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Your .30cal of choice?

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After shooting 6.5s and 308s for a few years I'm ready to start my first long action. The catch is my 7.62 caliber suppressor and choosing from all the magnum options. Is 300wm still the standard? Just looking to shoot something heavier and longer. FWIW I don't mind loading wildcats but let's be reasonable with barrel life; 1,500 isn't gonna cut it.

It'll see 1k at Rayners and I wanna take a crack at the TVP mile so I'm not just trying to compensate
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Re: Your .30cal of choice?

300WM.

210 JLK VLD LBT's (.680 BC) at 2950fps with 72.6 RE22.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

300wm
190gr Berger VLD's, 79.7 Re-25
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300WM.

210 JLK VLD LBT's (.680 BC) at 2950fps with 72.6 RE22. </div></div>

That's smokin. What length barrel? I'd like to keep it at 20 or 22" if I can. The shorter the better.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

29" Bbl. There's no use building a 300 in a 20-22" length.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney88PDC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't rule out the 7mm's. </div></div>

Can a 7mm be shot safely out of a yhm 762qd for example?
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

300WSM, I just put up some info in the 300WM-300WSM reloading thread that might interest you.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

What about the 30-375 Ruger
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Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocky Mountain</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the 30-375 Ruger
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How long is the barrel life lol
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

300 WM with the 190+ weight bullets, gonna need at least 27 inches.
hope this helps.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 WM with the 190+ weight bullets, gonna need at least 27 inches.
hope this helps. </div></div>

I don't understand why people keep saying you need such a long barrel for the 300wm, my 300wsm it's able to spit out the 208gr. A-MAX at a hair above 2960 fps, 200gr. LRX at about 3030fps without pressure signs out of a 24" barrel, surely the 300wm can do the same?
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 WM with the 190+ weight bullets, gonna need at least 27 inches.
hope this helps. </div></div>


My 26" throws 190 vld's north of 3150 at 400 asl w/Re-25, is that to slow? Strange thing is My .299 barreled 23" is with in 75fps of the 26" using Re-22.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m14er</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 Norma magnum.

300 NM

You will need to step up to a Magnum-rated can </div></div>

The 7.62 is magnum rated up to 300RUM which is why I'm here. I wanna get into the best performing cartridge I can while still being able to go suppressed if I choose to. I'll buy a magnum can if I ever build a Lapua or something but that's a ways down the line. For now I'm concentrated on 30 and 7mm. If Litz isn't giving up on the 30s then neither am I!
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

I am considering the 300 NM myself and Zak Smith (Thunderbeast) recommended
the 338 can for this cartridge. He knows a little more about suppressors than both you or I.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

My choice is 30 caliber for what you want is probably a 7mm RSAUM, with the Berger Hybrids you will get great downrange performance at the ranges you want with less recoil.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wwbrown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My choice is 30 caliber for what you want is probably a 7mm RSAUM, with the Berger Hybrids you will get great downrange performance at the ranges you want with less recoil. </div></div>

WINNER WINNER +1

If the can is magnum rated then yes any of the 30cal or 7mm Magnums should work. (I might exclude the RUM's from that)
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1st choice 30-375 225's @2850+ FPS
300 Norma if barrel is not an issue.

reamers and dies in stock. </div></div>

Some good advise and a very accurate round
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

How about a 7WSM or 7Remmag? With 195gr, .75 BC Bergers on the hybrid, a high capacity 7mm seems like a no-brainer.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m14er</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am considering the 300 NM myself and Zak Smith (Thunderbeast) recommended
the 338 can for this cartridge. He knows a little more about suppressors than both you or I. </div></div>

Then that suggestion doesn't do much good does it?

Id certainly welcome a 7mm, I almost prefer it but like I said I wasn't sure how well a 30 caliber suppressor would handle it so I left it out initially. Let's explore 7mm for a moment then
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m14er</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am considering the 300 NM myself and Zak Smith (Thunderbeast) recommended
the 338 can for this cartridge. He knows a little more about suppressors than both you or I. </div></div>

Then that suggestion doesn't do much good does it?

Id certainly welcome a 7mm, I almost prefer it but like I said I wasn't sure how well a 30 caliber suppressor would handle it so I left it out initially. Let's explore 7mm for a moment then</div></div>

I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness...

