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Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wanted a dual purpose trigger

3-4 ounces for target

1.5 lb for hunting

Hmmmmm timney can't do that





JEWELL > timney</div></div>

There's a reason a Timney cannot do that...it's called safety.</div></div>

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Why Jewell so unsafe?</div></div>

Its not the Jewell it's the 3-4oz weight being way to light. I wouldn't want to be around you if you happen to drop that gun while chambered or have my finger ANYWHERE near the trigger until ready to fire! at that weight way too many things can go wrong and quickly.

That being said I like Jewell triggers and it's what is in all my comp guns.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

If the Jewell is properly installed/tuned, they are safe - no worries!!
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wanted a dual purpose trigger

3-4 ounces for target

1.5 lb for hunting

Hmmmmm timney can't do that





JEWELL > timney</div></div>

There's a reason a Timney cannot do that...it's called safety.</div></div>


Why Jewell so unsafe?</div></div>

No one said Jewel's were inherently unsafe. The act of adjusting a trigger multiple times in and of itself lends to the possibility of something going wrong. Besides the fact you're setting it at 3 oz. A strong gust of wind can set that off.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the Jewell is properly installed/tuned, they are safe - no worries!!</div></div>

Until they get real dirty and fail.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wanted a dual purpose trigger

3-4 ounces for target

1.5 lb for hunting

Hmmmmm timney can't do that





JEWELL > timney</div></div>

There's a reason a Timney cannot do that...it's called safety.</div></div>

ada3543d.jpg



Why Jewell so unsafe?</div></div>

Its not the Jewell it's the 3-4oz weight being way to light. I wouldn't want to be around you if you happen to drop that gun while chambered or have my finger ANYWHERE near the trigger until ready to fire! at that weight way too many things can go wrong and quickly.

That being said I like Jewell triggers and it's what is in all my comp guns.</div></div>

Gun is always pointed down range when taken off safety

I never even picked it up with a round chambered if I did it would be on safe any way

I beat the stock on the ground (unloaded) with it set at 4.5oz and it didn't fire
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

quote]Gun is always pointed down range when taken off safety

I never even pick it up with a round chambered if I did it would be on safe any way

I beat the stock on the ground (unloaded) with it set at 4.5oz and it didn't fire [/quote]

Not going to argue with you man...i guess if you are just sitting on a bench at a shooting range or laying prone you can priobably get away with it, you will still have that gun going off eventually before you are ready and if don't have that happen you don't shoot it very often. If your goal (and not sure it is) is to eventually shoot competition you will be increasing the weight of your trigger I guarantee it..in my opinion there is absolutely no reason to have a trigger set at that weight you are askign for trouble eventually. You,ve been lucky so far but eventually you will send one off in to the wild blue yonder hoping it didn't hit someone..
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Remember, this is not BR central. The comps and the way many of us shoot mimic actual field and combat scenarios which entail rifles getting very dirty very quickly along getting banged around. If you're not subjecting your rifle to that type of use, then this shouldn't be a concern.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">quote]Gun is always pointed down range when taken off safety

I never even pick it up with a round chambered if I did it would be on safe any way

I beat the stock on the ground (unloaded) with it set at 4.5oz and it didn't fire </div></div>

Not going to argue with you man...i guess if you are just sitting on a bench at a shooting range or laying prone you can priobably get away with it, you will still have that gun going off eventually before you are ready and if don't have that happen you don't shoot it very often. If your goal (and not sure it is) is to eventually shoot competition you will be increasing the weight of your trigger I guarantee it..in my opinion there is absolutely no reason to have a trigger set at that weight you are askign for trouble eventually. You,ve been lucky so far but eventually you will send one off in to the wild blue yonder hoping it didn't hit someone.. [/quote]

I don't really mean to argue just a friendly discussion.

I have no plans of shooting competition

I normally only shoot bench

When I first got the trigger I didn't have a gauge and I set it to low completely my fault and after multiple safety checks and shooting several rounds
It fired when I took it off safety and I still hit the target at 400yds.

So I got a gauge and set at 4.5oz and all is fine.

What would be considered safe for bench rest?
I have the B-spring installed 2oz-16oz
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't really mean to argue just a friendly discussion.

I have no plans of shooting competition

I normally only shoot bench

When I first got the trigger I didn't have a gauge and I set it to low completely my fault and after multiple safety checks and shooting several rounds
It fired when I took it off safety and I still hit the target at 400yds.

So I got a gauge and set at 4.5oz and all is fine.

What would be considered safe for bench rest?
I have the B-spring installed 2oz-16oz
</div></div>

You see, this is key. I completely respect that you shoot BR although it's not my cup of tea. I'm fine with you shooting off of a bench, that's your thing and that's great.

Where the issue lies is when people inquire about these types of things there is a HUGE difference between "clean" BR type shooting and field tactical type of shooting. So when you say you've never had a problem with your Jewel, we wouldn't expect you would given your shooting circumstances.

Now for those that pipe in and say "well I shoot in a dirty environment and I shoot a Jewel...yada yada yada" I'm sure you've had good luck. Good for you. Not EVERY trigger is going to fail or the company wouldn't stay in business. What we're talking about is a propensity to fail and the Jewels are much higher than the Timneys and others. So why roll the dice and take that chance?
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

You really can't go wrong with either. Wth the Timney, you get a great trigger for less price. With the Jewell, you get well, a jewell. What more could you ask for? I will say that if you get the jewell, be shure to keep it out of the dust and make sure it is clean when you shoot. Mine attracts it for some reason. Good shooting.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I've seen three Jewell's fail in the field, two of the three failed in a match. Those two failures knocked the shooters out of the remainder of the match. The trigger is so often overlooked when verifying reliability...
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I have both in very similar rifles and the question, like many others have stated, really comes down to intended purpose. Both excellent triggers but you should tailor your needs to what you are shooting.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: micahb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't really mean to argue just a friendly discussion.

