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Sidearms & Scatterguns New M&P9 CC "shield"

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    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/04/ryan-finn/new-smith-wesson-mp-9-shield-photo-leaked/
    I wonder if they could make a 45 variant with around 7-10rds?
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    Re: New M&P9 CC "shield"

    Interesting. The gun already had a 1911 grip angle. Now they are making a single stack version with a thumb safety?
     
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    I hope it comes without an external safety
     
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    I was wondering when Smith would put out a single stack M&P. Cant wait to see the specs when its released. Id like to see a model without the thumb safety.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting. The gun already had a 1911 grip angle. Now they are making a single stack version with a thumb safety? </div></div>

    The standard M&Ps can be had with a thumb safety, or at least their site says. I've yet to see one at a LGS but haven't looked that hard either. The M&P's grip is the most comfortable handgun i've held to date. I held a M&P and immediately regretted buying my Glock 21. Now granted I do favor the extra three rounds the 21 has over the M&P45, but that grip was ridiculous to me. I've held 1911s and like the grip alot problem is i haven't held one with slim grips. I have little hands and the fact on a 1911 with regular grips that i have to alter my grip to hit the mag release bothers me. Obviously this is where VZ G10 grips or their "scoops" come in.

    I think it's a nice profiled CC gun. Again i would love to see it in .45 or .40.
     
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    Agreed, 45 would be awesome. I bet it would be closer to 7 rounds though.
     
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    I figured with the extension of of the grip with the mag it might be able to squeeze 8/9rds 7 seems more realistic as you said but 8 .45 would be nice.

    <span style="font-weight: bold">Updated original post with video</span>
     
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    aghhh bastards. I just broke down and bought a Kahr CM9 because I couldn't find anything close to my M&P's that would work for pocket carry. Will just have to see how small this shield turns out to be.
     
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    If they release a 40/45 it would be my CC weapon of choice for sure. Thing looks tiny. Though i do really like an Ed Brown Kobra Carry, bit of a larger profile weapon but i think it suites a CC weapon in every aspect IMO, also i just like 1911s lol.
     
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    <span style="font-weight: bold">Updated with a second video</span>

    In the second video he mentions that a .40 is coming
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    Definitely interesting. I have an M&P9C and am gonna have to go to the LGS to compare sizes. I dislike an external thumb safety on a striker fired gun, so hopefully there is an option to buy without the safety.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigMerv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Definitely interesting. I have an M&P9C and am gonna have to go to the LGS to compare sizes. I dislike an external thumb safety on a striker fired gun, so hopefully there is an option to buy without the safety.</div></div>

    I'm sure there will be. As the full size M&P lineup has options for mag safety, thumb safety, or no safety.
     
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    I would love to have a tiny M&P single stack. I might even sell my EMP for one, or at least the option. EMP = 25 ounces. This gun = 19 ounces. That's no slouch!
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kujo929</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aghhh bastards. I just broke down and bought a Kahr CM9 because I couldn't find anything close to my M&P's that would work for pocket carry. Will just have to see how small this shield turns out to be. </div></div>

    It looks too big for pocket carry which means, for me, they wasted energy making a reduced round capacity 9 mm that still has to be carried on a belt holster. If it doesn't go in my pocket the current stable of pistols work for me.
     
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    I snagged one tonight on gunbroker for $400 + $20 shipping. I thought I was going to be SOL since the other dealer selling them for $399 + $20 shipping sold out earlier today and all the others were $460+ after shipping. It figures I buy a bodyguard last week because it's really the only decent offering in the type and then S&W releases this. Ohh well, now I have a gun for pocket carry and a gun for deep concealment IWB carry.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I snagged one tonight on gunbroker for $400 + $20 shipping. I thought I was going to be SOL since the other dealer selling them for $399 + $20 shipping sold out earlier today and all the others were $460+ after shipping. It figures I buy a bodyguard last week because it's really the only decent offering in the type and then S&W releases this. Ohh well, now I have a gun for pocket carry and a gun for deep concealment IWB carry. </div></div>

    You're going to love it as long as you are not expecting a pocket gun.
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    My M&P Shield:

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    I'm definitely not expecting a pocket gun out of it, the bodyguard is barely a pocket gun and depending on the pants doesn't make a good pocket gun. I quickly learned to enjoy a slim pistol after always carrying compact guns that were full width and finally picking up a bodyguard. I think this will fill the void between full width and the BG.
     
