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I have 6 suppressors for my guns. I have multiple AR's but I run an AAC m4-2000 on a .223 rem 700 5R. And AAC7.62SD-N for my 308 rem 5R. They work excellent but it seems everyone on the hide uses screw ons and they live in a whole different world on cans. I read of these cans and it's all foreign to me. I know this has been beaten up, but if you don't mind, can you rank your top three cans and their price point. I have a 300 WM 5R that I would like to hush up a bit.

My view was Surefire- AAC-.....Gemtech and so on.

Anything you would like to teach me about this other side, I'm all ears. Much thanks for your effort.
 
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Glance thru the forum here and you will be able to find out everything you just asked about. The enhanced search function also turns up plenty of good threads on most popular thread on cans AND 300WM suppressor options.
 
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For a single point can in terms of accuracy these two are the best...
ThunderBeast
AWC THOR Ti

For Muzzle Braked / Quick Attach
ThunderBeast BA
AAC Mk13
SUREFIRE

honorable mention single point is a Gemtech Sandstorm but mine took 500 rounds through it before it started working right.

The difference between an M4 / AR type suppressor and a Precision Rifle suppressor is Accuracy... Most cans sound so similar all you really get is a tonal difference. The DB is usually close enough not to matter much because of the use of full power loads. The difference is in the accuracy of the can. Guys with M4s rarely shoot for precision, and usually shoot 90% of their shots inside 100 yards, they wouldn't true accuracy if it bit em, as they are usually shooting and moving. I mean I have several M4 type suppressor and rarely care what the shots look like downrange, I go for smallest and lightest available, because a 1500 round 3 day class is taxing when you have to hold up the rifle that much with a Gemtech Halo off the end. I would rather a Ti or SF Mini over a steel can.

I have seen 1/4 Minute rifles turned into 3/4 or 1 MOA rifles because the Suppressor, while okay, really plays with the rifle's inherent accuracy. If the gun shoots 1/4 MOA without the suppressor it better shoot 1/4" with the suppressor. And that includes all the rounds, because a lot of them have a first round deviation that is similar to a cold bore shift, but will deviate even if the rifle is not cold, basically heat and cold have nothing to do with it, the cans gasses are impacting the bullet flight. If you can't stack them, I don't want it.

Everyone who goes through the process of getting a can, deciding on make & model, submitting the paperwork and waiting the time, once they get it feel it is a good can and worthy of consideration. My experience differs greatly from this and educating people on it is hard because they feel the wrong decision is a personal attack on their manhood. I own more than 20 Suppressors, I have shot many more on a regular basis and can easily point out the difference between a good precision rifle suppressor and a bad precision rifle suppressor. Stacking the rounds in a 1 MOA hole, while looks good, is in my opinion bad... especially when the gun was 3X better than that before the can was added.

Forget what it sounds like, they all sound the same, I can careless what you hear, the sound meters have them so close it's a wash in my opinion. If you're shooting a dedicated subsonic rifle, okay, you might want to spend some time trying for the quietest on the market, but the stretch for sound suppression usually gives up accuracy, and I am not willing to trade off accuracy for 1 or 2 db gain in suppression.

Single point cans are generally the most consistent and accurate, providing all the threading is done right, and trust me not all threading is created equal. However done right it's hard to beat a good, consistent and accurate single point can.
 
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Frank I'm curious if you have plans to shoot/own the SAS Arbiter? From the reviews I have seen on here, they have been right up there with TBAC's BA as far as POI shift/accuracy which seems to be the most important for a precision can. I have no experience shooting either, just going off the info from other members. Their price point is pretty good too.
 
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I have a SAS Aribter. It performs right in line with my 30P-1 and 30BA. It will be hard to beat the TBAC cans as far as no shift when shooting that first round or last round. I have noticed like Frank said, the Gemtech Sandstorm can takes rounds on it to stop the first round deviation. Mine did it for about the first 400 rounds then as I approached 500 it stopped all around.

Surefire is another excellent example of no POI shift, at all. While quite a bit more in price, the end result is superior to most QD mounted cans.
 
