Ukraine war Bullshit.
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Laughing, we are not that stupid, the MIC makes money off everything they build, sell & even give away. Its all paid for when built via legalized theft, from the tax payer. Ply your B/S elsewhere
Either way, Russia will be getting its face curb-checked repeated at an even higher level than has been happening for the past 41 months of the SMO.
This is why Putin is cleansing the rivals. He knows there will be others gunning for the throne once his weakness is clearly demonstrated to the people, who will then call for another strong man.
This is why Putin is cleansing the rivals. He knows there will be others gunning for the throne once his weakness is clearly demonstrated to the people, who will then call for another strong man.
We actually save money by divesting outdated munitions from the inventory.
We haven’t been manufacturing most of those systems on the list since the 1980s. They were paid for in defense budgets 40 years ago. Any money spent on storing them robs the force of new money going to newer systems.
This stuff is ancient by modern standards taking up shelf space ins secure, climate-controlled facilities manned by cleared employees who are paid a lot.
We’ve gone over this how many times now?
Enough you should know by now we're not buying it.
You can’t really underestimate a retard who starts from strategic encirclement with a 7:1 ratio and superior aircraft, a navy, help from a neighbor to stage forces from for the encirclement, a friendly traitor in the WH who is willing to pull out the targeted nation’s president for you, and you go and screw it up anyway by failing in every way.
Russia’s plan for the SMO didn’t survive contact with their own logistics, in addition to failing to secure Hostomel, and failing to get Biden to coerce Zelensky onto the escape plane.
We have done nothing but overestimate Russia my entire life.
Laughing, keep that train of thought rolling around and believed in the halls of the MIC, we'll see how it will all works out if its ever tested large scale.. And according to some that may be soon, as a deflect from the lair in chief.
I’m literally pointing out to you how these outdated weapons have not been in active US inventory for decades. These are absolute facts, not hearsay or conjecture.
AIM-7 Sparrows? We started replacing the AIM-7 with the AIM-120 in the 1990s, after 10 years of RDT&E on AMRAAM. We’re now into the 4th Generation AMRAAM with AIM-120D3, and already producing its successor, the AIM-260.
Bradleys and M113s? The Bradley largely replaced the M113, which went into production in 1960!
The Bradley went into production in 1981.
Hawk production started in the late 1950s!
Explain to me how one would shill for products made that long ago.
You need to start backing up these stupid claims about shilling with something of substance, because this is beyond retarded at this point.
If I was the only one to see it I might agree, but I'm not,...
The halls of the MIC were packed with Soviet moles throughout the Cold War and many still remain. They overestimated the Soviet order of battle and all combat systems capabilities, as part of Russia’s deterrence strategy of lies, thinking the US would attack them without provocation if the US knew how weak and worthless their trash was.
Contractors believed what the CIA told them about Soviet systems capes, and set program requirements based off those lies to much higher levels, creating far more-capable systems as a result.
Soviets couldn’t keep up with their own feedback loop, and spent a high % of their budget trying, even with blueprints and TDPs provided by moles within all along.
You mentioned something about air ports, with no details, no context, and no claims relevant to the thread.
I don’t know what you claimed to have witnessed.
You folks were outed by Ike in 01/1961, then JFK picked up that cross and was murdered because of this speech about making piece & cutting back.
Ike was referring to the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex, which had its intel side already co-opted by the Soviets. He made the warning because the CIA sabotaged his planned visit to...........Ukraine.
He was going to be the first US President to speak freely inside the Soviet Union, in a nation that had been subjected to artificial famine by Russia with the Holodomor in the 1930s, and the Kremlin was hellbent on stopping that speech.
CIA directly disobeyed his orders to cease the U-2 overflights for a while, since they already confirmed Russia didn’t have ICBM capability yet. CIA continued the flights anyway, with a compromised base defense in Peshawar, and possibly a transponder on Francis Gary Powers’ U-2, which was of course shot down.
Then Khrushchev got to make his speech instead, inside the UN. It was all an information operation designed to trash the US’s reputation on the international stage, while making Russia and the USSR looking like the noble ones.
