My range at Cumberland riflemen in NJ has banned bump fire because it's dangerous .Its uncontrolable fire and has no place on the plinking range.Now I have bumped fire from the shoulder and it was controllable.Just as controllable as rapid fire.From the hip a little less so but still well within the berm besides we can only fire 14 rounds at one time it's not as if it was a 30 or 40 round mag ......what do you all think I feel it's because it sounds like automatic fire and scares the executive board at the club.
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Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
because bump firing is dumb as hell and most times with the general population cannot do it safely........
because bump firing is dumb as hell and most times with the general population cannot do it safely........
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Other than being fun, bump firing really has no practical use. The rifle range I go to doesn't allow rapid firing in general.
Other than being fun, bump firing really has no practical use. The rifle range I go to doesn't allow rapid firing in general.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
It's because semi-auto weapons don't have a hammer disconnector, unlike full-auto weapons which prevents the hammer from dropping before the weapon is in battery; so there is nothing to prevent an out of battery fire causing the whole weapon to explode and taking your hand with it. The difference between a SA and FA trigger pack isn't just the sear, there are plenty of other parts in there that make it safe to shoot, none of which are included in SA weapons.
If you look on these two HK trigger packs, besides the cut out which removes the 3rd hole, you'll notice the extra lever on the FA pack, that is an interrupter which holds the hammer in place until the bolt carrier is fully forward.
It's because semi-auto weapons don't have a hammer disconnector, unlike full-auto weapons which prevents the hammer from dropping before the weapon is in battery; so there is nothing to prevent an out of battery fire causing the whole weapon to explode and taking your hand with it. The difference between a SA and FA trigger pack isn't just the sear, there are plenty of other parts in there that make it safe to shoot, none of which are included in SA weapons.
If you look on these two HK trigger packs, besides the cut out which removes the 3rd hole, you'll notice the extra lever on the FA pack, that is an interrupter which holds the hammer in place until the bolt carrier is fully forward.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wolvenhaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's because semi-auto weapons don't have a hammer disconnector, unlike full-auto weapons which prevents the hammer from dropping before the weapon is in battery; so there is nothing to prevent an out of battery fire causing the whole weapon to explode and taking your hand with it. The difference between a SA and FA trigger pack isn't just the sear, there are plenty of other parts in there that make it safe to shoot, none of which are included in SA weapons.
If you look on these two HK trigger packs, besides the cut out which removes the 3rd hole, you'll notice the extra lever on the FA pack, that is an interrupter which holds the hammer in place until the bolt carrier is fully forward. </div></div>
I have seen an out of battery firing. It blew an ak all to hell and cut up his right side and wrist. I'll have to find the video and post it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wolvenhaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's because semi-auto weapons don't have a hammer disconnector, unlike full-auto weapons which prevents the hammer from dropping before the weapon is in battery; so there is nothing to prevent an out of battery fire causing the whole weapon to explode and taking your hand with it. The difference between a SA and FA trigger pack isn't just the sear, there are plenty of other parts in there that make it safe to shoot, none of which are included in SA weapons.
If you look on these two HK trigger packs, besides the cut out which removes the 3rd hole, you'll notice the extra lever on the FA pack, that is an interrupter which holds the hammer in place until the bolt carrier is fully forward. </div></div>
I have seen an out of battery firing. It blew an ak all to hell and cut up his right side and wrist. I'll have to find the video and post it.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
this didn't go quite as planned did it Beretta??????
this didn't go quite as planned did it Beretta??????
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
You might get more sympathetic views over on the black rifle forums....
I am not sure what the draw to bumping is or why anyone would even bother. Maybe it looks cool on video or something. Half ass uncontrolled rounds down range that your likely not hitting remotely near your target. Sounds like this crowd has been doing it wrong.
You might get more sympathetic views over on the black rifle forums....
