Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

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ChezJfrey said:
It was an internet group call via Teams, they live on the other side of the country from me. So I'm assuming yes, they still have their teeth.
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This is one of the ugliest aspects to this entire event.

It's one thing to see one sick individual "pop off" and commit a heinous violent act in order to satisfy some ideological means.

But it's completely something else to see thousands of people to cheer on a violent act, that took a husband and a father away from this earth, solely for expressing his political views that they don't agree with. There's some real evil and darkness behind that, it's a symptom of something much larger going on.

There's been a real ugliness to this country that's been fostered ever since COVID. My heart bleeds for this country, we're going down a dark path. I fear that there is going to be a lot more division, hatred and violence before things get better.
 
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secondofangle2 said:
No, it's not.

I actually agreed with some/much of what you've been saying, but now I see you are just picking needless fights.
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MKSMN said:
Been a long time since I posted anything here. Retired from my LE career, doing other things these days.

Let's assess the situation according to logical principles. Occam's razor holds true in almost all situations: the simplest, least complex answer requiring the fewest logical leaps, conspirators, or chains of events is usually true.

I've found that extended conspiracies are rarely the right answer. Not never, but rarely. It's unlikely that this was anything complicated. The "but the jews!" crowd is out, insisting this must be a professional Mossad operation because the shot was so hard, and the shooter temporarily escaped, etc. The other conspiracists suggest everyone from Russian intelligence to the CIA to the boogaloo boys must have done it.

But all of you here who actually do what this forum is here for know better. You or I could easily have done this and temporarily escaped. It's not actually hard. University campuses are a very, very soft target. From other shootings, we know that if police (or better yet and more likely, an armed citizen) are not in a position to catch and neutralize the shooter immediately, a temporary escape lasting days is not unusual. The rifle was not suppressed, it is an old bolt rifle, and it is not what an expert would choose. The position was not what an expert would choose. Rooftop, highly exposed, with a visible exfil? The shot was not hard, and yet does not appear to have been particularly accurate. The timing was not what an intel agency would choose. Most intel agency assassinations have happened at home, while driving point-to-point on known routines, etc; and most are very low visibility. Many are deniable, and made to look like accidents. Intel agencies don't accidentally galvanize their opposition.

On to the realistic outcomes and solving this:
I've worked as an LE investigator; it's rare for police and the FBI to release evidence immediately, and rare for evidence to be processed within the first few days. It's likely there are prints and even DNA on the rifle. There are footprints and there IS surveillance video. Remember when people were trying to claim a professional hit because the shooter "avoided cameras"? Shooter didn't avoid cameras after all. Just because we haven't seen evidence yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Given what we know of the rifle and ammunition conditions, the scene, the technique and weapon used, and the similarities to recent shootings and the language on their weapons and accessories, we're most likely looking at one of the deranged leftist freaks. Trans and far-leftist ideology, antifa leanings, and with terroristic tendencies. This falls right in line with the recent trend: Nashville Covenant school shooting March 2023, Antifa/Transtifa attack on ICE in Texas in July 2025, Minneapolis church school shooter August 2025, and the Zizian trans/antifa terror cell murders and attempted murders in 2022, 2023, and 2025.

When the shooter is found, a deep dive into all electronics, online communication, and personal connections should be done. It's likely there will be links to others, and it would be good to start tearing these networks and groups apart from the inside. If federal intel agencies are embedding people in the 3-percenter, Oathkeepers, and local militia groups, it should be the case that they're ALSO targeting antifa, John Brown Gun Clubs, the "pink" gun clubs, etc. Any indication that that's not happening is simply an indication of an ideological bias at the fed agencies, and let's be honest, that would not be surprising at all: these are the same people who took guidance from the SPLC's list of "dangerous hate groups" which included traditional Catholics, the Family Research Council (for opposing LGBTQ+ ideology), and Moms for Liberty (for advocating for parental rights in education). When I was still in LE, an SPLC briefing on "hate groups" was brought to roll call by our shift's resident leftist idiot. Our response? "Get that shit out of here and never bring that group up again." I hope the FBI has course-corrected away from overlooking politically-inconvenient violent groups, but the attacks on federal agents in Portland and Seattle continue without signs of mass arrests. Hopefully the people in position now will do more than a "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him", and will dig deeper to find and charge ANY connected parties with knowledge in Charlie's case, and in the rest of them.

Killing those who are willing to listen and debate is a tactical error. The rightward shift that ensues is something they should fear. Losing a debate is one thing, and though it may inspire them with rage that the facts and logic don't support them, it's not like actually losing for real. People are hardening their positions. They saw Dems in congress shout and jeer when asked to take a moment of silence and pray for Charlie. Compromise is becoming increasingly unlikely or outright impossible. A two-tiered justice system is unsustainable, having violence forced on us by government is untenable, and this nation is becoming a powderkeg.