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Frank, have you gotten to shoot the SRT Shadow XL Ti?

I'm currious how that stacks up with the other "accuracy oriented" suppressors.

We've shot it a lot, but have never done any extensive comparative testing.
 
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I have seen very few SRT suppressors and not the Ti model.

Elite Irons are pretty heavy, my typical .30 cal can hovers around 15 oz or less, the Elite Iron is closer to 30 oz, which is far too heavy for me to try. My Tac Ops can is like 24 oz and that is as heavy as I would want. It is made for a dedicated rifle and won't fit on any other rifle I own, and it has a pretty sizable shift despite the excellent accuracy. At 30oz you are looking at a lot of weight be hanging off the end of a rifle.
 
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When you guys talk "no POI shift" what distances do you speak of. I have a 675 yard makeshift range here and have tried SEVERAL suppressors on my GAP Crusader. All have had atleast a 6 inch downward shipt at this distance. The TBAC 30-p1 and AAC cyclone seemed to have the smallest shift. I have not tried the Surefire at this distance yet.
 
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Most have some POI shift, after all you are hanging a weight off the end of the barrel.

The average with a Ti can at 100 yards is about 1/2", even my early Jet Ti only shifted 3/4" at 6 O Clock.

The issue is not POI shift, the issue is accuracy for all the rounds. Not having the first round shift that differs from the group.

I have never spoken about "no POI" shift, minimal is best, but really all the shots being in the same place is optimal.

Consistency is more important, no shift is a fallacy...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a single point can in terms of accuracy these two are the best...
ThunderBeast
AWC THOR Ti

For Muzzle Braked / Quick Attach
ThunderBeast BA
AAC Mk13
SUREFIRE
...</div></div>AWC started making a brake attached PSR model for .308 and .338;
http://www.awcsystech.com/thorpsr.html
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have shot a bunch of SAS cans... </div></div>

Please elaborate on your experience, I think many would find it valuable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyeDaddy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have shot a bunch of SAS cans... </div></div>

Please elaborate on your experience, I think many would find it valuable.</div></div>

I would very much like to know the same. The Thunderbeast and the SAS Ti Arbiter are both entirely constructed of titanium and the weight of the SAS (12.9oz) is even less than the TBAC (15.9oz).
 
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Sounds like Kino needs to step in here. I think he has alot of experiance with sas cans
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The weight debate is valid, but then again you have to consider the barrel you are going to hang this can off of. If you have an extremely heavy barrel a slightly heavier can is not a big deal for that particular rifle. Im talking a MTU plus contour or the 408 contours. Hell, the McMillan Tac50 has the option of a AAC Cyclops brake and that can is 5 pounds!

I have several YHM Phantom cans and they are a great gateway suppressor. They are not expensive and offer a QD mount and low price tag. They are heavy at 24oz but their new Ti offering is a badass little can! I run one on my GAP 243 and its a huge change from the Steel version. Almost half the weight and equal sound suppression.
 
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I have a Gemtech quicksand that I am going to put on my FN SPR. One of my gunshots had AAC mk13 in stock about a month ago. Kicking myself in the ass for letting that slip through.
 
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I've seen on here where some folks are running their SDN6 on the 300wm. Barrel length is +22"
Holler at Mers and get his confirmation..
I'm currently waiting on me 762K for my 308 and 300WM.
Rem 5R 24 Threaded barrel..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcsparky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've seen on here where some folks are running their SDN6 on the 300wm. Barrel length is +22"
Holler at Mers and get his confirmation..
I'm currently waiting on me 762K for my 308 and 300WM.
Rem 5R 24 Threaded barrel..
</div></div>

It was my understanding you could get away with a few shots but they were not rated for it. I would like to know because my 5R already has the brake. Just waiting for the mk13.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have had mixed results... </div></div>

Mixed as in what?????</div></div>

Nice try, I would think without the grimy details "mixed" is pretty clear...

I am not looking to pull anyone's dance card, and I really don't think you want to pull mine, but if you insist, one could arrange a dance.
 
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Threaten You ?