I am not sure what the draw to bumping is or why anyone would even bother. Maybe it looks cool on video or something. Half ass uncontrolled rounds down range that your likely not hitting remotely near your target. Sounds like this crowd has been doing it wrong.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Beretta;
You know me.
I think the Club leadership is being reasonable. I think bump firing is a deliberate effort to circumvent legal restrictions on full auto firearms.
I'm not sure why folks do it, but impressions are important, and the impression I get from bump firing is not a responsible one.
I'd pick a more responsible firearms issue to wage a campaign against.
Greg
Beretta;
You know me.
I think the Club leadership is being reasonable. I think bump firing is a deliberate effort to circumvent legal restrictions on full auto firearms.
I'm not sure why folks do it, but impressions are important, and the impression I get from bump firing is not a responsible one.
I'd pick a more responsible firearms issue to wage a campaign against.
Greg
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
I think it's a very reasonable measure, given the abilities (or lack thereof) of the general public.
In addition to the aforementioned concerns about out-of-battery ignition and keeping the rounds within the berm, there is also the simple matter of courtesy to any neighbors of the range.
Not knowing more about the range location and history, it's hard to assess the reasonableness of this rule. I do know that the perspective changes dramatically when one goes from a simple user of the facility to one who is legally responsible for maintaining the safety of the users and bystanders.
I think it's a very reasonable measure, given the abilities (or lack thereof) of the general public.
In addition to the aforementioned concerns about out-of-battery ignition and keeping the rounds within the berm, there is also the simple matter of courtesy to any neighbors of the range.
Not knowing more about the range location and history, it's hard to assess the reasonableness of this rule. I do know that the perspective changes dramatically when one goes from a simple user of the facility to one who is legally responsible for maintaining the safety of the users and bystanders.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Their club, their rules! Don't like it, build your own range.
Their club, their rules! Don't like it, build your own range.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
I have three opinions on this
1. Bump firing is gay.
2. People should be free to be a stupid as they want as long as they don't interfere with someone else. If you enjoy bump firing fine, just keep it under control.
3. It's private property, if you don't like the rules don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
I have three opinions on this
1. Bump firing is gay.
2. People should be free to be a stupid as they want as long as they don't interfere with someone else. If you enjoy bump firing fine, just keep it under control.
3. It's private property, if you don't like the rules don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am not sure what the draw to bumping is or why anyone would even bother. Maybe it looks cool on video or something. Half ass uncontrolled rounds down range that your likely not hitting remotely near your target. Sounds like this crowd has been doing it wrong. </div></div>
Simply put, it's an affordable way to shoot close to full auto rate without the cost and red tape to go through to actually own one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am not sure what the draw to bumping is or why anyone would even bother. Maybe it looks cool on video or something. Half ass uncontrolled rounds down range that your likely not hitting remotely near your target. Sounds like this crowd has been doing it wrong. </div></div>
Simply put, it's an affordable way to shoot close to full auto rate without the cost and red tape to go through to actually own one.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am not sure what the draw to bumping is or why anyone would even bother. Maybe it looks cool on video or something. Half ass uncontrolled rounds down range that your likely not hitting remotely near your target. Sounds like this crowd has been doing it wrong. </div></div>
Simply put, it's an affordable way to shoot close to full auto rate without the cost and red tape to go through to actually own one. </div></div>
Seriously? There is a range about 25-30 miles from my house that will rent you a full auto weapon.... Its actually closer to my house than going to Tac Pro. Gonna put some uncontrolled rounds down range and hit jack shit you might as well use someone else's gun.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am not sure what the draw to bumping is or why anyone would even bother. Maybe it looks cool on video or something. Half ass uncontrolled rounds down range that your likely not hitting remotely near your target. Sounds like this crowd has been doing it wrong. </div></div>
Simply put, it's an affordable way to shoot close to full auto rate without the cost and red tape to go through to actually own one. </div></div>
Seriously? There is a range about 25-30 miles from my house that will rent you a full auto weapon.... Its actually closer to my house than going to Tac Pro. Gonna put some uncontrolled rounds down range and hit jack shit you might as well use someone else's gun.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
I don't have a problem with it personally. It's kind of fun, and I'll do it once in a while with my AK.