I see one way out without descending into chaos, and that is an iron-fisted government clampdown on all of the left extremists and those who praise and glorify violence online. Words used to have consequences, you might get shot or at least punched in the mouth. 18 U.S.C. § 2101: Anti-Riot Act (Incitement to Riot) Criminalizes traveling in interstate commerce or using facilities of interstate commerce (e.g., online platforms) with intent to incite, organize, or participate in a riot, or to aid and abet it. A "riot" involves violence by three or more people acting together. This can apply to online calls for violence against individuals or groups if they incite imminent disorder. Penalties: Up to 5 years in prison and fines.

When was the last time you saw that enforced? Certainly not during the May Day riots in 07, Occupy in 2011, the Ferguson riots in 2014, the Baltimore riots in 2015, Floyd riots in 2020, Atlanta anti-police riots in 2023, the anti-ICE riots in 2025. Oh, it did get used once...for the Jan. 6 riots. Notice anything?



Finally: Rest in Peace, Charlie. He was one of the good ones. A generous man, willing to hear out his ideological opponents and challenge their thinking as they challenged his. Debate and discussion, not violence or power. A dependable, considerate, and kind man in an industry that is full of egos and not a few grifters. A man of faith and prayer, a young father, and a warrior for truth.
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100 percent on point. Well said at every level!

Sirhr
 
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tightInThePants said:
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They keep showing these photos of the "shooter". They need a time stamp - was this on ingress or egress? Where's the rifle? Because if this is ingress, the rifle had to have been already pre-placed. And if this is egress, how did it make it to the woods, because he sure doesn't have it with him.
 
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MKSMN said:
Been a long time since I posted anything here. Retired from my LE career, doing other things these days.

Let's assess the situation according to logical principles. Occam's razor holds true in almost all situations: the simplest, least complex answer requiring the fewest logical leaps, conspirators, or chains of events is usually true.

I've found that extended conspiracies are rarely the right answer. Not never, but rarely. It's unlikely that this was anything complicated. The "but the jews!" crowd is out, insisting this must be a professional Mossad operation because the shot was so hard, and the shooter temporarily escaped, etc. The other conspiracists suggest everyone from Russian intelligence to the CIA to the boogaloo boys must have done it.

But all of you here who actually do what this forum is here for know better. You or I could easily have done this and temporarily escaped. It's not actually hard. University campuses are a very, very soft target. From other shootings, we know that if police (or better yet and more likely, an armed citizen) are not in a position to catch and neutralize the shooter immediately, a temporary escape lasting days is not unusual. The rifle was not suppressed, it is an old bolt rifle, and it is not what an expert would choose. The position was not what an expert would choose. Rooftop, highly exposed, with a visible exfil? The shot was not hard, and yet does not appear to have been particularly accurate. The timing was not what an intel agency would choose. Most intel agency assassinations have happened at home, while driving point-to-point on known routines, etc; and most are very low visibility. Many are deniable, and made to look like accidents. Intel agencies don't accidentally galvanize their opposition.

On to the realistic outcomes and solving this:
I've worked as an LE investigator; it's rare for police and the FBI to release evidence immediately, and rare for evidence to be processed within the first few days. It's likely there are prints and even DNA on the rifle. There are footprints and there IS surveillance video. Remember when people were trying to claim a professional hit because the shooter "avoided cameras"? Shooter didn't avoid cameras after all. Just because we haven't seen evidence yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Given what we know of the rifle and ammunition conditions, the scene, the technique and weapon used, and the similarities to recent shootings and the language on their weapons and accessories, we're most likely looking at one of the deranged leftist freaks. Trans and far-leftist ideology, antifa leanings, and with terroristic tendencies. This falls right in line with the recent trend: Nashville Covenant school shooting March 2023, Antifa/Transtifa attack on ICE in Texas in July 2025, Minneapolis church school shooter August 2025, and the Zizian trans/antifa terror cell murders and attempted murders in 2022, 2023, and 2025.