Why are you asking me to run a company down, mixed results are pretty easy to understand, in normal people speak that is some good, some bad... however I felt no need to get into the details.

Now, I take it from the post above, the "call Kino", not to mention your location you are something of a Fan Boy for SAS, which is good for you. So I am sure you want to get to the nitty gritty, well call them and ask what my "mixed results" means, beyond, "some good, some bad".

Maybe you need to get a clue and understand when I am not giving details it is my way of doing someone a favor...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Threaten You ?

Why are you asking me to run a company down, mixed results are pretty easy to understand, in normal people speak that is some good, some bad... however I felt no need to get into the details.

Now, I take it from the post about, the "call Kino", not to mention your location you are something of a Fan Boy for SAS, which is good for you. So I am sure you want to get to the nitty gritty, well call them and ask what my "mixed results" means, beyond, "some good, some bad".

Maybe you need to get a clue and understand when I am not giving details it is my way of doing someone a favor... </div></div>

So whom are you doing a favor for?? Its certainly not SAS or major site sponsers that sell SAS products by insinuating with your "mixed" results, as in a negative towards them. If it was meant to be a "favor" you would not have said anything! In fact, its more of a slam on SAS by what you are insinuate and a favor to your buddys at thunderbeast. I am sorry that you had a bad experiance with SAS but I can assure anyone that IF there truly was a problem on SAS' end it WAS fixed.

One more thing to add is that I am a lttle more than a fan.....</div></div>


yeah, I want the hide to be like a fucking gun rag... never a negative review... every product is awesome... then an ad on the next page....

fuck all that
 
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Where's the african deer/antelope eatin popcorn pic when ya need it?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's the african deer/antelope eatin popcorn pic when ya need it?</div></div>

Did VJJPunisher take the night off?
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So Kino, if you are more than a Fan you know about the problems I have had, I made my issues with them perfectly clear. I know the word got back too.

This thread was not here to run anyone down, someone asked me and I gave my answer, "mixed is what it is", and frankly the problems have not been fixed.

I can do more than insinuate, i can back up with my experience and it's across just about every type of can he makes.

This has nothing to do with Thunderbeast, they make an excellent can, as does others, which I have listed, SAS could take a lesson there... If you want to pm me I can give you a run down of my problems and then you can tell me if you want to me to air them, again, I have names, dates, rifles, in some cases serial numbers... so this is no idle talk here, but something I can back up.

Call me on it, It was not my intention to run them down, and my post was clearly so neutral it was not going to effect anyone, until you showed up that is...

your move hot shot, torpedoes loaded, just let me know and I am all too happy to let them loose.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have had mixed results... </div></div>Mixed as in what????? </div></div>Mixed as in I like the SAS product, and have seen excellent examples of it like the one that is on Stan's 300WM, but I have a SAS can going back because the rifle simply won't group with the can on it. I'm sure he'll make it right once he getts settled, though. Thanks for asking.
 
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People should read what I wrote in my first post here, specifically this line,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who goes through the process of getting a can, deciding on make & model, submitting the paperwork and waiting the time, once they get it feel it is a good can and worthy of consideration. My experience differs greatly from this <span style="font-weight: bold">and educating people on it is hard because they feel the wrong decision is a personal attack on their manhood.</span> I own more than 20 Suppressors, I have shot many more on a regular basis and can easily point out the difference between a good precision rifle suppressor and a bad precision rifle suppressor. Stacking the rounds in a 1 MOA hole, while looks good, is in my opinion bad... especially when the gun was 3X better than that before the can was added. </div></div>

Graham you are not alone in that, and I spoke specifically about this type of thing in my first post.

Too bad people want the bullshit and think you're some how bought and paid for because 1 suppressor company advertises on here. Forget the fact I listed several, but they want to go back to that one, why, because they know it is better so they think they can squawk loud and people will dismiss it as not being better. Facts on the ground though prove the opposite. However since they made their decision and it doesn't line up with the facts, they now feel their manhood is being insulted...
 