However, as was said earlier, the club does belong to the owner. And if he doesn't want you to bump fire, then don't.
I don't have a problem with it personally. It's kind of fun, and I'll do it once in a while with my AK.
However, as was said earlier, the club does belong to the owner. And if he doesn't want you to bump fire, then don't.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
it is not actually firing without control.One can master short bursts using the recoil of the rifle .I would like to see the out of battery condition causing an explosion of the ak rifle.There are companies that make devices for bump firing .Ive seen a device that allows a saga 12 ga shotgun to shoot bump firing without an issue.Im not sure how dangerous this really is.I know quite a few shooters who do the bump fire technique some here as well.
it is not actually firing without control.One can master short bursts using the recoil of the rifle .I would like to see the out of battery condition causing an explosion of the ak rifle.There are companies that make devices for bump firing .Ive seen a device that allows a saga 12 ga shotgun to shoot bump firing without an issue.Im not sure how dangerous this really is.I know quite a few shooters who do the bump fire technique some here as well.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
SlideFire stocks are specifically banned from the club I belong to. That is OK by me. Full auto weapons are allowed in specified areas after completion of a certification by range safety staff. I'm OK with that too, especially since it is an improvement to the rules from when I originally joined. Then there was no tolerance for FA on the range then.
When I ran a range I specified that all rounds must impact a terminal berm. Too many rounds go out of the range when the AK or SKS (10/22 for that matter) are rapid fired from the hip or bumped.
Range rules are put in place to protect the interest and safety of ALL members. I'm sure there are lots of rules at your range that you do approve of.
SlideFire stocks are specifically banned from the club I belong to. That is OK by me. Full auto weapons are allowed in specified areas after completion of a certification by range safety staff. I'm OK with that too, especially since it is an improvement to the rules from when I originally joined. Then there was no tolerance for FA on the range then.
When I ran a range I specified that all rounds must impact a terminal berm. Too many rounds go out of the range when the AK or SKS (10/22 for that matter) are rapid fired from the hip or bumped.
Range rules are put in place to protect the interest and safety of ALL members. I'm sure there are lots of rules at your range that you do approve of.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Ya'll should be happy that you can load your mags. At the Military range where I shoot, you're only allowed to single feed a cartridge at a time. No loaded mags at all.
That rule must be a hold-over from the old musket days. The canadian military hasn't evolved much, I guess.
Ya'll should be happy that you can load your mags. At the Military range where I shoot, you're only allowed to single feed a cartridge at a time. No loaded mags at all.
That rule must be a hold-over from the old musket days. The canadian military hasn't evolved much, I guess.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Some comments here are interesting regarding this issue.I suppose soon Sean the nailer we will all be shooting one round at a time.I just wanted to see what the issues were elsewhere.When I was in the military full auto was taught .Trigger control and common sense safety was still the rule.I understand guys skipping rounds off the ground and flying over the berm.Seen guys with 22cal do that in rapid fire and slow fire.I also have seen ar15 's blow apart with one round fired so not sure about the bump fire issue being dangerous because it is not cycling as fast as full auto IMHO.
Some comments here are interesting regarding this issue.I suppose soon Sean the nailer we will all be shooting one round at a time.I just wanted to see what the issues were elsewhere.When I was in the military full auto was taught .Trigger control and common sense safety was still the rule.I understand guys skipping rounds off the ground and flying over the berm.Seen guys with 22cal do that in rapid fire and slow fire.I also have seen ar15 's blow apart with one round fired so not sure about the bump fire issue being dangerous because it is not cycling as fast as full auto IMHO.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also have seen ar15 's blow apart with one round fired so not sure about the bump fire issue being dangerous because it is not cycling as fast as full auto IMHO. </div></div>
The cyclic rate doesn't matter at all, you're completely missing the point here. The issue is at what point does the hammer fall during the process. If it falls when the bolt is in battery, it will function fine; if it falls right as the bolt is fully rearward the hammer will just ride the bolt down into battery and won't do anything and you'll have a dud; it's when the hammer falls when the bolt is halfway into battery that it becomes dangerous, as the hammer now has enough force to strike the firing pin and primer.
