Someone murdered Charlie Kirk
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Why am I not surprised.
yeah and a white guy received stolen property
Also, don't most laser rangefinders and/or ballistic calcs. already compensate for angle?
This is extremely sad. The responses from some of the left are disturbing and hard to watch as well. People who are celebrating this on social media really should be flagged, found, and taken in to be assessed for mental illness.
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“.30-06 is a common hunting caliber, and the reports indicate it was an imported, older model,” said Tom Chittum, former ATF Associate Deputy Director
"Police officers later appeared with a canine and tracked the shooter through the site and onto a property next door, Hope said. He didn’t know if the shooter parked a vehicle near the construction site"
grabbed the below from other thread
"Police officers later appeared with a canine and tracked the shooter through the site and onto a property next door, Hope said. He didn’t know if the shooter parked a vehicle near the construction site"
FBI recovers rifle used in Charlie Kirk shooting, traces path through woods
FBI investigators released limited details about the bolt-action rifle recovered in Utah. They're tracing a path the alleged shooter fled on.
www.usatoday.com
grabbed the below from other thread
As a professional pilot, I've been considering the reports of the private jet and it "disappearing from radar/turning off it's transponder". This would raise alarms in air traffic control and be highly unusual..., unless it was completely normal and mundane. Let me explain. Typically, a jet will depart a field on an instrument flight plan and fly under instrument flight rules (IFR). This is required to fly above 18000'. However, when the destination airport is uncontrolled (no/unmanned airport tower) and has clear weather, once below 18000' pilots have the option to proceed visually to the destination. This is routinely done for a variety of reasons, mostly for convenience. When canceling IFR, it is coordinated with ATC and you then change your transponder code to the generic VFR code (1200), which removes the ATC tag in the system. This is a completely normal, everyday occurrence.
I'm not saying this flight was or was not associated with the event. But the sensationalized reporting of it "disappearing from radar" has a completely normal benign explanation.
I'm not saying this flight was or was not associated with the event. But the sensationalized reporting of it "disappearing from radar" has a completely normal benign explanation.
Depending on the building, how much angle was there? Difference of 75'? Maybe? of elevation over 100yrds? Or even 200yrds? (Which did not appear to be that). But, going with a head shot with a Mauser, did not seem like a solid plan. If that is where they were aiming. Unfortunately, the end result was still not good----.
Gee, really?
I love how some feel compelled to overcomplicate just for the sake of typing words I guess.
In this scenario, none of that matters. Sub 200 yards, elevation is roughly 5 degrees. Dead on is sufficient as any difference is imperceptible to general noise.
Been a long time since I posted anything here. Retired from my LE career, doing other things these days.
Let's assess the situation according to logical principles. Occam's razor holds true in almost all situations: the simplest, least complex answer requiring the fewest logical leaps, conspirators, or chains of events is usually true.
I've found that extended conspiracies are rarely the right answer. Not never, but rarely. It's unlikely that this was anything complicated. The "but the jews!" crowd is out, insisting this must be a professional Mossad operation because the shot was so hard, and the shooter temporarily escaped, etc. The other conspiracists suggest everyone from Russian intelligence to the CIA to the boogaloo boys must have done it.
But all of you here who actually do what this forum is here for know better. You or I could easily have done this and temporarily escaped. It's not actually hard. University campuses are a very, very soft target. From other shootings, we know that if police (or better yet and more likely, an armed citizen) are not in a position to catch and neutralize the shooter immediately, a temporary escape lasting days is not unusual. The rifle was not suppressed, it is an old bolt rifle, and it is not what an expert would choose. The position was not what an expert would choose. Rooftop, highly exposed, with a visible exfil? The shot was not hard, and yet does not appear to have been particularly accurate. The timing was not what an intel agency would choose. Most intel agency assassinations have happened at home, while driving point-to-point on known routines, etc; and most are very low visibility. Many are deniable, and made to look like accidents. Intel agencies don't accidentally galvanize their opposition.