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I have Thunder Beast 30BA and 338BA suppressors. Both have a POI shift of approximately 2 inches down and a 1/2 inch shift right at 100 yards on my DTA SRS rifle in .260. Neither suppressor has a negative impact on accuracy. My rifle still shoots sub half MOA with either can attached.

Both suppressors have very good suppression and have a great tone. If I had it to do again. I would be tempted to just go with the 338BA and have only one suppressor as the extra weight and length do not bother me. The 338BA is also slightly quieter to my ear on the .260.

Both suppressors sound better to me than the various other big name .308 suppressors that I have shot.
 
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As the OP and one with no dog in the fight. Lowlight was drug into this fight. He was asked specifically. And seemed to to try and not speak of the issues. Most people that drop in and don't know the politics, like me, would have thought nothing of LowLights post. Mixed results.

I was just pleased to see the AAC can on the list that I planned to buy. Still plan to buy it. I heard those SAS cans were all fucked up- no just kidding. Never heard of any of those cans good or bad.

This thread went seriously south. Back on point, anyone else shot their 7.62 SDN with 300WM? Or is it ill advised.
 
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I have an Elite Iron bravo supressor that shoots very well on my 308 and 300win mag. These are very well built and will last a life time. The warrenty is great.
 
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Best thing about this thread is the shift from all things dB to all things accuracy.

I'll say it straight out, and I have said it before, for far too long the complete absence of accuracy data on the very web sites that were held up as somehow important to the suppressor community did nothing to accurately report on suppression or in any meaningful way move the design of suppression forward. Nor did those very same websites understand the important of duration, frequency, POA, POI, CBS, etc. etc. In the absence of suppressor accuracy, those same cans only remaining role is to insure that no one is aware of the poor shot you just took.

About a year ago a good number of us celebrated the idea that Frank was publishing verifiable suppressor results based on a very different set of priorities, principles and result presentations.

In a short, but not wholly inclusive list, that included some real breakthroughs.

1. dB levels for top tier cans were expected to be excellent and were found to be so close in comparison that the point was mute (no pun intended.) Suppression was expected to be top tier and every effort was made to move beyond dB.

2. Accuracy would be held as paramount. Unmounted POI and mounted POI would be demonstrated and presented. Where possible Cold bore presentation was represented. Group minimums were appropriate and, when possible, multiple cans were mounted on a single test host.

3. All cans would be current, available production products and completely commercially available. "Black Box" and "gilt" cans were to be avoided.

4. Sponsorship, while always apprciated was not mandatory.

4. dB mattered at terminal POI as much as behind the bolt.

5. Frank, thorough thread based discussions were allowed, encouraged and responded to.

Very much welcomed, appreciated and useful.
 
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Maybe KY and myself have to meet up in KC, it would be easier here in Denver, because of the equipment I have access too, plus the location, but maybe we need to flush out a full suppressor shoot.

For the record I wasn't telling "kino" to not say anything, I was telling him if forced me to give details he would not like what I said. Clearly he took offense to my "mixed results" post and couldn't let it go. Had he continued to force me to give the details he really wouldn't have liked it. He made a nothing situation worse, and not for him but for the company he was defending.

I paid for my TBAC, I paid Full Boat for my AWC, in fact the two suppressor I have cost just shy of $3k, the most I have ever paid for a set of suppressor. I paid retail for my Surefire from Surgeon Arms several years ago, I bought my AAC Mk 13 from the local shop... Have I gotten deals, sure, some better than others, AAC is very accommodating and have not turned down any requests from me, and SF has been equally accommodating in recent years. As far as ThunderBeast, while it is true, I am friends with Ray and Zak, if the cans didn't work I would certainly not be telling people they are one of my favorites. These guys are shooters and put accuracy above all else in their designs, they get it.

No, Kino felt his manhood threatened and decided I was bought and sold so he pushed me, any further and I would have given out dates, times, rifles, and models along with a detailed listing of my problems, but again, I did not feel this thread was about that so being "diplomatic" was my chosen course of action from the beginning. He failed to see that and wanted more. I think he thought I was telling him to be quiet for "his" own good, which was not the case, I was more than too happy to let him say whatever he wanted and then he could have seen what the results were on Monday morning.

