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My one of a kind long range rig.

Wigglesdabum

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Hello all, So I chased a dream when it came to what I wanted in a 7.62x54r long range weapon. I did the build that some attempted a while back with the Uk-59 medium machine gun barrels that were machined to fit a mosin nagant receiver. Long story short I ended up with a heavy barrel chrome lined mosin nagant. I had a timney trigger put in it( can be adjusted to 1lb), glass bed the stock and bedded the scope mount, free floated barrel, pillared the receiver, trued the bolt face and receiver face, re-crowned, flash suppressor, and a cheek rest. I haven’t gotten a chance to fire it myself but the gunsmith who did the work reported 1 MOA with white box Winchester ammo. Once I work up a hand load I can be below 1 MOA I believe. I also have one question but I wanted to show off the rifle first.

My question is how can I get the ballistics for a weapon that is so unique? I want a good chart but I don’t think that the standard information applies to all this. I had this rig built so I could learn about the science of long range marksmanship with cheaper ammunition so I am not at all a know it all. I would appreciate any information you guys have on this.
 
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Any of the new ballistics programs can easily handle this.

Regards, Paul.
 
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Yea I just got schooled up on another forum I posted this. Like I said I am totally new at this long range stuff. I appreciate the feedback though.
 
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Sorry I can't help you with the info you are searching for, but I wanted to say "Damn, that is the most awesome Nagant I have ever seen"!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks great! Who made the stock or was that bought online?</div></div>

Made custom by a guy named Aaron Henderson. Here is his website:
http://loweldesigns.com/
 
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Looks pretty unique and functional. The purists are going to hate you as they did another member who modded his MG, but as long as you are happy screw them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks pretty unique and functional. The purists are going to hate you as they did another member who modded his MG, but as long as you are happy screw them.

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Oh yea i know I have gotten a little flak from that type already.
 
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Man, screw the flak, that rifle is unique and looks awesome as hell.
 
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Get your weather info from NOAA. Then find out what velocity and B.C. your bullet has. Then plug the numbers into JBM's online ballistics calculator.
 
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Barrels of these MGs are supposed to be pretty good and accurate. You have a very unique and nice rifle. Screw anyone who says different. I especially like the combination of wood and matt metal parts.
I would be interested in a range report, after you work out a load.
 
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DUDE! are you freaking serious? That is one of the coolest rifles I have seen (PERIOD) let alone a Nagant. I am very impressed let us know how it shoots. Truly a one of a kind and I love it.
 
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I am glad you guys are receiving it well hah. I haven't decided on the load yet I have some surplus I need to test on it first to see if it likes heavy or light ball better then I can go from there I guess. I am pretty new at reloading as well, I only have done some .45 a while ago. But I just need to find a good load and stick to it. How long do you guys figure a barrel like this would last round count wise before it starts to lose its accuracy noticeably?
 
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Don't worry about barrel life. It's not a magnum cartridge, similar to the .06. Provided you don't load hot, many thousands of rounds.

Building that rifle is a total waste of time and money to send corrosive surplus ammo down the tube. You need to handload.

My pet load is the 174 grain SMK over 43.5 of Varget. RE-15 printed some decent groups as well. Nothing special about the 7.62 x 54R- just do some load work-ups and shoot it.
 
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You didn't say if your barrel was used on the machinegun or not. You did say it was chrome-lined however, so if new I would guess a barrel life upwards of 7,000 rounds.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You didn't say if your barrel was used on the machinegun or not. You did say it was chrome-lined however, so if new I would guess a barrel life upwards of 7,000 rounds. </div></div>

Yes it was new old stock. Sorry I should have included that. Thanks for the info.


Also on the corrosion deal. I don't believe shooting corrosive is bad as long as you do proper weapons maintenance after you leave the range.
 
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Looks great. Looking forward to a range report with some good ammo.
 
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I have seen that other MG barrels start to degrade in precision about 5k but can still put decent suppression. If its to be used for precision I would go no higher than 5k but if you use it for other less precise things you will be able to push it easily up to 7k. But man that thing is awesome.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks pretty unique and functional. The purists are going to hate you as they did another member who modded his MG, but as long as you are happy screw them.

</div></div>There are purists who care about $99 rifles?

(Cool project, OP. That rifle looks awesome.)
 
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i think its awesome, i spent as much as a custom rifle on a mauser k98 and would do it again in a heart beat. enjoy the gun and shoot the piss out of it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks pretty unique and functional. The purists are going to hate you as they did another member who modded his MG, but as long as you are happy screw them.

</div></div>There are purists who care about $99 rifles?

(Cool project, OP. That rifle looks awesome.) </div></div>

Yea beats me I dont understand it either.

I am curious if you guys have any input on how I could deal with the lack of magazine capacity. There is a fellow on another forum working on a 10 round Magazine for the nagant pictured here.

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As soon as that comes out I will add it on my rifle but I would still have to load rounds 1 by 1. If you have an Idea I would appreciate any input.
 
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i love this thing, normally i hate on Mossin's that are not sako in origan but DAMN that is sexy

link to were u bought barrel?
 
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I bought my barrel from tnguns.com. However the surplus on these has dried up and the price sky rocketed because of mine and various other builds. When I originally bought the barrel it only cost $70. Towards the end of the surplus of these the price was up to $150 , now who knows. The bulk of the cost of this build went to the gunsmith. It however paid off and I came in a little over that 1k for all you see here.

If you were serious about doing this build I would suggest watching GunBroker. Because of the amount of waiting time and skill on the gunsmiths part this takes alot of people gave up on this build and the barrels should start to turn up shortly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wigglesdabum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought my barrel from tnguns.com. However the surplus on these has dried up and the price sky rocketed because of mine and various other builds. When I originally bought the barrel it only cost $70. Towards the end of the surplus of these the price was up to $150 , now who knows. The bulk of the cost of this build went to the gunsmith. It however paid off and I came in a little over that 1k for all you see here.