Just think back to every time you've ever bump fired, all of those times you had to eject a live round that failed to fire could have been the one that went off out of battery. You can't practice or train for it, and you sure as hell can't be certain, because all it takes is a thousandth of a second difference between one round and the next for it to go wrong.
I could care less about the spirit of the law and the bumpfire stocks, what bothers me is that the rifles weren't designed for it, that the majority of the idiots who enjoy bump firing don't know that, and that they're going to get ranges screwed up/closed down or injure someone else due to their idiocy with trying to be "cool" by being cheap.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also have seen ar15 's blow apart with one round fired so not sure about the bump fire issue being dangerous because it is not cycling as fast as full auto IMHO. </div></div>
The cyclic rate doesn't matter at all, you're completely missing the point here. The issue is at what point does the hammer fall during the process. If it falls when the bolt is in battery, it will function fine; if it falls right as the bolt is fully rearward the hammer will just ride the bolt down into battery and won't do anything and you'll have a dud; it's when the hammer falls when the bolt is halfway into battery that it becomes dangerous, as the hammer now has enough force to strike the firing pin and primer.
Just think back to every time you've ever bump fired, all of those times you had to eject a live round that failed to fire could have been the one that went off out of battery. You can't practice or train for it, and you sure as hell can't be certain, because all it takes is a thousandth of a second difference between one round and the next for it to go wrong.
I could care less about the spirit of the law and the bumpfire stocks, what bothers me is that the rifles weren't designed for it, that the majority of the idiots who enjoy bump firing don't know that, and that they're going to get ranges screwed up/closed down or injure someone else due to their idiocy with trying to be "cool" by being cheap.
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Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Bump firing is good for what?
If your wanting to learn how to use an when to employ full auto, there are many folks who will teach you both correctly,...for a price.
In reality F/A in the average boots hands is but good for two things, springing a ambush, and breaking contact. Other than that it's a waste of ammo, unless it's belt fed. Even then you have to have a gunner that knows something about fire suppression. Spray an pray is a waste of resources,... well except for learning to become a magnet.
Bump firing is good for what?
If your wanting to learn how to use an when to employ full auto, there are many folks who will teach you both correctly,...for a price.
In reality F/A in the average boots hands is but good for two things, springing a ambush, and breaking contact. Other than that it's a waste of ammo, unless it's belt fed. Even then you have to have a gunner that knows something about fire suppression. Spray an pray is a waste of resources,... well except for learning to become a magnet.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I was in the military full auto was taught .Trigger control and common sense safety was still the rule.</div></div>
And your Papa Sierra was there to put a boot up your a$$ if you got stupid. Very few NCOs on civilian ranges. Also, the military has a habit of being real cautious about what is on the other side of the berm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I was in the military full auto was taught .Trigger control and common sense safety was still the rule.</div></div>
And your Papa Sierra was there to put a boot up your a$$ if you got stupid. Very few NCOs on civilian ranges. Also, the military has a habit of being real cautious about what is on the other side of the berm.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
wolvenhaven sorry don't buy that from bump firing because I never had a failure.Others I seen never failed like I said I have seen ar's kaboom on single rounds.The hammer is falling the same as rapid fire and what's interesting is I have never heard one ak exploding from bump fire.Despite the fact that you can melt a m16 or 15 in less than two minutes of full auto and that is the reason we don't use that weapon for full auto and slowed it down.Thanks for the info
wolvenhaven sorry don't buy that from bump firing because I never had a failure.Others I seen never failed like I said I have seen ar's kaboom on single rounds.The hammer is falling the same as rapid fire and what's interesting is I have never heard one ak exploding from bump fire.Despite the fact that you can melt a m16 or 15 in less than two minutes of full auto and that is the reason we don't use that weapon for full auto and slowed it down.Thanks for the info
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
I currently live in CA, so unless its range day on a drill weekend or I want to make the drive to Vegas and pony up for some FA time, it ain't happening, thus I know a fair number of guys who will bump fire when out in BLM land.