He was going to be the first US President to speak freely inside the Soviet Union, in a nation that had been subjected to artificial famine by Russia with the Holodomor in the 1930s, and the Kremlin was hellbent on stopping that speech.
CIA directly disobeyed his orders to cease the U-2 overflights for a while, since they already confirmed Russia didn’t have ICBM capability yet. CIA continued the flights anyway, with a compromised base defense in Peshawar, and possibly a transponder on Francis Gary Powers’ U-2, which was of course shot down.
Then Khrushchev got to make his speech instead, inside the UN. It was all an information operation designed to trash the US’s reputation on the international stage, while making Russia and the USSR looking like the noble ones.
Bullshit he warned about the MFG'ers and all associated, as they learned how to easily fleece for tax dollars by one hand washing the other. Making up boggy men lined, and is still lining their pockets. Plus Forever wars, are their gold mines. Don't have one, fuck it make one & wave the flag, the slow thinkers will fall in line,...
KZ and Moscow always had a good relationship post 91. Now, ethnic Russians in KZ were treated terribly ("Russians go home, but leave your wives and daughters") and the entire country had a serious brain drain - the saying went that "the first to leave were the golden brain (jews) then the golden Arm (Germans and Russians who worked hard and built everything) and now all thats left are the golden teeth (Kazakhs and Uzbeks who just consume what's left)" But Nazarbayev knew that Moscow would keep him afloat, so the politics stayed aligned ("whenever Moscow catches a cold, Almaty grabs a kleenex"), and afterwards......well, the Russians say that kazakhs are just too lazy to stage a revolution, or do much of anything. Even some of the Muslims in UZ tried to launch a half hearted jihad in the late 90's. But KZ is just ....... there.
stay healthy, LARPER. I know the national diet in Finland is cigarettes and vodka, but remember:
Where's the canned sunshine you kept precumming your pants over last month?
One of the few I actually had to block.
In some ways that retard is worse than those uke shills, infinte walls of text mostly saying nothing.
You country is fast becoming a waste land w/o needing it, why expend there when it might be needed else where?
The retard brigade making once last offensive push on SH. It's not going well.
Note to self:
Sticking to what the Foreign Policy Papers actually say instead of vacillating on some Saturday Morning Punidtoon’s inane Twitter posts remains the best bet in predicting what happens.
That is quite correct.
The situation Ukraine is in is indeed pathetic.
It did not have to come to this.
You’re literally selling bullshit propaganda.
Russian Labor Ministry Denies Plans to Recruit 1M Indian Workers in 2025 - The Moscow Times
Russia's Labor Ministry has denied claims that it plans to recruit as many as 1 million workers from India by the end of the year.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Its bullshit, Y’all should know better than to trust anything these Kyiv propagandist say
I think it's finally time for you to sit on the adults' collective lap and be given the talk that all little boys must have, as well as realize a few things...
...it's time to grow up.
1. We genuinely wished for Ukraine to cut its losses and minimize further deaths, but that sentiment has since soured because of individuals such as yourself. And SNB. And kalashnikev. And that pretentious Finnish larper.
2. Ukraine is a tool that will be used and disposed of - definitely lower in value compared to South Korea / Japan / Taiwan, and probably at the same level of Azerbaijan. Even such places that we typically sneer at - the Philippines and Myanmar - are of greater intrinsic value than Ukraine on account of how they may potentially be rallied against China (which is another topic on a far more extreme level of stupidity). This may be a gross oversimplification - but it is possible that Ukraine is in its current state because somebody didn't want you to be the biggest European train hub for the Belt and Road Initiative, and I'm not pointing at the Russians. Imagine that - all this waste of human life, just because someone didn’t like the idea of Ukraine serving as a BRICS train station.
3. Ukraine's sovereignty and well - being was never a consideration. Ukraine is but a little piece in this ridiculous Brzezinski Bible we follow.
4. The Russians went in with a mere fraction of troops and weaponry required to take even a city the size of Kiev, and initiated a treaty with Ukraine after lobbing a few shells here and there. If this statement confuses you - it means that there was never any intent for a large - scale invasion through this Special Military Operation. You had Naftali Bennett. You had Istanbul. I'm fairly certain that the Russians demanded no territorial concessions early on. But we all know how that went.