If you were serious about doing this build I would suggest watching GunBroker. Because of the amount of waiting time and skill on the gunsmiths part this takes alot of people gave up on this build and the barrels should start to turn up shortly. </div></div>



i have friend that work in class 3 shops so i can prob get my hands on one if need be, i fig i would ask in case i did want to build one, but my 2 r700 build are keeping me broke enough

bad ass build tho
 
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Thanks I planned it while I was on a MEU so I had plenty of time to sit and plan it hah. Yea if you try to hunt one down it is a UK-59 Machine gun barrel it starts off looking like the barrel pictured below:

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After the truing, how is the cycling. I have a couple of those Mosin's and as you warm them up a bit they seem to get more and more difficult to cycle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After the truing, how is the cycling. I have a couple of those Mosin's and as you warm them up a bit they seem to get more and more difficult to cycle.
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Not sure yet, I havent gotten a chance to shoot it yet. But it cycles pretty good when dry firing. I can still work the bolt and be holding my sight picture. It obviously not near as smooth as a 700 or anything.
 
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Very nice build! The stock is beautiful. Is there a reason you have the scope so high? I'd bring it down as low as you can get it. You'll also be able to lower the Karsten some. What ranges do you plan on shooting? Is your base canted?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very nice build! The stock is beautiful. Is there a reason you have the scope so high? I'd bring it down as low as you can get it. You'll also be able to lower the Karsten some. What ranges do you plan on shooting? Is your base canted? </div></div>

The only reason is that the rail is pretty large so it has to be up that high. Its the only one made for mosin nagants that actually will hold its zero. I considered getting lower profile rings but I will have to look into that later. No the base is not canted.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Beautiful! Did I really say that about a Nagant?

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HAHAHA I thought and said the same to myself!

NICE JOB BROTHER...
 
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I was not expecting to see that. Iam very impressed with that. You need to get it out and shoot it. I am intrested to hear how it shoots.

There is a group buy for lapua 7.62x53r at a very good price. You might want to look into that.
 
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here is the group shot by my gunsmith way back when he completed the work. I will be shooting it hopefully on the 12th so I can post up some pictures then. I am not a good shot so I will do what I can hah.

I went ahead and purchased some Sierra Match King 174gr HPBTMK bullets and hope to see how those go. I have to shoot out this Privi ammo first to use the brass however.

Could you show me where that group buy is I cant seem to find it. Thanks for the complements guys.
 
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Smith obviously did you good. Nice group- especially from factory ammo.

Try 43.5 grains of Varget under those SMK's. Works for me...completely different barrel though, so YMMV.
 
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I have to say I'm really impressed. I've been pondering the idea of buying one of these and what you were able to do with yours makes it even more tempting.

Sorry if I missed it, can you tell me a little info about the bolt handle (brand and total cost after install). Also, what year, style and arsenal produced the receiver that you have?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Valere</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have to say I'm really impressed. I've been pondering the idea of buying one of these and what you were able to do with yours makes it even more tempting.

Sorry if I missed it, can you tell me a little info about the bolt handle (brand and total cost after install). Also, what year, style and arsenal produced the receiver that you have? </div></div>

I got the work done by a guy who goes by Boltman, I put his website below. It was $50 bucks for him to modify my original bolt.

http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/boltman/bolt_work/

He does take a while because he is a one man operation , but he does excellent work. The receiver was a round 1940 Izzy I believe. Not totally sure on the manufacturer.
 
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That is one of the coolest Nagant's I have ever seen! Screw anyone who says differently.
 
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Well I finally got it to the range, and shot a 5 round group. I KNOW the rifle can shoot better than this. I am just a beginner at the long range work so Someone much better skilled than I could probably pull a tighter group. It shot 1.1 inches at 100 with 174 gr Sierra Matchkings and 49 gr of Accurate 4350. I was using a speed loader to charge my casings but now I am going to switch to hand measuring each charge so I know they are perfect. I need to work on my follow through while shooting as well. All around alot to be worked on but I am happy with the results right now.


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can you give any info regarding the trued bolt face and receiver face? What is the purpose of that? With a floating bolt design, doesn't that negate the necessity for a trued bolt face? Also, what does your barrel slug to??

I'm in the process of a similar build. How much in total was all the smithing?

also, how much did the stock cost from lowel designs?
 
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Also, what brand is the cheek piece? Was it an add in from the guy that made the stock?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HispanicPanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">can you give any info regarding the trued bolt face and receiver face? What is the purpose of that? With a floating bolt design, doesn't that negate the necessity for a trued bolt face? Also, what does your barrel slug to??

I'm in the process of a similar build. How much in total was all the smithing?

also, how much did the stock cost from lowel designs? </div></div>

Im not a gun smith by any means but I was told that the trued reciever face makes the barrel lock up evenly and helps the harmonics of the barrel. And I was told that the bolt face makes sure that it locks up evenly around the chamber. I didnt slug the barrel and I shoot .311 bullets out of it. The smithing is going to cost you all in all about 650 ish I was given a deal because I was active Marine Corps at the time. I cant remember the price of the stock. The check rest is karstens.

I got to the range again and was actually able to pull out .5 MOA with the rifle finally. I can do it if I take my time and focus on the fundamentals of long range shooting but it is going to be a long time till I can make it muscle memory. Here is a picture of the target:

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Im pretty proud of myself and the rifle. I know alot of you guys have done far far better but its the best group I have shot with any rifle to date and am slowly but surely getting there( with the help of some outstanding mentors)