’s benefiting your cooling, Sherlock.
     
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    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    Oh, so you're trashing them with no first hand experience? Interesting..

    I knew that before I asked. Well, let me be clear:

    Nobody gives a shit about your completely unfounded opinion. I'd bet you a thousand dollars per rifle that I would out shoot your ass with my er shaw barrels. Bring your Gucci shit. I own or have owned all of those you mentioned too, and they have zero advantage over the barrels we are discussing, they just cost a lot more. If you understood how sinple barrel manufacturing actually is with modern cnc machines, you wouldn't say what you said. A damn monkey can chamber and thread a barrel. A kid with 2 weeks of machining school can handle that job, but you think paying someone triple the cost to eat donuts while the program runs makes sense and gives you some kind of moral advantage. You have no idea what you're talking about, but that could be applied to almost every comment you make on SH. Have whatever kind of day you want to.
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    Must be why you see so many of them at fclass and benchrest matches. Oh wait…..

    You also don’t make barrels with cnc machines. But please keep telling us how much you know

    Aren’t the guy who tried to argue about tbac brakes with the man who made them. And then argued about the results of HIS testing? Please tell us more about all your wisdom
     
    #29
    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    CF is cool. I like cool stuff. I own a bunch of cf barrels, and if they do nothing else, they look cool. To pretend we aren't all wrapped up in the aesthetics of our guns would be disingenuous..
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    To each their own. Some people think big ass carbon fiber spoilers on fwd Honda civics look cool. I think it’s stupid. I feel the same way about taking a perfectly good steel blank, contouring it thin as hell, and glueing a bunch of carbon around it and hoping that you didn’t fuck it up inducing stresses.

    Maybe when carbon fiber was a novelty, now they make everything out of it. In applications where it’s functionally superior it’s cool. Just using it to be cool with carbon when it doesn’t offer functional benefit is the opposite of cool to me.
     
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    Maurygold said:
    Must be why you see so many of them at fclass and benchrest matches. Oh wait…..

    You also don’t make barrels with cnc machines. But please keep telling us how much you know

    Aren’t the guy who tried to argue about tbac brakes with the man who made them. And then argued about the results of HIS testing? Please tell us more about all your wisdom
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    You don't think barrels are made with cnc machines? Wow, that's crazy. I'm a machinist, and that's how barrels are made dipshit.

    And yes, I argued with the guy from tbac about a chart he posted in the conversation. You probably aren't intelligent enough to realize what happened in that conversation, and I didn't beat him up for it, but he essentially realized and admitted that the chart was bullshit. It requires more than a room temperature IQ to understand some of these things.
     
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    wind gypsy said:
    To each their own. Some people think big ass carbon fiber spoilers on fwd Honda civics look cool. I think it’s stupid. I feel the same way about taking a perfectly good steel blank, contouring it thin as hell, and glueing a bunch of carbon around it and hoping that you didn’t fuck up it up inducing stresses.

    Maybe when carbon fiber was a novelty, now they make everything out of it. In applications where it’s functionally superior it’s cool. Just using it to be cool with carbon when it doesn’t offer functional benefit is the opposite of cool to me.
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    Everyone has their own opinion. That's all we are discussing. I don't like the look of pencil barrels, but I like lightweight rifles for mountain hunting. A good cf barrel is maybe $300 more than a good steel barrel, and for hunting applications, the differences aren't functionally important, so for those of us that like the look, it's worth the extra $300. When I look at my primary mountain rifle, I have almost $12k in the total package. The extra $300 is a drop in the bucket.
     
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    Hecouldgoalltheway said:
    You don't think barrels are made with cnc machines? Wow, that's crazy. I'm a machinist, and that's how barrels are made dipshit.

    And yes, I argued with the guy from tbac about a chart he posted in the conversation. You probably aren't intelligent enough to realize what happened in that conversation, and I didn't beat him up for it, but he essentially realized and admitted that the chart was bullshit. It requires more than a room temperature IQ to understand some of these things.
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    ^ guy shoots savages and tikkas with budget barrels and thinks he knows about precision
     
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    Maurygold said:
    I own real barrels. Bartlein, kreiger, brux, proof.

    I’ve sent back a total of zero of those.
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    I've had two bad Bartlein carbon, a very tight bore proof that pressured out 200fps sooner than it should. A brux that was so fn picky I threw it away. Every time you buy a barrel, you run a risk. They are all not created equally no matter who's brand it is.
     
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    Maurygold said:
    ^ guy shoots savages and tikkas with budget barrels and thinks he knows about precision
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    I don't own either of them, not even one.


    Are you ever correct about anything?

    I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore. You have nothing of value to offer in any conversation.
     
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