5. My country's actions are leading it on a downward slide, a "Decline of Empire" (or more aptly, the rest of the world is catching up and we are being superseded), as the Saturday Morning Punditoons would like to say - but your country will be in far worse shape when the dust clears.
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Even during the days when we Americans were flying Ukrainian flags in our backyards (which have since been quickly replaced by the Star of David) - support from the public was superficial at best, on the same level of sincerity as a company pep talk.
While companies would typically include only a UK / EU "Declaration of Conformity" as the "foreign" document available for download, there suddenly was...
...Ukraine.
This is a proper "Declaration of Conformity" document.
This is the barely legible afterthought that they decided to throw in for Ukraine, for the sake of joining the bandwagon; both were for a Dell Latitude 7300.
Culturally, we are pretentious, transactional, selfish, and steeped in a misguided sense of Exceptionalism.
As you can see - rarely do we mean, much less do, what we preach; the state of Ukraine is proof of that.
To further that point, you are probably aware that it has always been "Rules For Thee, Not For Me."
Understand - in no way is Ukraine the shining bastion of Freedom and Democracy standing up to the greatSoviet Russian threat...
Ukraine is a momentary fad, a convenience, a footnote that will be disposed of when it ceases to be relevant - a distraction for our very fickle whims.
That is who we are and what we do.
Wake up.
While companies would typically include only a UK / EU "Declaration of Conformity" as the "foreign" document available for download, there suddenly was...
...Ukraine.
This is a proper "Declaration of Conformity" document.
This is the barely legible afterthought that they decided to throw in for Ukraine, for the sake of joining the bandwagon; both were for a Dell Latitude 7300.
Culturally, we are pretentious, transactional, selfish, and steeped in a misguided sense of Exceptionalism.
As you can see - rarely do we mean, much less do, what we preach; the state of Ukraine is proof of that.
To further that point, you are probably aware that it has always been "Rules For Thee, Not For Me."
Understand - in no way is Ukraine the shining bastion of Freedom and Democracy standing up to the great
Ukraine is a momentary fad, a convenience, a footnote that will be disposed of when it ceases to be relevant - a distraction for our very fickle whims.
That is who we are and what we do.
Wake up.
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some Ukraine questions and comments
it seems some of Trump's latest cash has been dispensed. our paid Uke trolls are back at bat.
my question is does anybody have any real accurate source of #s of KIA on both sides? the pro Russ say Ukes are down 1 mil men permanent losses. the Uke lovers say Russia has lost 10K/mo for a long time. i kinda doubt both. there seems to be no way to get even estimates that are honest. my guess is that Russian losses are higher in total but way less in % of troops deployed. attackers usually lose more until a break thru then defender losses go way up. it seems that Russ medical is better set than Uke,but? seems less Russ captured than Uke. treatment of any POWs is a big ??? obvious Russia has a bigger man power pool than Ukraine even counting the mercs that we are paying for and CIA/spec op/intel personnel.
civilian deaths have to be much higher for Ukraine.
it seems some of Trump's latest cash has been dispensed. our paid Uke trolls are back at bat.
my question is does anybody have any real accurate source of #s of KIA on both sides? the pro Russ say Ukes are down 1 mil men permanent losses. the Uke lovers say Russia has lost 10K/mo for a long time. i kinda doubt both. there seems to be no way to get even estimates that are honest. my guess is that Russian losses are higher in total but way less in % of troops deployed. attackers usually lose more until a break thru then defender losses go way up. it seems that Russ medical is better set than Uke,but? seems less Russ captured than Uke. treatment of any POWs is a big ??? obvious Russia has a bigger man power pool than Ukraine even counting the mercs that we are paying for and CIA/spec op/intel personnel.
civilian deaths have to be much higher for Ukraine.
No one wants to sit on your lap Mr Epstein. The era of bouncing children random children on your pedophile laps is over and will be forgotten when all you boomers expire gracelessly. It's sad that the greatest generation birthed the most self centered, entitled and self assured batch of retards this country has ever seen.