When the shooter is found, a deep dive into all electronics, online communication, and personal connections should be done. It's likely there will be links to others, and it would be good to start tearing these networks and groups apart from the inside. If federal intel agencies are embedding people in the 3-percenter, Oathkeepers, and local militia groups, it should be the case that they're ALSO targeting antifa, John Brown Gun Clubs, the "pink" gun clubs, etc. Any indication that that's not happening is simply an indication of an ideological bias at the fed agencies, and let's be honest, that would not be surprising at all: these are the same people who took guidance from the SPLC's list of "dangerous hate groups" which included traditional Catholics, the Family Research Council (for opposing LGBTQ+ ideology), and Moms for Liberty (for advocating for parental rights in education). When I was still in LE, an SPLC briefing on "hate groups" was brought to roll call by our shift's resident leftist idiot. Our response? "Get that shit out of here and never bring that group up again." I hope the FBI has course-corrected away from overlooking politically-inconvenient violent groups, but the attacks on federal agents in Portland and Seattle continue without signs of mass arrests. Hopefully the people in position now will do more than a "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him", and will dig deeper to find and charge ANY connected parties with knowledge in Charlie's case, and in the rest of them.

Killing those who are willing to listen and debate is a tactical error. The rightward shift that ensues is something they should fear. Losing a debate is one thing, and though it may inspire them with rage that the facts and logic don't support them, it's not like actually losing for real. People are hardening their positions. They saw Dems in congress shout and jeer when asked to take a moment of silence and pray for Charlie. Compromise is becoming increasingly unlikely or outright impossible. A two-tiered justice system is unsustainable, having violence forced on us by government is untenable, and this nation is becoming a powderkeg.

I see one way out without descending into chaos, and that is an iron-fisted government clampdown on all of the left extremists and those who praise and glorify violence online. Words used to have consequences, you might get shot or at least punched in the mouth. 18 U.S.C. § 2101: Anti-Riot Act (Incitement to Riot) Criminalizes traveling in interstate commerce or using facilities of interstate commerce (e.g., online platforms) with intent to incite, organize, or participate in a riot, or to aid and abet it. A "riot" involves violence by three or more people acting together. This can apply to online calls for violence against individuals or groups if they incite imminent disorder. Penalties: Up to 5 years in prison and fines.

When was the last time you saw that enforced? Certainly not during the May Day riots in 07, Occupy in 2011, the Ferguson riots in 2014, the Baltimore riots in 2015, Floyd riots in 2020, Atlanta anti-police riots in 2023, the anti-ICE riots in 2025. Oh, it did get used once...for the Jan. 6 riots. Notice anything?



Finally: Rest in Peace, Charlie. He was one of the good ones. A generous man, willing to hear out his ideological opponents and challenge their thinking as they challenged his. Debate and discussion, not violence or power. A dependable, considerate, and kind man in an industry that is full of egos and not a few grifters. A man of faith and prayer, a young father, and a warrior for truth.
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Careful using common sense and being rational here you’ll be labeled a leftist troll.
 
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#910
Terry Cross said:
Why stop there?
Why don't we screen every locale in the country for homicide victims and get each one on the schedule?

You just complained that the VP should have been at a 9/11 memorial. Do you think that memorial is more important that Colorado? Why change gears when you are engaged with a retort to your previous statement?

I'm sure you are certainly well meaning but you are coming across very cunt'ish.
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You're too kind to him, Terry. I'm gonna say it now- I think he's a venereal wart covered, herpes ridden cunt. Respectfully.
 
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vh20 said:
They keep showing these photos of the "shooter". They need a time stamp - was this on ingress or egress? Where's the rifle? Because if this is ingress, the rifle had to have been already pre-placed. And if this is egress, how did it make it to the woods, because he sure doesn't have it with him.
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This is when I miss being there and in the know. There's so much more you can do when you have full access to information. You can start making rapid assessments and conclusions based on available evidence, and that leads to a very fast initial development. But for those of us not active FBI, ATF, or local PD, we're not going to know useful details until much, much later, if ever.
 
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kthomas said:
This is one of the ugliest aspects to this entire event.

It's one thing to see one sick individual "pop off" and commit a heinous violent act in order to satisfy some ideological means.

But it's completely something else to see thousands of people to cheer on a violent act, that took a husband and a father away from this earth, solely for expressing his political views that they don't agree with. There's some real evil and darkness behind that, it's a symptom of something much larger going on.

There's been a real ugliness to this country that's been fostered ever since COVID. My heart bleeds for this country, we're going down a dark path. I fear that there is going to be a lot more division, hatred and violence before things get better.
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Remember Muslims dancing in the street when the Towers got hit?

This speaks volumes

 
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Holliday said:
Different…..

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And this is why we are being shot for our views because they know we won't do anything in return........

What has our side done now that it's been 24hrs. Not a thing. No mass protests, shooter still on the loose, back to working out 9 to 5 and it's gonna happen again.......who will the next victim be....and we will say kind words and move on till the next one.....

Doc
 
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Red Belly said:
Mode C is required above 10000 MSL
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Dude, I'm trying to be generically informative without getting overly wonky. It's a shooting site not an aviation site. And changing a sqwak to 1200 still provides mode C altitude reporting. Bottom line, there's a completely normal, non-conspiratorial explaination why the transponder MAY have disappeared from flight aware. But a business jet randomly disearing from ATC is going to be noticed. Not exactly a move you make if you're trying to be all spooky.
 