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    The Shield is 6" long, 4.5" tall and 1" thick.

    For comparison, my Kahr PM9 with magazine is 5.5" x 4" x 7/8"

    I think thats a decent bit ...
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Shield is 6" long, 4.5" tall and 1" thick.

    For comparison, my Kahr PM9 with magazine is 5.5" x 4" x 7/8"

    I think thats a decent bit ... </div></div>

    My PM9 measures: 5.5" x 4" x .90(grip) and 1"(slide stop).

    Shield is 6" x 4.45" x .96"(grip) and 1"(take down lever).

    For pocket it makes a difference, in a holster i'll take the M&P Shield.

    There's a reason why they make so many different guns, one size does not fit all.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm definitely not expecting a pocket gun out of it, the bodyguard is barely a pocket gun and depending on the pants doesn't make a good pocket gun. I quickly learned to enjoy a slim pistol after always carrying compact guns that were full width and finally picking up a bodyguard. I think this will fill the void between full width and the BG. </div></div>

    Then you will love it guaranteed.
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    Re: New M&P9 CC "shield"

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stmcelroy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Shield is 6" long, 4.5" tall and 1" thick.

    For comparison, my Kahr PM9 with magazine is 5.5" x 4" x 7/8"

    I think thats a decent bit ... </div></div>

    My PM9 measures: 5.5" x 4" x .90(grip) and 1"(slide stop).

    Shield is 6" x 4.45" x .96"(grip) and 1"(take down lever).

    For pocket it makes a difference, in a holster i'll take the M&P Shield.

    There's a reason why they make so many different guns, one size does not fit all. </div></div>

    Great point. I pocket carry 90+% of the time, and I've found the Kahr PM9 to be the best blend of power/size/shootability out there - for ME. It has become my gold standard by which all others are judged.

    I'll bet that SA trigger on the shield is WAY better for good shooting than the Kahr - but not ideal for a pocket gun.

    Think I'll rent one of these soon, though I can't think of what its philoof use would be for me. As soon as I decide to carry out of pocket, it's either a G29 OWB, or a G20 in an Alessi shoulder rig.
     
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    Looking for more thoughts from those who have purchased. I already own two m&p's and waiting on one more. If they do this in the 4.25 .45 with thumb safety I'd buy.

    Anyone who bought one had any real trigger time with it yet?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SoTex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for more thoughts from those who have purchased. I already own two m&p's and waiting on one more. If they do this in the 4.25 .45 with thumb safety I'd buy.

    Anyone who bought one had any real trigger time with it yet? </div></div>

    Put 94 rounds through mine yesterday afternoon to test reliability and accuracy. No issues and more accurate than me.
     
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    The rep let everyone in our shop shoot this the other day. It was very nice and accurate. We all had no problems keeping 1-2 inch groups at 25 feet. I know that's not Bullseye quality but for what it is, it shoots quite well. We shot the 9mm version and from what I understand there is going to be a 40 S&W coming out next. If you are looking for a good subcompact style but not one of the LC9s, or the other thin polymers then this is it. The recoil was manageable and not snappy at all. And there's my .02
     
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    I got to check one out yesterday. This thing is pretty big. I'm curious about philosophy of use, for y'all digging this thing. There are many other pistols, with equal capacity, that are substantially smaller. PF9, PM9, 290, LC9, NANO all come to mind. Those fit in the pocket.

    I guess I wonder: if you're going to carry in a holster on the belt, wouldn't you just assume carry a slightly bigger/thicker pistol with better capacity? Or, if every .1" in size is important to you, why not choose a smaller pistol with equal capacity?

    Not bashing, just interested in learning the appeal.
     
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    +1

    Im planning on getting a 9mm polymer gun for iwb carry. I have been looking at the m&p 9 full size and the m&p9c. I just dont see alot of advantages over the 9c.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got to check one out yesterday. This thing is pretty big. I'm curious about philosophy of use, for y'all digging this thing. There are many other pistols, with equal capacity, that are substantially smaller. PF9, PM9, 290, LC9, NANO all come to mind. Those fit in the pocket.