Ah yes just a couple hundred thousand contract soldiers on a brotherly blyatzkrieg murdering everyone in their path starting day one, here and there. Kyiv was just a fient and the failure wasn't goalpost shifting. If only Russia took off the gloves. Or if that dastardly swamp wasn't there things would've gone different. Of the original 200k ziggers that rushed across the border, how many puccian soldiers have been turned into fertilizer at this point again?
Perfect example, see above.
We tire of your kind.
Look, life goes on (very comfortably) for the rest of us here.
Enjoy your conflict.
Better yet, die in service of your ideology.
There is really nothing any of us can do given your weak intellectual potential and failure to analyze the consequences of your actions.
Bye bye, Ukraine…
We tire of your kind.
Look, life goes on (very comfortably) for the rest of us here.
Enjoy your conflict.
Better yet, die in service of your ideology.
There is really nothing any of us can do given your weak intellectual potential and failure to analyze the consequences of your actions.
Bye bye, Ukraine…
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Honest question I have: had the US and NATO not stepped in with assistance Ukraine would have lost by now, that much is certain. And Ukraine is losing more soldiers than it can replace. Russia is bringing in troops from allies and some weapons faster than Ukraine who has been and is doing the same. They have mobilized their economy to fight not only Ukraine but NATO if need be. The EU cannot send a huge number of replacements because of their low numbers of enlisted personnel and don't have much of a military manufacturing base as compared to the US, Russia or China.
If Ukraine surrenders or the military outright collapses due to attrition, who will get the blame? The US for not giving all of its weaponry despite the fact that both the Ukrainian and Israeli conflict have depleted its reserves to defend itself for an extended period of time, the Ukranian Oligarchs and officials who took money and arms that were to go to both the military and the Ukranian government salaries, NATO for promising things and delaying their delivery of it, or the Russians for being very clear that a NATO Ukraine was a red line as was Merkel's admission that the 2014 (IIRC) treaty was a lie that was used to train up the Ukranian army?
It's a question that has been bouncing around in my head for some time now. The other question I have is how much does Blackrock and others stand to lose in all of this, and is this part of the reason it keeps going on? I don't have a clear answer to that one, but I can suspect an answer.
If Ukraine surrenders or the military outright collapses due to attrition, who will get the blame? The US for not giving all of its weaponry despite the fact that both the Ukrainian and Israeli conflict have depleted its reserves to defend itself for an extended period of time, the Ukranian Oligarchs and officials who took money and arms that were to go to both the military and the Ukranian government salaries, NATO for promising things and delaying their delivery of it, or the Russians for being very clear that a NATO Ukraine was a red line as was Merkel's admission that the 2014 (IIRC) treaty was a lie that was used to train up the Ukranian army?
It's a question that has been bouncing around in my head for some time now. The other question I have is how much does Blackrock and others stand to lose in all of this, and is this part of the reason it keeps going on? I don't have a clear answer to that one, but I can suspect an answer.
Nobody.
Nobody blamed us for what we did to Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, you name it.
We have thus far been unaccountable for our sins.
Just another write - off, another failed venture.
And yet, we remain proud of our exploits.
We joke of our deeds publicly.
Perhaps there are some verses from the bible that would aptly describe how we should be meted out our reckoning.
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I would never have dreamt that the mighty M1A_ Abrams, the scourge of Desert Storm, would require a chastity girdle to protect itself from mere toys made by poor peasants slaving away in backward ricefields.
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Counting the Dead: Documenting Loss in Mariupol, a Ukrainian City Besieged and Devastated
Documenting Loss in Mariupol, a Ukrainian City Besieged and Devastated
www.hrw.org
Impossible at this point.
Even estimates from satellite imagery are largely inflated / deflated to suit some narrative.
That's almost like getting Israel to show which areas the Iranians successfully hit.
Civil Registry Database.
Estimate by subtracting mean annual deaths from pre - conflict years from deaths filed during conflict years.
Limit demographic to males belonging to age group eligible for conscription / service.
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