On to the realistic outcomes and solving this:
I've worked as an LE investigator; it's rare for police and the FBI to release evidence immediately, and rare for evidence to be processed within the first few days. It's likely there are prints and even DNA on the rifle. There are footprints and there IS surveillance video. Remember when people were trying to claim a professional hit because the shooter "avoided cameras"? Shooter didn't avoid cameras after all. Just because we haven't seen evidence yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Given what we know of the rifle and ammunition conditions, the scene, the technique and weapon used, and the similarities to recent shootings and the language on their weapons and accessories, we're most likely looking at one of the deranged leftist freaks. Trans and far-leftist ideology, antifa leanings, and with terroristic tendencies. This falls right in line with the recent trend: Nashville Covenant school shooting March 2023, Antifa/Transtifa attack on ICE in Texas in July 2025, Minneapolis church school shooter August 2025, and the Zizian trans/antifa terror cell murders and attempted murders in 2022, 2023, and 2025.
When the shooter is found, a deep dive into all electronics, online communication, and personal connections should be done. It's likely there will be links to others, and it would be good to start tearing these networks and groups apart from the inside. If federal intel agencies are embedding people in the 3-percenter, Oathkeepers, and local militia groups, it should be the case that they're ALSO targeting antifa, John Brown Gun Clubs, the "pink" gun clubs, etc. Any indication that that's not happening is simply an indication of an ideological bias at the fed agencies, and let's be honest, that would not be surprising at all: these are the same people who took guidance from the SPLC's list of "dangerous hate groups" which included traditional Catholics, the Family Research Council (for opposing LGBTQ+ ideology), and Moms for Liberty (for advocating for parental rights in education). When I was still in LE, an SPLC briefing on "hate groups" was brought to roll call by our shift's resident leftist idiot. Our response? "Get that shit out of here and never bring that group up again." I hope the FBI has course-corrected away from overlooking politically-inconvenient violent groups, but the attacks on federal agents in Portland and Seattle continue without signs of mass arrests. Hopefully the people in position now will do more than a "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him", and will dig deeper to find and charge ANY connected parties with knowledge in Charlie's case, and in the rest of them.
Killing those who are willing to listen and debate is a tactical error. The rightward shift that ensues is something they should fear. Losing a debate is one thing, and though it may inspire them with rage that the facts and logic don't support them, it's not like actually losing for real. People are hardening their positions. They saw Dems in congress shout and jeer when asked to take a moment of silence and pray for Charlie. Compromise is becoming increasingly unlikely or outright impossible. A two-tiered justice system is unsustainable, having violence forced on us by government is untenable, and this nation is becoming a powderkeg.
I see one way out without descending into chaos, and that is an iron-fisted government clampdown on all of the left extremists and those who praise and glorify violence online. Words used to have consequences, you might get shot or at least punched in the mouth. 18 U.S.C. § 2101: Anti-Riot Act (Incitement to Riot) Criminalizes traveling in interstate commerce or using facilities of interstate commerce (e.g., online platforms) with intent to incite, organize, or participate in a riot, or to aid and abet it. A "riot" involves violence by three or more people acting together. This can apply to online calls for violence against individuals or groups if they incite imminent disorder. Penalties: Up to 5 years in prison and fines.
When was the last time you saw that enforced? Certainly not during the May Day riots in 07, Occupy in 2011, the Ferguson riots in 2014, the Baltimore riots in 2015, Floyd riots in 2020, Atlanta anti-police riots in 2023, the anti-ICE riots in 2025. Oh, it did get used once...for the Jan. 6 riots. Notice anything?
Finally: Rest in Peace, Charlie. He was one of the good ones. A generous man, willing to hear out his ideological opponents and challenge their thinking as they challenged his. Debate and discussion, not violence or power. A dependable, considerate, and kind man in an industry that is full of egos and not a few grifters. A man of faith and prayer, a young father, and a warrior for truth.
Let's assess the situation according to logical principles. Occam's razor holds true in almost all situations: the simplest, least complex answer requiring the fewest logical leaps, conspirators, or chains of events is usually true.