How about a 284 Win in a LA using your 30 cal can. I am still waiting to get mine out of form 4 purgatory.

SAC 284

162 Amaxes to 1500 and Berger 180's to a mile.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PappaSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300WM 208Amax</div></div>

There you go. I got a 25" on mine and getting 2930fps with H1000.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

I think that for competitive shooting these days I prefer the .30 caliber for short range paper punching in a case of very limited capacity, I.e., I use the .30BR for FV250. I like the larger .30 caliber bore because larger holes cut more lines on the target.

The .30 caliber is also a choice, not my only choice, for Highpower/Service Rifle shooting. I.e., this Neanderthal is never going to give up shooting his Garand.

The .30'06 and .280 are also my choices for deer in open areas.

Beyond that, I prefer the .260 and .280 for paper punching at distance. The skinnier bullets in those calibers can do it well enough without the additional energy expenditures the .30's would need.

If I <span style="font-style: italic">had</span> to use a .30, my upper limit is the .30-'06. Anything larger is just too fatiguing for the kind of repetitive shooting practice competitive shooting requires.

I don't like recoil because I actually have a physical limit on how much recoil I can actually tolerate. But even without that, recoil has no practical benefit in the precision shooting process. If you can get it done without it, I don't see any downside.

I think that once you get the projectile up to a 6.5mm or 7mm diameter, BC's become high enough to be as practical as larger diameters. Mass is only useful if signifacantly larger terminal energy is required. Otherwise, it's not an asset.

Greg
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocky Mountain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1st choice 30-375 225's @2850+ FPS
300 Norma if barrel is not an issue.

reamers and dies in stock. </div></div>

Some good advise and a very accurate round </div></div>

Phenomenal cartridge to say the least!
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocky Mountain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1st choice 30-375 225's @2850+ FPS
300 Norma if barrel is not an issue.

reamers and dies in stock. </div></div>

Some good advise and a very accurate round </div></div>

Phenomenal cartridge to say the least! </div></div>

Looking forward to getting my one back again after barrel fluting.

Will be doing more load development & pressure testing with the 208s & both 230s.

Seems to be going extremely well so far with the 230 OTM
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I'm looking forward to building one or two on a "proper platform"
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Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 WM with the 190+ weight bullets, gonna need at least 27 inches.
hope this helps. </div></div>

I don't understand why people keep saying you need such a long barrel for the 300wm, my 300wsm it's able to spit out the 208gr. A-MAX at a hair above 2960 fps, 200gr. LRX at about 3030fps without pressure signs out of a 24" barrel, surely the 300wm can do the same? </div></div>
This^^ Perhaps some of you long barrel guys should look into the video Magpul: The Art of the Precision Rifle. The main instructor runs nothing but 20" barrels on everything and still shoots out 1500 yds +.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyHarry2029</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 WM with the 190+ weight bullets, gonna need at least 27 inches.
hope this helps. </div></div>

I don't understand why people keep saying you need such a long barrel for the 300wm, my 300wsm it's able to spit out the 208gr. A-MAX at a hair above 2960 fps, 200gr. LRX at about 3030fps without pressure signs out of a 24" barrel, surely the 300wm can do the same? </div></div>
This^^ Perhaps some of you long barrel guys should look into the video Magpul: The Art of the Precision Rifle. The main instructor runs nothing but 20" barrels on everything and still shoots out 1500 yds +. </div></div>

I wasn't sure what to make of that because there seemed to be a good bit of product placement in that particular volume, namely Horus and LaRue. On the flipside, though, I also wonder if our desire to go longer and longer with less is unnecessary over-complication; esp when you think about the original M40s and what the guys were able to do with a simple sporter barreled, off-the-shelf hunting rifle
 
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How much tougher on barrels are 7mms than the 30 magnums?(assuming comparable weights and velocities)
 
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Well, comparing the 300WSM to the 7WSM, the best estimates I've seen for the 300WSM is 2000-2500 rounds for the barrel life if you're pushing it hard. For the 7WSM, I've seen numbers all over the place, but I believe the barrel life if pushing it as hard as the 300WSM is 800-1500 rounds. Of course, lighter loads will make it last longer, I've seen guys win comps with a 7WSM with 2500 rounds through it, and I believe the 1000yrd record is held by a 300WSM with 4500 rounds through it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, comparing the 300WSM to the 7WSM, the best estimates I've seen for the 300WSM is 2000-2500 rounds for the barrel life if you're pushing it hard. For the 7WSM, I've seen numbers all over the place, but I believe the barrel life if pushing it as hard as the 300WSM is 800-1500 rounds. Of course, lighter loads will make it last longer, I've seen guys win comps with a 7WSM with 2500 rounds through it, and I believe the 1000yrd record is held by a 300WSM with 4500 rounds through it.</div></div>

You're contradicting yourself by estimating low barrel life then giving real world examples that are twice as high as your estimates.