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Terry Cross said:
Why stop there?
Why don't we screen every locale in the country for homicide victims and get each one on the schedule?

You just complained that the VP should have been at a 9/11 memorial. Do you think that memorial is more important that Colorado? Why change gears when you are engaged with a retort to your previous statement?

I'm sure you are certainly well meaning but you are coming across very cunt'ish.
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Couldn’t disagree more. (insert pronoun here) is coming across very faggot’ish…and there isn’t a well meaning bone in his body, well, maybe his botfriend’s.
 
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Milf Dots said:
You're too kind to him, Terry. I'm gonna say it now- I think he's a venereal wart covered, herpes ridden cunt. Respectfully.
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Buddy, he/she/it/meow WANTS people to not be nice.

Your wording is eloquent and descriptive.
I like the cut of your jib. LOL.
 
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Emerson0311 said:
Smart watch?
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I pondered the same thing. Garmin/Apple/Suunto. . . . .

Biggest thing for me (as VH pointed out above) is that his hands are empty.
Either he was on the way to a prepositioned rifle, or he was exiting without a rifle (especially a full size 30-06), or the image is not even from that location, or he's not the correct guy. . .
 
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Terry Cross said:
Wouldn't be surprised.


I will differ with you there.
A 12yr old that has zero gun experience can go to the internet and get bare bone basics pretty easily. A rack grade 5.56 with cheap optic fired from a rested position would be pretty easy to get a torso hit at 200. Especially with a physically big dude like Charlie sitting still and squared off to the shooter's position.

I guess, it doesn't matter. . . .
Just like "how many licks to get the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop, the world will never know".
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I havnt Read everything yet but Food for thought

The adrenaline Dump I would think would have been Massive for someone who has never killed before
 
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#WeAreAllCharlieNow

If there are more apt words to describe the world we’re living in today, I haven’t seen them:

“As they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” Romans 1:28-32.​

 
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Anyone know if Old Testament bibles are still available new in print? I'm not an atheist but I don't own a bible, and I'm thinking I might pick one up- just don't want any 'woke' version.

I wonder what bible the Greek Orthodox use?

I want something heavy, thick leather covers, large print format offers lots of pages- that way it could double as a weapon in case I need to beat a tied up foreign enemy with it. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Daddyusmaximus said:
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Honest question: what if the rounds were inscribed to provide disinformation or provide the radicals on the far far right some malformed reason to create a revenge attack and thereby sow further discord into the populace?

After the booing to prevent a moment of silence for him on the house floor yesterday it feels like some want a civil war of some magnitude to transpire. You think the Patriot Act was bad, that kind of event will really put the screws to everyone permanently. Most definitely includes the 1A and 2A. Then we become the EU, and that aint going well at all.
 
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Milf Dots said:
Anyone know if Old Testament bibles are still available new in print? I'm not an atheist but I don't own a bible, and I'm thinking I might pick one up- just don't want any 'woke' version.
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Most certainly.
You will find many that have both the Old and New Testaments combined into one. Segregated but in the same book.
 
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Milf Dots said:
Anyone know if Old Testament bibles are still available new in print? I'm not an atheist but I don't own a bible, and I'm thinking I might pick one up- just don't want any 'woke' version.
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To most Christians, the “Bible” consists of both Old and New Testaments. KJV is still my go-to, but most new folks struggle with the Old English. The NET Bible seems OK for Noobs. My wife loves “The Passion Translation”, and I find it gives good thoughts on many verses, but some object to the author and it’s definitely not a “scholarly” translation, but more of a transliteration.

NIV, RSV, CEV and many others are generally fine. That said, you really should have multiple translations because you can get varying ideas in textual differences, which is helpful.
 
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Milf Dots said:
Anyone know if Old Testament bibles are still available new in print? I'm not an atheist but I don't own a bible, and I'm thinking I might pick one up- just don't want any 'woke' version.
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They absolutely are. The version you might want to make it easy to read would be NIV or ESV. Probably best to get a Bible that has both the Old and New Testament as those are so intertwined that is, well, rather fascinating.

Bibles can be had fairly cheaply.
 
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Milf Dots said:
Anyone know if Old Testament bibles are still available new in print? I'm not an atheist but I don't own a bible, and I'm thinking I might pick one up- just don't want any 'woke' version.
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I just ordered this one. It arrives tomorrow. Much larger print. I still have my childhood KJV Bible my mother bought me for my confirmation. But the print is just a little too hard for me to read at this point.
 
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