I have tried it, of the opinion that you should experience most things (minus murder, rape and all that shit) before fully forming an opinion.
My opinion is that bump firing is gay, uncontrollable, inaccurate, and plain old juvenile. Never mind the fact that dealing with an out of battery detonation is a very real possibility, I've seen it happen.
Personally, if I could I'd remove the three round burst option from my issued M4, throw a Geissele SSA trigger in there and call it good.
I've put shit, tens if not hundreds of thousands of rounds down range over the years in full auto, unless its a belt fed and performing a few specific roles, while fun, it pointless and wasteful.
Bump firing is like putting lambo doors on a Nisan.
I currently live in CA, so unless its range day on a drill weekend or I want to make the drive to Vegas and pony up for some FA time, it ain't happening, thus I know a fair number of guys who will bump fire when out in BLM land.
I have tried it, of the opinion that you should experience most things (minus murder, rape and all that shit) before fully forming an opinion.
My opinion is that bump firing is gay, uncontrollable, inaccurate, and plain old juvenile. Never mind the fact that dealing with an out of battery detonation is a very real possibility, I've seen it happen.
Personally, if I could I'd remove the three round burst option from my issued M4, throw a Geissele SSA trigger in there and call it good.
I've put shit, tens if not hundreds of thousands of rounds down range over the years in full auto, unless its a belt fed and performing a few specific roles, while fun, it pointless and wasteful.
Bump firing is like putting lambo doors on a Nisan.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks.
aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
It's ultimately your situation. Use your thoughts, words, and energy with your Range officials as they have the control on your situation. You can telephone or approach them to present your case. Perhaps you could offer or propose a training class to educate on the controlled nature and safety.
It's ultimately your situation. Use your thoughts, words, and energy with your Range officials as they have the control on your situation. You can telephone or approach them to present your case. Perhaps you could offer or propose a training class to educate on the controlled nature and safety.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the <span style="font-weight: bold">democrats</span> shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so <span style="font-weight: bold">gay</span> please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
If you keep running with scissors around here don't be surprised what happens eventually.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the <span style="font-weight: bold">democrats</span> shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so <span style="font-weight: bold">gay</span> please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
If you keep running with scissors around here don't be surprised what happens eventually.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.<span style="font-weight: bold">I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.</span>Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.<span style="font-weight: bold">It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.</span>Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">BTW Beretta, how can you not spell accurately ACCURATELY?</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.<span style="font-weight: bold">I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.</span>Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.<span style="font-weight: bold">It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.</span>Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">BTW Beretta, how can you not spell accurately ACCURATELY?</span>
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.<span style="color: #FF0000">I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.</span>Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
And tell me oh genie of the battle, what practical purpose would that ever serve?
Wouldn't speeding up your aimed fire be more effective instead of pouring lead into the kill zone of one target?
You are wrong. You can't shoot any way you like if you want to stay in that gun club. I bet that is the only club where you can do any kind of shooting where you live. So instead of counting your blessings you want to make everyone there sound like a bunch of anti-gun dicks. The range where I am a member in RURAL NORTH CAROLINA, is strictly an aimed fire range. Ranges have a lot of liability and as such in most instances a bullet leaving the range grounds is a potential door slammer. All it takes is one instance of a stray bullet hitting someone(not killing mind you) mowing the grass or riding down the road and guess what...they WILL shut the fucking gates. But since you are so fucking good you should be allowed to do what you like. Yeah we have some members like that. They tend to be the ones that instigate such rules as we are discussing here. We never had to use chamber flags until some asshole muzzled me and my fellow match director with a damn Garand a couple years ago. When he was told in a not so pleasant manner where his muzzle should be pointed, he assured us it was not loaded. That made me feel better. With a few new members and more instances like this we had to make a rule. As I remember the offending members were from up your way.