I've found that extended conspiracies are rarely the right answer. Not never, but rarely. It's unlikely that this was anything complicated. The "but the jews!" crowd is out, insisting this must be a professional Mossad operation because the shot was so hard, and the shooter temporarily escaped, etc. The other conspiracists suggest everyone from Russian intelligence to the CIA to the boogaloo boys must have done it.
But all of you here who actually do what this forum is here for know better. You or I could easily have done this and temporarily escaped. It's not actually hard. University campuses are a very, very soft target. From other shootings, we know that if police (or better yet and more likely, an armed citizen) are not in a position to catch and neutralize the shooter immediately, a temporary escape lasting days is not unusual. The rifle was not suppressed, it is an old bolt rifle, and it is not what an expert would choose. The position was not what an expert would choose. Rooftop, highly exposed, with a visible exfil? The shot was not hard, and yet does not appear to have been particularly accurate. The timing was not what an intel agency would choose. Most intel agency assassinations have happened at home, while driving point-to-point on known routines, etc; and most are very low visibility. Many are deniable, and made to look like accidents. Intel agencies don't accidentally galvanize their opposition.
On to the realistic outcomes and solving this:
I've worked as an LE investigator; it's rare for police and the FBI to release evidence immediately, and rare for evidence to be processed within the first few days. It's likely there are prints and even DNA on the rifle. There are footprints and there IS surveillance video. Remember when people were trying to claim a professional hit because the shooter "avoided cameras"? Shooter didn't avoid cameras after all. Just because we haven't seen evidence yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Given what we know of the rifle and ammunition conditions, the scene, the technique and weapon used, and the similarities to recent shootings and the language on their weapons and accessories, we're most likely looking at one of the deranged leftist freaks. Trans and far-leftist ideology, antifa leanings, and with terroristic tendencies. This falls right in line with the recent trend: Nashville Covenant school shooting March 2023, Antifa/Transtifa attack on ICE in Texas in July 2025, Minneapolis church school shooter August 2025, and the Zizian trans/antifa terror cell murders and attempted murders in 2022, 2023, and 2025.
When the shooter is found, a deep dive into all electronics, online communication, and personal connections should be done. It's likely there will be links to others, and it would be good to start tearing these networks and groups apart from the inside. If federal intel agencies are embedding people in the 3-percenter, Oathkeepers, and local militia groups, it should be the case that they're ALSO targeting antifa, John Brown Gun Clubs, the "pink" gun clubs, etc. Any indication that that's not happening is simply an indication of an ideological bias at the fed agencies, and let's be honest, that would not be surprising at all: these are the same people who took guidance from the SPLC's list of "dangerous hate groups" which included traditional Catholics, the Family Research Council (for opposing LGBTQ+ ideology), and Moms for Liberty (for advocating for parental rights in education). When I was still in LE, an SPLC briefing on "hate groups" was brought to roll call by our shift's resident leftist idiot. Our response? "Get that shit out of here and never bring that group up again." I hope the FBI has course-corrected away from overlooking politically-inconvenient violent groups, but the attacks on federal agents in Portland and Seattle continue without signs of mass arrests. Hopefully the people in position now will do more than a "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him", and will dig deeper to find and charge ANY connected parties with knowledge in Charlie's case, and in the rest of them.
Killing those who are willing to listen and debate is a tactical error. The rightward shift that ensues is something they should fear. Losing a debate is one thing, and though it may inspire them with rage that the facts and logic don't support them, it's not like actually losing for real. People are hardening their positions. They saw Dems in congress shout and jeer when asked to take a moment of silence and pray for Charlie. Compromise is becoming increasingly unlikely or outright impossible. A two-tiered justice system is unsustainable, having violence forced on us by government is untenable, and this nation is becoming a powderkeg.