But Adam, I think we need to set up that suppressor shoot here.. Denver is easier, but if I have too KC it is .
 
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PM sent Frank.

And please do set up an all out silencer bash, since a lot of people have been very happy with some smaller companies out there that didn't make your first review (which was excellent.)
 
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A detailed suppressor shoot would be a great benefit to those of us that read the posts, and make choices based on word of mouth or other 'unscientific' data.

Its not the money as much as the wait time that makes this aspect of shooting painful - which is why no one likes to figure out that there was a better suppressor for their intended use. For someone with gun ADD an eight month wait to get it right is pure torture ...

I look forward to the great SnipersHide suppressor bash ...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: .300 AT&T</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A detailed suppressor shoot would be a great benefit to those of us that read the posts, and make choices based on word of mouth or other 'unscientific' data.

Its not the money as much as the wait time that makes this aspect of shooting painful - which is why no one likes to figure out that there was a better suppressor for their intended use. For someone with gun ADD an eight month wait to get it right is pure torture ...

I look forward to the great SnipersHide suppressor bash ... </div></div>
+1 to that.
Still waiting on my first can approval and would love to see some real world tests before a step up for one on the 300Blk I am putting together. I have gotten solid info from the Hide every time I have asked around here and the info is greatly appreciated. Maybe you could even do some video of the tests as well
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Looking for a teaching moment here - what causes inconsistency with respect to accuracy? Is it that gas flows inconsistently through the baffles? Or is it temp related?

Since the can is dissipating both gas and heat, are inconsistencies produced when the baffle stack design reaches a threshold temp wherein it is no longer effective in its capacity to dissipate both?


Good luck
 
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Mo,

That is a big question and the answer takes some time. There are a number of primary variables, some secondary variables and a great number of either of those can "stack" making accuracy through/with a can range from an improvement to real deterioration. Interestingly the host itself can play an important role, as can ammunition. Accuracy is not the goal of some can designs, and purposefully so. Some cans are designed to provide maximum throughput, some with an intended range of less than 10 meters. At 1,300 rounds a minute, suppression, not accuracy is the goal as rate of fire takes care of accuracy.

You mentioned some important considerations. Heat and symmetric design. It is not unusual for others here to remind us that suppressors are essentially heat machines and managing that process can be important to some applications. We hear of this with discussions of "hot spots," "capture cans," "secondary core cans," etc. There is a very real correlation between managing the resulting gases and heat that comes from effectively stripping the chase gas jet from behind the projectile and sound suppression and accuracy. The real implications of asymmetrical armature stacks, monocores or even fashioned baffles exists, though we are to be reminded that "timing" asymmetrical designs has radically improved their outcomes.

What I can tell you is the two cans listed by Frank in the precision thread-ons share some important foundation similarities. Similarities that are not shared by a majority of other current providers. Having said that, not everyone needs nor should afford the effort that is entailed in those designs. Precision cans are no different than precision rifles. The concept behind much of precision suppression is to eliminate the variables that when taken individually are small, but taken collectively represent the majority of accuracy issues on any precision platform. Suppressors, with components of different materials, must be designed, machined, mated, attached with a single goal in mind. The chances for inaccuracy, instability and deterioration are the same as those experienced by gunsmiths. Remove as many of these same variables as possible, rule them out by experienced design, material selection and skillful manufacturing and what remains is a coherently, ultimately precise core that aligns to the barrel perfectly. And only then if the barrel is properly prepared.

There is a whole lot more. Purge of propellant debris, purge of water or other environmental issues, quick detach, the requirement to be able to be upgraded, change out Neilsons, go static, etc.

Perhaps a thread all by itself on this topic is in order? I can promise you it would be well received by some, but not everybody.

Happy 4th.
 
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RT - thank you and by all means, more education means a more informed consumer.


Good luck
 
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Has anyone tested a Delta P Design can? Particularly the Brevis 338?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have Thunder Beast 30BA and 338BA suppressors. Both have a POI shift of approximately 2 inches down and a 1/2 inch shift right at 100 yards on my DTA SRS rifle in .260. Neither suppressor has a negative impact on accuracy. My rifle still shoots sub half MOA with either can attached.