It only takes one asshat to shut down a range. Decisions are made to protect the ability of ALL members to continue doing what they love. I am not nor have I ever been opposed to full auto. Hell I think the IIA affords me the right to own an armed Abrams if I have the means. I believe in everyone's right to be armed even if they do act like 12 year old kids. Yopu are not free to do anything you please at a gun range simply because you pay your dues, another common misconception.
To equate those who don't agree with you as gungrabbing dickheads is really telling. Don't move to NC.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.<span style="color: #FF0000">I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.</span>Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
And tell me oh genie of the battle, what practical purpose would that ever serve?
Wouldn't speeding up your aimed fire be more effective instead of pouring lead into the kill zone of one target?
You are wrong. You can't shoot any way you like if you want to stay in that gun club. I bet that is the only club where you can do any kind of shooting where you live. So instead of counting your blessings you want to make everyone there sound like a bunch of anti-gun dicks. The range where I am a member in RURAL NORTH CAROLINA, is strictly an aimed fire range. Ranges have a lot of liability and as such in most instances a bullet leaving the range grounds is a potential door slammer. All it takes is one instance of a stray bullet hitting someone(not killing mind you) mowing the grass or riding down the road and guess what...they WILL shut the fucking gates. But since you are so fucking good you should be allowed to do what you like. Yeah we have some members like that. They tend to be the ones that instigate such rules as we are discussing here. We never had to use chamber flags until some asshole muzzled me and my fellow match director with a damn Garand a couple years ago. When he was told in a not so pleasant manner where his muzzle should be pointed, he assured us it was not loaded. That made me feel better. With a few new members and more instances like this we had to make a rule. As I remember the offending members were from up your way.
It only takes one asshat to shut down a range. Decisions are made to protect the ability of ALL members to continue doing what they love. I am not nor have I ever been opposed to full auto. Hell I think the IIA affords me the right to own an armed Abrams if I have the means. I believe in everyone's right to be armed even if they do act like 12 year old kids. Yopu are not free to do anything you please at a gun range simply because you pay your dues, another common misconception.
To equate those who don't agree with you as gungrabbing dickheads is really telling. Don't move to NC.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">What could possibly go wrong :</span></span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">What could possibly go wrong :</span></span>
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not nor have I ever been opposed to full auto. Hell I think the IIA affords me the right to own an armed Abrams if I have the means. I believe in everyone's right to be armed even if they do act like 12 year old kids. You are not free to do anything you please at a gun range simply because you pay your dues, another common misconception.</div></div>Pretty much sums it up.
Stop whining, OP. You want to bump fire, have at it. But not on property owned by someone who doesn't allow you to - it's really that simple.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not nor have I ever been opposed to full auto. Hell I think the IIA affords me the right to own an armed Abrams if I have the means. I believe in everyone's right to be armed even if they do act like 12 year old kids. You are not free to do anything you please at a gun range simply because you pay your dues, another common misconception.</div></div>Pretty much sums it up.
Stop whining, OP. You want to bump fire, have at it. But not on property owned by someone who doesn't allow you to - it's really that simple.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate <span style="color: #CC0000">so gay please give me a break</span>.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
Punctuation..... FAIL! If you don't like what the majority has to say, find the door.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate <span style="color: #CC0000">so gay please give me a break</span>.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
Punctuation..... FAIL! If you don't like what the majority has to say, find the door.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
bump firing is for mall ninjas and peter puffers, jus sayin
bump firing is for mall ninjas and peter puffers, jus sayin
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.<span style="color: #FF0000">I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.</span>Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
And tell me oh <span style="font-weight: bold">genie of the battle</span>, what practical purpose would that ever serve?