I see one way out without descending into chaos, and that is an iron-fisted government clampdown on all of the left extremists and those who praise and glorify violence online. Words used to have consequences, you might get shot or at least punched in the mouth. 18 U.S.C. § 2101: Anti-Riot Act (Incitement to Riot) Criminalizes traveling in interstate commerce or using facilities of interstate commerce (e.g., online platforms) with intent to incite, organize, or participate in a riot, or to aid and abet it. A "riot" involves violence by three or more people acting together. This can apply to online calls for violence against individuals or groups if they incite imminent disorder. Penalties: Up to 5 years in prison and fines.
When was the last time you saw that enforced? Certainly not during the May Day riots in 07, Occupy in 2011, the Ferguson riots in 2014, the Baltimore riots in 2015, Floyd riots in 2020, Atlanta anti-police riots in 2023, the anti-ICE riots in 2025. Oh, it did get used once...for the Jan. 6 riots. Notice anything?
Finally: Rest in Peace, Charlie. He was one of the good ones. A generous man, willing to hear out his ideological opponents and challenge their thinking as they challenged his. Debate and discussion, not violence or power. A dependable, considerate, and kind man in an industry that is full of egos and not a few grifters. A man of faith and prayer, a young father, and a warrior for truth.
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depends on the LRF, I have one that does and one that doesn't
But you shouldn't need an LRF for inside of 300 yards. And if you need a headshot without having to worry about range out to like 450, get a 22 creed or a 22-250
The overhead map I seen earlier in this thread was 411 feet so roughly 140 yards ??
I can watch CNN or MSNBC to listen to all your opinions and wisdom. Most people here live in reality. They may speculate about conspiracies, and they may be prejudiced by their own experiences, but they don't deny facts, believe they create their own truth, or that they create their own reality, and they certainly don't believe that right and wrong is based on ephemeral, human power structures.
Critical theory is not a legitimate philosophy or ideology, and it certainly does not lead you to understand real morality. It is super weak sauce of the kind that Charlie Kirk destroyed for breakfast. You arrive at clearly immoral positions just as likely as actually moral ones. It's almost random. The weak are not always right, nor are the strong always wrong. Sometimes they both got that way because of the choices they made, and its justice. Not always, but that's why power structures are irrelevant in determining right and wrong in the real world. Life is not as simple and straightforward as some stupid communist theory tries to present it as. You have your own "facts" that are dissimilar from the ones in the reality we share. You are truly without a rudder in a storm. Now I just feel really bad for you.
a person wrongly identified as George Zinn. George was the old dude screaming (I did it)
I did some extra digging.
more info out....
Mallonson was thought to be George Zinn, this was the misidentification.
Michael Mallinson was in Toronto when he was wrongly identified as a Democrat who shot the right-wing influencer
interesting watch.
You don't see a lot of 'young' kids wearing watches these days, since they all use their phones.
Unless, you're not packing a phone, due to tracking, but still need to coordinate with others.....
great Pic, makes you wonder why all the news pictures are blurry and grainy.
The impact also doesn't look at all what a 30-06 at 200 yards is going to do, even using generic 150gn ball. (Still catching up in case that's been gone over earlier.)
I can answer this. We are not all equal and we certainly don’t all deserve respect.
IR5 filter glasses to block facial recognition software.
They always try to blame trump...
"When I say Trump has a huge part in it, I don't necessarily mean he's to blame for it, but he's so divisive... [even just] his face is divisive. People hate him so much,' Portnoy said."
www.dailymail.co.uk
"When I say Trump has a huge part in it, I don't necessarily mean he's to blame for it, but he's so divisive... [even just] his face is divisive. People hate him so much,' Portnoy said."
Dave Portnoy slams 'insane' left in furious Charlie Kirk rant... but adds Donald Trump 'played a part' in death
Dave Portnoy slams 'insane' left in furious Charlie Kirk rant
Kirk, a conservative activist and close ally of Trump, was shot and killed while hosting a Turning Point USA Q&A event with students at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Good post and I don't necessarily disagree with it but it sure sounds like the violent trans whack job person would make the perfect patsy and folks would buy it hook line and sinker due to what's been happening recently. Bad actors in IC could train, supply, advise him, etc. and maintain deniability. We'll likely never know but all angles need to be explored not just the convenient one being shoved down our throats with convenient evidence left behind
I don’t actually know anything. But based on video of some guy on the roof and such, just over 400 feet look correct.
