It depends on what you use the rifle for...rotaing caps are more an issue than rotating ocular IMHO.
I must say, that’s a pretty good idea! Especially with NF ATACR oculars: https://onehundredconcepts.com/products/shockcollar
Bro, they still make NXS's after 30 years... I wouldn't hold my breath for anytime soon. You got about another [checks watch] 10-15 more years to go...
I'm a bit of a Nightforce fan. You will not be disappointed in the 4-16 ATACR.
I got mine two months ago and it may be my favorite non-firearm piece of gear I own.
Gen 2 could drop tomorrow with built in thermal and 10 ounces lighter, and even then the current 4-16x42 will be worth having for years to come.
That sounds about right to me. I was at Schmidt and Bender the other day and they have a countdown clock
I actually think it is my favorite ocular. I felt like I was able to set it better than others and then lock it down nicely too. I would want more scopes to have one similar.
Agree the rheostat is preferable to the push button. I prefer the combination illumination and parallax rheostat central to the scope. Seems the market trends have been driving higher magnification, leaving less attention to lower magnification hunting/field scopes.On the whole ATACR II front. Yes, the ATACR series is one of the "oldest" scope lines on the market today and I would love to see some fresh updates; however, as long as the scopes are still making NF money I doubt they feel any pressure to update. Also, NF has been one of the few companies who has not opted for massive price increases and it is likely the reason is they are still making good money for these older designs. For me, the biggest deficit with current ATACR series is the limited FOV at low magnification, I would love to see an ATACR II with wider FOV throughout the mag range. Would like to see them move up to a 6x erector while maintaining DOF and eyebox forgiveness (an ATACR II 3-18x42 would put a serious dent in the overpriced S&B Meta FFP 3-18 scope). While I love their illumination, the push button drives me nuts as I have to cycle through to change, would much prefer a rheostat style of illumination, but this is a minor gripe. It's too bad they lost the patent lawsuit to Leupold on the zero lock with the 4-16x42 ATACR, I'd love to see that low profile turret with the push button lock on other models, maybe that patent is expiring soon
Labradar refused to innovate because they kept selling…. Until Garmin came along. Then it was too late for Labradar.On the whole ATACR II front. Yes, the ATACR series is one of the "oldest" scope lines on the market today and I would love to see some fresh updates; however, as long as the scopes are still making NF money I doubt they feel any pressure to update. Also, NF has been one of the few companies who has not opted for massive price increases and it is likely the reason is they are still making good money for these older designs. For me, the biggest deficit with current ATACR series is the limited FOV at low magnification, I would love to see an ATACR II with wider FOV throughout the mag range. Would like to see them move up to a 6x erector while maintaining DOF and eyebox forgiveness (an ATACR II 3-18x42 would put a serious dent in the overpriced S&B Meta FFP 3-18 scope). While I love their illumination, the push button drives me nuts as I have to cycle through to change, would much prefer a rheostat style of illumination, but this is a minor gripe. It's too bad they lost the patent lawsuit to Leupold on the zero lock with the 4-16x42 ATACR, I'd love to see that low profile turret with the push button lock on other models, maybe that patent is expiring soon
That metaphor is kind of shit in the context of NF considering they are still innovating and releasing new products since the release of the OG ATACR in 2015. They even expanded the ATACR series in that time. The lessons they learned with the NX8 series may be in play with the next gen ATACR. I wouldn't be surprised if they are holding back waiting until a certain patent to expire.
Well, plenty of other manufacturers have come out with new scopes and while they may be popular it does not appear to affect NF's ability to continue to sell their older products. Heck, look at all the great 3-18 scopes that have come out since the ATACR 4-16x42 and yet that one scope continues to sell and do well. If anything, it was likely the pressure from the competition in the 5-25 class that caused NF to think outside the box a bit and come up with the 7-35, but here's the catch - I do not believe the 7-35 is so popular because it offers 35x as much as it is optically superior to their 5-25 model. Yes, while many of us would love to see NF innovate and come out with a new ATACR II lineup, I'm not sure they really need to, at least not yet from their perspective. So let's say this new rumored Vortex RG3 just happens to be amazing and begins to cut into NF 4-16x42 sales, I would not be surprised if within a year or so we see a new model from NF. So, in a way you are correct, but thus far there has not been another scope that could take away enough sales of NF ATACR for it to encourage them to bring another product to market.
Thanks for taking one from the teamFellas....
I can say with absolute certainty that word of the next generation of awesomeness is just around the corner.
How do I know...?
I'm about to pull the trigger on a 4-16ATACR. And given my "if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck" life pattern, the announcement will drop shortly after I get it mounted and zeroed.
Thanks for taking one from the team
My TBAC 338 Gen 1 can arrived at my dealer the same day they announced a Gen 2.I'm about to pull the trigger on a 4-16ATACR. And given my "if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck" life pattern, the announcement will drop shortly after I get it mounted and zeroed.
I think you are spot on with this assessment. I wasn't super impressed with the two 5-25s I had. Both the 4-16 and 7-35 feel like steps up. I wouldn't mind trying their 4-20x some day, but just can't justify the price when I love my 4-16.
It’s called ZCO
4-20 is a very good scope. Perfect hunting mag range. For some reason all the atacr optical formulas start with narrow for class FOV at low end, but then come back to normal for class on the max end. The 4-20 is a perfect range for hunting or nrl hunter setup, but the 35oz weight is a bit hefty. It compares very well to my Zco420. It's lighter by one oz, and just bout and inch longer.
Since you have both (NF and ZCO 4-20) have you compared both at 4x for FOV? I realize that NF numbers are less than ZCO but would be curious real-world experience, does the ZCO feel like it is a lot wider at 4x or not so much? And then how about at 20x, same thing, FOV comparison and initial thoughts?
If you're looking at the same image it doesn't physically look that much different at distance. However the FEEL of the zco at lower mag is much better, it's like you have a big high def screen in your face, minimal black ring around the image, the NF doesn't tunnel per set, but I feel there is a thick black ring around the Nightforce at low power, it feels like you're looking down a narrow hallway or tube if you would? At 20x i believe they have a much more similar feeling, it's been a few months since I was really comparing the low end range, but didn't do a lot of eval with them at 20x. I'll be home in a few days and get you more commentary for 20x comparison. I was just really focused on the low end.
Actually what I did lol. Original thread is a year old. Mixture of Schmidt and zco for me.
That maybe wasn't the best description, but that's how it feels. It's the same image, similar definition, clarity and contrast, however it feels like it's further away than the ZCO. I'm not nearly as versed in optical comparison as @Glassaholic and he may have a different evaluation or comparison. That's just how it feels looking down my samples of the atacr series on low mag. My 7-35 exhibits similar behavior on the low end VS my tangent 7-35. Everyone's eyes are a bit different, and one man's preference isn't the same as others. My eyes don't really see CA unless I start looking for it. Some people pick it up much more prominently.
Its gone once you bring mag up a lil bit 6x or so on the 4-20. I rarely have it at less and 8x, so for me, non-issue.
