Ahh I see, not sure how the backbone works on the m10 but the old trg you could move the bolt position for the fore end where it contacted the magazine. Pretty simpleMine didnt arrive yet, the guys at the shop told me it arrived but confused my order with another one
Since i was there i could at least have a quick look and the mag was rattling like an absolute piece of garbage.
Never even needed the adjustment on the old ones, not sure if the M10 has the same feature. Thought i'd ask here since this would be a nogo for me within that price range.
Honestly i think there is a solution, just would like to know about it. Cant believe Sako would accept this kind of play with the magazine.
TRG appreciation thread - Part III
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Yeah I got into the tripod game.Optimus prime as a rifle
Mostly cheap items just to see if I like this stuff and it turns out I really do. Tripods are definetly great add-ons to the gear and arca rail can be bolted to the UIT rail.I´ve had this idea for a long time and few months back I contacted my local small print shop and told them what I would like to have. After few sketches they printed me some garments. I ordered some more for few more guys that shoot TRG´s here in Finland. Photos go quickly around social media and guys seem to like this.
They should still have the template in stock. I think they can ship to other countries too if you ask them via email: [email protected]
The website is in finnish but here it is anyway https://www.oulunpaitapaino.fi/
I have no affiliation with that print shop. I just had this idea and thought I´d share if anyone else wants a cool TRG hoodie or shirt. I also have a black one and the text is in white on that one.
Ofcourse you have to know Run-D.M.C. for this to make any sense...
They should still have the template in stock. I think they can ship to other countries too if you ask them via email: [email protected]
The website is in finnish but here it is anyway https://www.oulunpaitapaino.fi/
I have no affiliation with that print shop. I just had this idea and thought I´d share if anyone else wants a cool TRG hoodie or shirt. I also have a black one and the text is in white on that one.
Ofcourse you have to know Run-D.M.C. for this to make any sense...
Caruba PU200. It´s just a basic 200mm arca rail from a local camera shop bolted to the UIT rail with T-nuts. I paid 20€ for it.
What is your experience with these mounts? I am looking for a bit more height than my Spuhr mount offers due to my night vision equipment. The higher mount is way too high
Thought this might work out since there are different sets of ring height available.
Sadly its missing a bubble level but well...
I am looking to avoid a picrail since the one from Sako seems to be crap and the one from near is hard to get in europe.
What about those inserts? Are they recommended to use, not needed?
Oh and btw, Sako stopped producing the phosphated versions. If you want one you better go and hurry.
Thought this might work out since there are different sets of ring height available.
Sadly its missing a bubble level but well...
I am looking to avoid a picrail since the one from Sako seems to be crap and the one from near is hard to get in europe.
What about those inserts? Are they recommended to use, not needed?
Oh and btw, Sako stopped producing the phosphated versions. If you want one you better go and hurry.
I have used a few, they all work well and hold zero without issue. They are heavy for what they are. I always prefer a canted rail and rigs of the proper height. That gives more mounting flexibility for height and scope fore and aft to get proper eye relief.What is your experience with these mounts? I am looking for a bit more height than my Spuhr mount offers due to my night vision equipment. The higher mount is way too high
Thought this might work out since there are different sets of ring height available.
Sadly its missing a bubble level but well...
I am looking to avoid a picrail since the one from Sako seems to be crap and the one from near is hard to get in europe.
What about those inserts? Are they recommended to use, not needed?
Oh and btw, Sako stopped producing the phosphated versions. If you want one you better go and hurry.
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Have three of them and they work fine. No issues, so haven't had any reason to use other mounts.What is your experience with these mounts? I am looking for a bit more height than my Spuhr mount offers due to my night vision equipment. The higher mount is way too high
Thought this might work out since there are different sets of ring height available.
Sadly its missing a bubble level but well...
I am looking to avoid a picrail since the one from Sako seems to be crap and the one from near is hard to get in europe.
What about those inserts? Are they recommended to use, not needed?