If it is on the further higher roof then it’s 500 feet.
Hence another reason I think a suppressed rifle was used and the 3006 was "provided" as fake evidence while the real shooter goes on his merry way.
Apparently VP Vance and his wife will accompany Charlie’s body…and presumably his family too…home to Arizona on AF2
www.foxnews.com
Charlie Kirk's casket to be flown on Air Force Two from Utah to Arizona
Vice President Vance and the second lady will be flying to to Salt Lake City to visit Charlie Kirk’s family and close friends on Thursday. His casket will then be flown on Air Force Two to Phoenix.
www.foxnews.com
I didn't know CK was a PHX valley resident.Apparently VP Vance and his wife will accompany Charlie’s body…and presumably his family too…home to Arizona on AF2
Charlie Kirk's casket to be flown on Air Force Two from Utah to Arizona
Vice President Vance and the second lady will be flying to to Salt Lake City to visit Charlie Kirk’s family and close friends on Thursday. His casket will then be flown on Air Force Two to Phoenix.
Not watching, engineering. Bender's video.Not worth my effort when the "strongest" response I'll get is weakshit like being called a nigger
Bingo. We are in a class war and the only sides are us poor, common folk and the ruling elite. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually take back this country. By the people for the people. Like Terry alluded to in the early pages of this thread, all the kikes in DC are gleefully watching the masses go at each other's throats over this assassination (regardless of who was behind it). As long as we attack each other, they remain safe. If they can turn us against each other this easily, they won't need to lift a finger to control us.
It's just you.
POTUS is attending 9/11 memorial services.
VP is handling what needs to be handled.
Agreed. It's very likely a trans/leftist whack job, as those toys were wound up a long time ago, and we're definitely seeing a few of them pop off now, killing children in schools for their "cause." And we also see a disturbing segment of the population bleat with glee when they do; I've even had a coworker that I thought was normal and well adjusted do just that yesterday. It's disgusting.
However, we also know the FBI, and undoubtedly other agencies, foster, advise, and supply whackjobs as part of their "intelligence" operations, as far back as the infamous WTC deal in the 90s and other various claimed "stings" that were "fumbled."
That is what is unfortunate here. It is highly plausible an unhinged lunatic would be both capable and actually executed this and all signs point to that right now, but I can never be sure that's the whole story behind it.
Two remarks.
1-Yeah, I have that assurance
2-If someone shits on Charlie's grave I hope I'm there.
Make that 3
3-If possible let us avoid a Civil war. Not nly would it destroy our Republic, it would play right into the hands of those engineering it.
I think Dave has accepted the golden juice.They always try to blame trump...
"When I say Trump has a huge part in it, I don't necessarily mean he's to blame for it, but he's so divisive... [even just] his face is divisive. People hate him so much,' Portnoy said."
Dave Portnoy slams 'insane' left in furious Charlie Kirk rant... but adds Donald Trump 'played a part' in death
Dave Portnoy slams 'insane' left in furious Charlie Kirk rant
Kirk, a conservative activist and close ally of Trump, was shot and killed while hosting a Turning Point USA Q&A event with students at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
It's just you. Now leave please.
You're not wrong. It's entirely possible that a genius plot would use that because it's entirely believable. But until we see some evidence to suggest that there is a broader conspiracy, it's likely that the simpler explanation is the accurate one.
Normally, I would say that the FBI and intel agencies will find out if there are any deeper links. Normally...was before 2016. After 2016, and with what we know now about the IC community, political ties, and the CIA/FBI Russia hoax, the IC response to a totally legitimate Hunter Biden laptop leak, and with what I have seen in the LE field from feds? I'm a lot less trusting.
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