    I guess I wonder: if you're going to carry in a holster on the belt, wouldn't you just assume carry a slightly bigger/thicker pistol with better capacity? Or, if every .1" in size is important to you, why not choose a smaller pistol with equal capacity?

    Not bashing, just interested in learning the appeal. </div></div>

    For me it comes down to ease of carrying, ergonomics and trigger.

    The Shield is very easy to carry IWB, OWB or even pocket in my shorts pockets.

    It fits my hand/hands very well, much better than some of the other guns you mentioned.

    The trigger is similar to the other M&P's I own, and maybe even a hair better.

    I've owned, shot or messed with all the guns you mentioned(PF9, PM9, 290, LC9, NANO). For me the PF9 trigger sucks, PM9 is ok but still not the trigger I prefer, 290 just sucks, LC9 has a bad trigger, and the Nano ergonomics don't work for me. To top none of them are really any more pocket-able than the Shield.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got to check one out yesterday. This thing is pretty big. I'm curious about philosophy of use, for y'all digging this thing. There are many other pistols, with equal capacity, that are substantially smaller. PF9, PM9, 290, LC9, NANO all come to mind. Those fit in the pocket.

    I guess I wonder: if you're going to carry in a holster on the belt, wouldn't you just assume carry a slightly bigger/thicker pistol with better capacity? Or, if every .1" in size is important to you, why not choose a smaller pistol with equal capacity?

    Not bashing, just interested in learning the appeal. </div></div>

    Between this thread and the other it's obvious you're a hater for whatever reason. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

    I've shot all the other comparable guns that you mentioned, the PF9 was a piece of crap all around, the PM9 had a horrible trigger and is overpriced for what it is, the Nano has its own issues as does the Walther PPS. The only one I found decent out of the bunch is the LC9 and I was considering one until this was released. A friend of mine bought one and it stove pipes constantly but I'd still take it over the others.

    I feel this will be a much better pistol than the competition. I could care less about pocket carry with it. IMO all of them are too big for pocket carry, thats best left to the little 380's. This will serve great for IWB carry which I'm sure is the idea SW had in mind.
     
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    I've been carrying a Walther PPS for four years. I thought, at least for me, the PPS had everything I could want. The Shield, IMHO, is far and away a better gun. Ergos are great and accuracy is too. The Shield provides the trigger reset that many say the M&P needs to be "perfect". It is positive and has the audible click on reset. It is a pocket gun, depending on the pocket. Size is comparable to the 342 I carry in my pocket.
    BTW, the Shield wins hands down over the M&P9c.
     
    Re: New M&P9 CC "shield"

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stmcelroy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got to check one out yesterday. This thing is pretty big. I'm curious about philosophy of use, for y'all digging this thing. There are many other pistols, with equal capacity, that are substantially smaller. PF9, PM9, 290, LC9, NANO all come to mind. Those fit in the pocket.

    I guess I wonder: if you're going to carry in a holster on the belt, wouldn't you just assume carry a slightly bigger/thicker pistol with better capacity? Or, if every .1" in size is important to you, why not choose a smaller pistol with equal capacity?

    Not bashing, just interested in learning the appeal. </div></div>

    For me it comes down to ease of carrying, ergonomics and trigger.

    The Shield is very easy to carry IWB, OWB or even pocket in my shorts pockets.

    It fits my hand/hands very well, much better than some of the other guns you mentioned.

    The trigger is similar to the other M&P's I own, and maybe even a hair better.

    I've owned, shot or messed with all the guns you mentioned(PF9, PM9, 290, LC9, NANO). For me the PF9 trigger sucks, PM9 is ok but still not the trigger I prefer, 290 just sucks, LC9 has a bad trigger, and the Nano ergonomics don't work for me. To top none of them are really any more pocket-able than the Shield.


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    Personally, I just skip the whole 9mm thing and pocket carry a 3" 1911 in .45 Auto. The PF9 has its issues, the PM9 not much better, the 290 is shaped all wrong, and the LC9 has the same problems in different ways. I like the Nano the best out of the available options, but it's still not that impressive.

    I strongly suspect the P938 will come to dominate the market once it finally starts shipping, provided that it functions reliably. The P238 is a great pistol (and this is coming from someone deeply disgusted by Sig in general), so scaling it up to 9mm is a natural improvement.
     