Wouldn't speeding up your aimed fire be more effective instead of pouring lead into the kill zone of one target? </div></div>
Genie of the battle? LMFAO! That sounds like it should be <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> tag!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aks can not fire out of battery.Due to design of the bolt it is not possible.<span style="color: #FF0000">I can fire my ak from the shoulder very accuratley all rounds in the kill zone at 25 and 50 yards.</span>Its funny I have the money to spend on ammo and very well can use it any way I want.You guys don't like the democrats shoving down more anti gun bills but don't like bump firing.It is accurate so gay please give me a break.,If you don't like a particular way of shooting cause your not good at it or can't afford don't bash others.I like to shoot rapid fire because I can.Owning a fully automatic weapon here is forbidden.Next best thing bump fire aks. </div></div>
And tell me oh <span style="font-weight: bold">genie of the battle</span>, what practical purpose would that ever serve?
Wouldn't speeding up your aimed fire be more effective instead of pouring lead into the kill zone of one target? </div></div>
Genie of the battle? LMFAO! That sounds like it should be <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> tag!
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Genie of the battle. I love that one. I will save it for later.
Bump fire sure if you have a big wall of dirt in front of you why not. It is your cash then spend it how you want. If you do not have a wall of dirt in front of you then you have to follow range directions.
My range has an issue with yellow paint. So I do not paint the white side yellow any more. They were touchy even when I would repaint tem white when done. So I strip the paint off the white side when I am done.
Genie of the battle. I love that one. I will save it for later.
Bump fire sure if you have a big wall of dirt in front of you why not. It is your cash then spend it how you want. If you do not have a wall of dirt in front of you then you have to follow range directions.
My range has an issue with yellow paint. So I do not paint the white side yellow any more. They were touchy even when I would repaint tem white when done. So I strip the paint off the white side when I am done.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.
I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Bump firing I'm sure is a hoot, go out in the woods and do whatever you want with you and your buddies. The last thing I want at the range is some goofball, that I have no idea about his skills and training, pretending he's the A-Team and showing off his mad Call of Duty operator skillz.
There's this thing called liability; I'm sure the range pays enough for their insurance as is so they are trying to limit theirs.
Bump firing I'm sure is a hoot, go out in the woods and do whatever you want with you and your buddies. The last thing I want at the range is some goofball, that I have no idea about his skills and training, pretending he's the A-Team and showing off his mad Call of Duty operator skillz.
There's this thing called liability; I'm sure the range pays enough for their insurance as is so they are trying to limit theirs.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there <span style="color: #FF0000">is</span> a lot of trolls on this site. </div></div>
You're not helping yourself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there <span style="color: #FF0000">is</span> a lot of trolls on this site. </div></div>
You're not helping yourself.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.</div></div>
No more than usual. The ignore function does come in handy though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.</div></div>
No more than usual. The ignore function does come in handy though.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site. </div></div>
ARE a lot of trolls. Subject/verb agreement and all that.
BTW, it's true: bump firing is gay.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site. </div></div>
ARE a lot of trolls. Subject/verb agreement and all that.
BTW, it's true: bump firing is gay.
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I dont guess I will ever understand why people get on the internet, ask for people's opinion on a subject and then get all pissy when they give their opinions and they dont align with their own. WTF?
Almost forgot...bump firing is gay.
I dont guess I will ever understand why people get on the internet, ask for people's opinion on a subject and then get all pissy when they give their opinions and they dont align with their own. WTF?
Almost forgot...bump firing is gay.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Genie of the battle? LMFAO! That sounds like it should be <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> tag! </div></div>
Veer you may have it with my blessing to be used as you please under these conditions:
You must submit a video here on the Hide in whatever forum you deem most appropriate. The video must contain quality footage of you wearing the teal turban, bump firing the weapon of your choice, shouting ALAKAZAAM! at each trigger pull.