Oh and btw, Sako stopped producing the phosphated versions. If you want one you better go and hurry.
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Only the 30mm rings come with the plastic inserts and they do not work without them. 34mm rings do not have the inserts, just steel around the scope tube.
ETA: I prefer mounting direct to the Sako dovetail, but you can order a Near rail directly from Richard. Also have seen the rails in some Norwegian or Swedish webshop, but can't remember the name atm.
I prefer the Sako rail aswell. However, this is about the perfect height with night vision equipment on the ITRS rail. Thats why i do consider the picatinny mount aswell. Will have to test both.
Any idea where those 2 front rings are from? Those are not standard and i couldnt find them anywhere. The mounting option for laser range finders is something i would like to have aswell.
Any idea where those 2 front rings are from? Those are not standard and i couldnt find them anywhere. The mounting option for laser range finders is something i would like to have aswell.
Sako made those double rings for military contracts that required a Simrad attachment. Don't know the part number and haven't seen them in any stores. However they can seldomly be found 2nd hand. At least here in Finland, since I have a couple.
The rings are basically two normal optilock lower halves fitted together and a Simrad rail bolted on top, if that makes any sense. I've been meaning to have a picatinny or an Acro interface made to replace the Simrad rail but haven't gotten around to it.
Btw. In the attached photo below is a 56mm front lens Kahles in medium 34mm rings direct mounted. Just for reference on the height.
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Found a never mounted 4-16x50 PMII. Mildot2 reticle. Happy days, will be my scope either on the 300wm or 338LM TRG
That's a nice find. Still one of my bucket list scopes.Found a never mounted 4-16x50 PMII. Mildot2 reticle. Happy days, will be my scope either on the 300wm or 338LM TRG
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Dry fire practice with the 338LM. Still waiting for the ITRS
Your camo looks a little pale for the conditions of the day
This is the kantamus 40. I do have jääkäri aswell, tried this one since you can access everything inside via a zipper at the front. Proved very useful.
i am trying a minimalistic approach, using the rucksack instead of big bags, only carry two small rear support bags. Put my pullover over the ridge as support when shooting 35° downhill. Used the tripod only once when vegetation was simply too high.
This proved to be very effective in combination with proper basic shooting skills. Did so much practice and it payed off in the end. Shot 3 stages without rear support or only my left hand as support, range were about 150 to 340m. Had to shoot two targets twice, rest were immediate hits. 10 out of 12 is okay for me.
I could do better with more gear building better positions, but then again i had to lug around a ton of bags the size of a rucksack which has nothing to do with practical shooting in my eyes.
TRG delivered as always. Plus i found the match i want to focus on. NRL hunter is the real shit
Trying to mimic the Lapua factory load with 175gr Scenar-L. Got 808m/s with the factory load, any idea of a good starting point? I assume they use some kind of N140...anyone got a load for that configuration?
My go to load with the 175 grain Scenar L was with Norma 203B powder @ 42,6 grain.
This is by far my best performing load in the TRG.
I do not have any good data with N140. I think it was 40,4 grains that shot very well, but its slow so not for long range. But it gave benchrest accuracy at 100 meters.
If my memory is right, it was at around 740 ms. So like I said, slow, but very accurate @ 100 meters.
No, that wont work well...got 808m/s when using the factory load. If only the ammo wouldnt be that expensive...
Can you get Reloader 15 or maybe even some Norma 203B where you are at?
VV N150 will be pretty close as well. That should get you up to speed.
It is probably doable with N140 as well, I just dont have the data for you.
808 m/s isn't far from what VV shows as max for N140 and N150:
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Man, if a .308 only irritates the mother in law.... thats pretty serious. Going to have to get a cannon loaded with a harpoon. Paging Captain Ahab.....
(sorry, just couldn't resist)
203b equivalent 42,5 gr, so close to VargmatII's load. Fed 215.
And 40.4 N140. Fed 215. Slow and same again, but he and I, we've traded loads and other stuff for a while now.