I think low barrel life estimates have been perpetuated by shooters that over clean their barrels, and then hear-say beyond that. Because it has been shown time and time again that shooters are still getting competition winning accuracy out of rigs that have 2-3x the amount of rounds through them than the standard forum quoted numbers. And most of these competition shooters are loading hot to get the most out of their sticks....

Barrel life and barrel length are two of the most misunderstood/misquoted things I see on shooting forums; almost to the point of being old wives' tales....
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

Read my comment, I said pushing it hard, as in using max loads or near max loads for each barrel. The Higher round count was when using lighter, milder loads.
 
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Your stated examples are of shooters winning competitions with high round count barrels....

I'm not going to say all, but most competitors that I know load hot. Hotter=less drop/wind; less drop/wind=larger margin for error.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

Assuming equal pressure and case capacity, the smaller bore will wear faster.

Pretty sure we can all agree on that.
 
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The WSM's don't need to be pushed hard, the 300WSM can reach 1000 yards just fine with a mild load, the 1000 yard record is held by a 300WSM pushing out a 210 Berger VLD at 2850fps with a 30" barrel, which is actually a mild load closer to the starting load than max load. The 7WSM doesn't need to be pushed hard as well, we're not talking about shooting out to a mile when these rounds can be shot mildly and still reach 1000 yards easier than other calibers.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Assuming equal pressure and case capacity, the smaller bore will wear faster.

Pretty sure we can all agree on that.</div></div>

Fact
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

I love the 300. WSM, such a great round. Hopefully one day I'll build one. My 30. Cal choice would have to go to the 300. Win mag. Im currently getting a 300. Win mag built, got some Berger 210 vld's and H1000 powder on the way!
 
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Why a 20" barrel? I like short barrelled rifles so don't miss understand, but right tool for the job. Stretching out to the 1 mile mark at TVP with the funky winds out there and getting concistant hits is going to require velocity. Sure you'll be able to get close to 3k fps on heavy bullets with a hot rod case in a 20" gun, but it will require a lot of powder and the 20" barrel may limit which powders you'll be able to use effectivley. Unless you are looking to carry the ELR gun around in a truck for hunting or planning on using it outside of what you stated as the intent for the rifle. stay in the 24-28" barrel length. You'll get the best velocity using the most efficient powders which will prolong barrel life. Why by a race car that can do 220mph then slap a rev limiter on it?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why a 20" barrel? I like short barrelled rifles so don't miss understand, but right tool for the job. Stretching out to the 1 mile mark at TVP with the funky winds out there and getting concistant hits is going to require velocity. Sure you'll be able to get close to 3k fps on heavy bullets with a hot rod case in a 20" gun, but it will require a lot of powder and the 20" barrel may limit which powders you'll be able to use effectivley. Unless you are looking to carry the ELR gun around in a truck for hunting or planning on using it outside of what you stated as the intent for the rifle. stay in the 24-28" barrel length. You'll get the best velocity using the most efficient powders which will prolong barrel life. Why by a race car that can do 220mph then slap a rev limiter on it?</div></div>

I understand where you're coming from. I suppose I can find a folding stock to keep the footprint compact but I'm also concerned about hanging a stainless suppressor off the front of a 26"+ barrel.
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Godbullet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the way your stock looks. What is it?</div></div>

If it's me you're asking, it's a Manners T5A wrapped in tactical digicam duct tape with a homemade cheekrest made out of a cut up Eagle stock pack and(you guessed it) duct tape. I keep it classy.

www.mannersstocks.com
 
Re: Your .30cal of choice?

I'm in the same situation..have a REM 700 L/A to build a 30 cal from. Previously a 300 rum. Just can't make up my mind. Also thought about 338 edge but already have a lapua. And damn those. 338 are expensive to shoot. I'm thinking 300 win. Possibly switch barrel.