No really its yours...but I would pay to see that video.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Genie of the battle? LMFAO! That sounds like it should be <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> tag! </div></div>
Veer you may have it with my blessing to be used as you please under these conditions:
You must submit a video here on the Hide in whatever forum you deem most appropriate. The video must contain quality footage of you wearing the teal turban, bump firing the weapon of your choice, shouting ALAKAZAAM! at each trigger pull.
No really its yours...but I would pay to see that video.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Genie of the battle? LMFAO! That sounds like it should be <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> tag! </div></div>
Veer you may have it with my blessing to be used as you please under these conditions:
You must submit a video here on the Hide in whatever forum you deem most appropriate. The video must contain quality footage of you wearing the teal turban, bump firing the weapon of your choice, shouting ALAKAZAAM! at each trigger pull.
No really its yours...but I would pay to see that video. </div></div>
It'd have to be an AK of some sort. I do that with an AR, I just wind up looking like I stole the sumbitch.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Genie of the battle? LMFAO! That sounds like it should be <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> tag! </div></div>
Veer you may have it with my blessing to be used as you please under these conditions:
You must submit a video here on the Hide in whatever forum you deem most appropriate. The video must contain quality footage of you wearing the teal turban, bump firing the weapon of your choice, shouting ALAKAZAAM! at each trigger pull.
No really its yours...but I would pay to see that video. </div></div>
It'd have to be an AK of some sort. I do that with an AR, I just wind up looking like I stole the sumbitch.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
+1 for who said bump firers smoke the meat whistle
+1 for who said bump firers smoke the meat whistle
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.</div></div>
No more than usual. The ignore function does come in handy though. </div></div>
....and Maser should know, half the people in here ignore anything he says!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.</div></div>
No more than usual. The ignore function does come in handy though.
....and Maser should know, half the people in here ignore anything he says!
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Alaskaman, I'm sure it is MUCH more than half....
Alaskaman, I'm sure it is MUCH more than half....
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site. </div></div>
ARE a lot of trolls. Subject/verb agreement and all that.
BTW, it's true: bump firing is gay.</div></div>
Can you blame him for that mistake? Sure we can but this site does not have grammar check or spell check. I will refrain from bashing teachers they do enough so I do not have to. I wonder if that is they do not do enough thus proving my point? At any rate like most of the posts on this thread just counts as one more on my post count.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site. </div></div>
ARE a lot of trolls. Subject/verb agreement and all that.
BTW, it's true: bump firing is gay.</div></div>
Can you blame him for that mistake? Sure we can but this site does not have grammar check or spell check. I will refrain from bashing teachers they do enough so I do not have to. I wonder if that is they do not do enough thus proving my point? At any rate like most of the posts on this thread just counts as one more on my post count.
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Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.</div></div>
No more than usual. The ignore function does come in handy though. </div></div>
....and Maser should know, half the people in here ignore anything he says! </div></div>
When did IT post in here? I hadn't noticed, funny I missed that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Maser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beretta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see there is a lot of trolls on this site.</div></div>
No more than usual. The ignore function does come in handy though.
....and Maser should know, half the people in here ignore anything he says! </div></div>
When did IT post in here? I hadn't noticed, funny I missed that.
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Same here
Same here
Re: My range banned bump fire because it's dangerous
Spray and pray baby, I bet you can put down a solid 67 MOA group with bumpfire hacks. The range I shoot at has concrete baffles above the range. There are so many patched holes from where people have shot them it is ridiculous. I talked to the range master about it once and he told me it is almost always some jackass with an ak blasting from the hip who has no business handling a weapon.
Spray and pray baby, I bet you can put down a solid 67 MOA group with bumpfire hacks. The range I shoot at has concrete baffles above the range. There are so many patched holes from where people have shot them it is ridiculous. I talked to the range master about it once and he told me it is almost always some jackass with an ak blasting from the hip who has no business handling a weapon.