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    There are points to carrying a micro 45 but there are also negatives as well. There is a lot of recoil and muzzle flip from the 45 being that small. Being in sales all of us have different preferences and different sized hands. For some the new Shield will be great, others maybe not. So unless you handled the PF9, PM9, LC9, and other small ones and have shot them, you shouldn't really throw an opinion on them. I handle the stuff all the time and it is a clear case of what works best for different people will not all be the same gun. You do not have to like the new Shield. If you have question it, ask someone that has one and stop bitching about it or how the others are better or worse.
     
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    A 1911 is also far from the lightest thing you can carry, they're very heavy for the size. The shield weigh 19oz empty which will put it around 23oz loaded depending on what grain bullet you run.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigWill214</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are points to carrying a micro 45 but there are also negatives as well. There is a lot of recoil and muzzle flip from the 45 being that small. Being in sales all of us have different preferences and different sized hands. For some the new Shield will be great, others maybe not. So unless you handled the PF9, PM9, LC9, and other small ones and have shot them, you shouldn't really throw an opinion on them. I handle the stuff all the time and it is a clear case of what works best for different people will not all be the same gun. You do not have to like the new Shield. If you have question it, ask someone that has one and stop bitching about it or how the others are better or worse. </div></div>

    Working in retail I've sold and shot all of those pistols at one point or another over the past few years, and owned some of them as well. It would not be an exaggeration to say that I've literally sold thousands of handguns to people of all shapes and sizes, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about. I'd agree that every person has a different solution for what works for them, but there are several points that I tend to focus upon:

    1: Going to a smaller caliber doesn't mean you're going to have less kick than that of the larger if your firearm decreases in size and weight commensurately.

    2: Sooner or later you have to accept that there are two realistic endpoints: revamping one's wardrobe around a preferred carry pistol of sufficient size and power to be useful, or picking a carry pistol that fits one's pre-existing mode of dress.

    3: Regardless of caliber, if you can't shoot the weapon and hit a target due to gross uncontrollability or lack of practice, you're no longer carrying a tool for fighting but rather a tool for scaring someone away.

    Personally I tend to advocate that people shoot a hell of a lot more than they do, and that they get serious about how and where they're going to carry a pistol. Mindset is more important than all of the rest put together, but sadly that's not something as easily given to the customer as a good holster or a properly functioning magazine.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 1911 is also far from the lightest thing you can carry, they're very heavy for the size. The shield weigh 19oz empty which will put it around 23oz loaded depending on what grain bullet you run.</div></div>

    They are heavier, but whether that amount is sufficient to matter is a question of personal preference. A fully-loaded lightweight 3" 1911 is going to be about 32oz. As you point out, topped up with a full load of 9mm the Shield is going to be about 9 ounces lighter. In my experience having carried both 9mm polymer-framed pocket pistols, and a 3" 1911, regardless both are roughly the same comfort level when carried in a good pocket holster - unless of course you're running or doing parkour, in which case the weight will become a greater comfort factor. I weigh about 145lb soaking wet, so this isn't coming from someone carrying their pistol in a flab fold. It's just a matter of bucking popular perception and actually trying something out to determine what really works and what doesn't.
     
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    Arbiter... What has made you disgusted with SIG? The 238 with the extended magazine/grip felt pretty comfortable to handle but at the same point I have yet to shoot it. I would see it as being more of a good pocket pistol. As far as the Shield goes, some larger people that weigh more than the 145 range (no offense) may find the shield no problem to carry. Also different police agencies that use the M&P for their duty gun may find the shield a nice addition for their back up or off duty carry gun.
     
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    Just picked mine up. I'm taking it to the range tomorrow. I really like the way it feels so far.

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is that ^^^ I might need one of those too!
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    "Crossbreed" style holster. It's for the owner of Brightwater Ventures.

    Only the second one i've built and first I actually tried on. Was really comfortable, I could probably deal with IWB with one.
     
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    Wonder how it compares to the new XDS.
     
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    I agree, was pondering the XDs, love the XD platform, but haven't read a single negative review of the M&P Shield yet
     
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    250 rounds since out of the box without any issue. But, I did expect that kind of performance. I already had a Desantis Mini Slide and the Shield fits it perfectly.
     
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