Both suppressors have very good suppression and have a great tone. If I had it to do again. I would be tempted to just go with the 338BA and have only one suppressor as the extra weight and length do not bother me. The 338BA is also slightly quieter to my ear on the .260.

Both suppressors sound better to me than the various other big name .308 suppressors that I have shot. </div></div>

This almost exactly matches my .308 shift on my DTA, with the model 30P TBAC can.

The only thing I don't like about my TBAC can is now my other cans don't measure up. Next .223 can I'll buy will be TBAC.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SRSDriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The only thing I don't like about my TBAC can is now my other cans don't measure up. Next .223 can I'll buy will be TBAC. </div></div>

I am in the same boat. I plan on purchasing a TBAC .223 and one of their .22 suppressors.
 
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The TBAC .22 suppressor ROCKS! This is one that I can empirically recommend.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe KY and myself have to meet up in KC, it would be easier here in Denver, because of the equipment I have access too, plus the location, but maybe we need to flush out a full suppressor shoot.

For the record I wasn't telling "kino" to not say anything, I was telling him if forced me to give details he would not like what I said. Clearly he took offense to my "mixed results" post and couldn't let it go. Had he continued to force me to give the details he really wouldn't have liked it. He made a nothing situation worse, and not for him but for the company he was defending.

I paid for my TBAC, I paid Full Boat for my AWC, in fact the two suppressor I have cost just shy of $3k, the most I have ever paid for a set of suppressor. I paid retail for my Surefire from Surgeon Arms several years ago, I bought my AAC Mk 13 from the local shop... Have I gotten deals, sure, some better than others, AAC is very accommodating and have not turned down any requests from me, and SF has been equally accommodating in recent years. As far as ThunderBeast, while it is true, I am friends with Ray and Zak, if the cans didn't work I would certainly not be telling people they are one of my favorites. These guys are shooters and put accuracy above all else in their designs, they get it.

No, Kino felt his manhood threatened and decided I was bought and sold so he pushed me, any further and I would have given out dates, times, rifles, and models along with a detailed listing of my problems, but again, I did not feel this thread was about that so being "diplomatic" was my chosen course of action from the beginning. He failed to see that and wanted more. I think he thought I was telling him to be quiet for "his" own good, which was not the case, I was more than too happy to let him say whatever he wanted and then he could have seen what the results were on Monday morning.

But Adam, I think we need to set up that suppressor shoot here.. Denver is easier, but if I have too KC it is . </div></div>

I'm game. When do you want to do it? Lets discuss what I need to bring and figure out some dates. I drove to Aspen several times..... no big deal for me!
 
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I have nothing to add really other than the thought of a TBAC 338P-1 on my 338Edge makes me giddy as a school boy.

Lowlight:

If the suppressor shootoff happens can you take lots of video off all the cans being shot.
 
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I am coming in late to the conversation but I have to say I love my SAS Ti Arbiter

I have very little experience with suppressor but am I pleased with how my suppressor has shot the past couple months. Mile High Shooting was very informative and helpful when I was looking to buy.
 
Lowlight said:
The shoot never happened other things came up

maybe in the future
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That's a bummer. I am in the market for a suppressor and was having the same quandary as the OP. I was hoping for a TBAC that had a break adapter that was up to their standards. (last time I talked to Zak he said that I should get the thread on suppressor unless they revise the design for a break that works better... Mind you this was a while ago and things may have changed.) A no bullshit, no politics suppressor test would be great. All anyone ever talks about is point of impact shift and noise reduction. I know I can't hear a 2 db difference, so that leaves arbitrary measurements like "minimal point of impact shift". It doesn't have to live up to your usual movie grade productions. Data with targets, interpretation and can used would be great since cans on rifles are getting so common it would be good to have balanced and fair assessments. AMU style. 5x ten round groups at 300 yards from a machine rest. I am sure we can call Black hills or southwest and see if they would sponsor the shoot for ammo costs.
 
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