805ms or so. (Depending on your barrel and the temperature)
Have won field shooting competitions with it, and have taken it out to 1100 meters.
Do you have many centrefire PRS/NRL hunter competitons in Italy?
I know Rimfire is quite popular there.
Do you think the TRG is competitive in the factory form for field competition?
I see you have the W3 rear and the Vision forend on your rifle.
I was never that interest in the TRG, I had always thought the AI was a cooler rifle, but I've seen a few cheap deals on them recently (especially the TRG42 in 338L) and wonder if I should get a 22 for field shooting, or a 42 for an ELR rifle.
I know you didn't ask my opinion, but I have owned serval TRG22s folders and non, factory and custom barrels in 6.5 Creed, 260, & 308 and AI rifles both AW & AT to include an AT in an MPA chassis in calibers 6mmBR, 6.5 Creed, 260, & 308. In my opinion the TRG is every bit as capable as the AI platform. I will say I prefer the AW magazine over the TRG, I prefer the TRG bipod over the original Parker Hale the AW was designed with, I prefer the pre 2013 TRG trigger over any other and the AW trigger over the AIAT and AI competition trigger. The AI QC barrel system is the best barrel to action system I have ever used, well it's as good as the SIG SSG3000 / STR & DTA system which are very similar to each other. I have extensively tested all 3 of the barrel to action systems I mentioned and they are all extremely accurate and repeatable. The TRG is a lighter rifle than the AI so there is that. The TRG has a more adjustable stock. Both are excellent rifles!
I think it is a very capable rifle for field shooting competitions, and I did good, sometimes great with mine. I ran the TRG22 for 4 years. The factory folder or Whiskey 3 back end makes for a good upgrade. The Vision forend is not necessary IMHO.
I’ve shot both a lot, I’ll take the trg everyday of the week, they can keep the ai rifles. Trg is a smoother action, shoots tighter and weighs a lot less plus the trigger is the best. The whole ai rifle makes no sense in a short action caliber. 338 or similar maybe a better argument. Just too much mass for a 308 or 6.5. Trg may need arca or what ever you want on the front end if you please. Factory bipod on the trg is the best I’ve used. To each their own. It’s crime how much they want to a folding stock and mags for the rifle tho I will say that.
If you want a Sako barrel it does. If not, then pick one brand and have it threaded to M27X1.5. Also profile is important to fit the channel. There is not overly much space.
Thanks. There is a review on Youtube the guy was saying that the barrels will need to be "hydraulically pressed" into the receivers and need to go back to Finland, but it sounds like that is not the case.
I've seen that video. I'm pretty sure that the reviewer is confusing the Sako with the old Steyr SSG69, which does have a hydraulically pressed/shrunk fit barrel and needed to go back to Austria for rebarreling.
I've seen people modify the Tikka CTR magazines, which I think is what I would do the Sako magazine are insanely priced.
One of the biggest benefits of the Vision front handguard for the TRG is that it allows you to use CTR magazines. That plus integrated ARCA rail make it probably the best accessory out there for the TRG platform IMO.
I think the W3 folder would be a nice option, but full length arca and CTR mags would be a big benefit.
There was a guy in Italy who posted on the hide 12months ago about 3d printing TRG magazines but he disappeared. Would love to know how he got on.
Get both.
ETA: Bartlein does make a TRG contour blank if you ask them. I picked one up on here last year.
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I used both in competitions, as long as its not a classic PRS match with 30lb rifles in 6mm Dasher you wont have any disadvantage in my eyes.
Yes you cant balance them with weights, however, the TRG are deadly accurate with whatever ammo you throw in there. Compared to the AI, the ergonomics are superb.
These days i take my TRG over any AI. They are lighter and have better ergonomics. The barrels are great and very accurate. The TRG bipod is the best i ever used.
Even started thinking about selling my AIs these days.
The folder increases weight but adds adaptability. I prefer to stay with the lighter, original Version.