I have no plans of shooting competition

I normally only shoot bench

When I first got the trigger I didn't have a gauge and I set it to low completely my fault and after multiple safety checks and shooting several rounds
It fired when I took it off safety and I still hit the target at 400yds.

So I got a gauge and set at 4.5oz and all is fine.

What would be considered safe for bench rest?
I have the B-spring installed 2oz-16oz
</div></div>

You see, this is key. I completely respect that you shoot BR although it's not my cup of tea. I'm fine with you shooting off of a bench, that's your thing and that's great.

Where the issue lies is when people inquire about these types of things there is a HUGE difference between "clean" BR type shooting and field tactical type of shooting. So when you say you've never had a problem with your Jewel, we wouldn't expect you would given your shooting circumstances.

Now for those that pipe in and say "well I shoot in a dirty environment and I shoot a Jewel...yada yada yada" I'm sure you've had good luck. Good for you. Not EVERY trigger is going to fail or the company wouldn't stay in business. What we're talking about is a propensity to fail and the Jewels are much higher than the Timneys and others. So why roll the dice and take that chance? </div></div>

Your 100% correct

I can't say anything about shooting dirty tactical situations sounds like timney is better suited for that.

I may be weird and I am a novice shooter but 1.5 pounds feels like a ton of bricks that's why I went with Jewell
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I guess after shooting a 4oz trigger 1.5 pounds would feel heavy LOL at 4 ozs you don't actually have to pull the trigger just graze it...at 1.5 you actually have to apply some pressure not very much but more. haha

good luck and have fun with it.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

You sure he isn't talking about 4 lbs? I have a feeling some of the oz numbers meant lbs. If you smack the stock on the ground with a 4oz trigger it will go off. I think some people got confused maybe..
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 0V3RC10CK3D</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sure he isn't talking about 4 lbs? I have a feeling some of the oz numbers meant lbs. If you smack the stock on the ground with a 4oz trigger it will go off. I think some people got confused maybe..</div></div>

No sir it's ounces
It's prett easy to read a Lyman digital gauge
I may not be real smart but I can read ounces and pounds lol

I smacked the stock on the ground several times never went off at 4.5 OUNCES!!

Sounds like I need to stiffen it up so il fit in lol
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PureKustomInc.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 1 to 3lbs Timney, That's the best trigger I have ever shot Period! No slack at all, it just breaks!</div></div>


+1
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I own 2 Timney triggers with about 1200 rounds through them combined set at 1.5lbs and they still feel flawless. I have a Jewel on back order to put on a new build just to see what all the fuss is about.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

+1 on the timney have one in every rifle I own
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

For the record when i first got the timney they had the pull weight set high and it seemed to have a little slack and after i dropped the pull weight down slack was all gone. Anyone know how low i can go without getting slam fires? I dont plan on slamming the bolt but dont need any problems period.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I like Timney triggers are I've found them to be less sensitive to grit and sand than Jewell triggers.

I was shooting in a sandstorm with 20 to 40mph winds, and I was surprised at how many high-quality bolt-action rifles malfunctioned because of grit in their triggers.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

if you own two timneys and they work for you i would cancell the jewell. they have a ton of slack and even when you drop the pounds the slack is still there even though you may not feel it as much when your in ounces but its there believe me. I sent my triggers back to jewell with no results and it did nothing but drive me more than crazy. I really wanted the jewell to work because i like light triggers but had to get rid of both of mine to stay semi sane!
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

+1 Jewell, factory set at 1lbs. Works great.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Assuming "long range shooter" means benching at a range, no reason to be afraid of a Jewell.


Lots of interesting comments in the thread, but if you are looking for a sub 1# clean breaking trigger to help your accuracy, Jewell is the ticket. I have Jewells in most of my varmint/ bench guns, set at 8 oz and enjoy having all of them set the same. When one gets hot, another jewell trigger pushing a different bullet takes it's place with no adjusting for a heavy trigger, etc.


Some people are unsafe with light triggers, some are not. Just like some people would be dangerous driving a Lambo, others should stick to a Yugo "for safety reasons" lol


I can only assume the negatives with Jewell are operator error, poor attitude during conversations, or both. And some are people who have bad days every time they wake up.

If you buy the jewell and don't like it, you won't loose much when you sell it...food for thought.


not sure if you replied to this, but what weight you want to run may change which is better for your question. Jewells don't like being set at higher weights, and shine sub 1#.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Great topic but the consensus is as clear as mud. From what I gathered:

Jewell for bench rest shooters looking for a very light trigger (but a large adjustment range as well)

Timney if you are looking for a little more ruggedness and pull around 1lb or more
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

i really liked being able to adjust the jewell but the only way for it to break clean [no slack i mean] is with less sear engament and makes it prone to slam fires. with the way jewell had it set from the get go it had slack. there is no way to get rid of the slack with the geometry of the trigger. safely i mean. if you have less sear eng with that trigger ther will be no slack i know this but slam the bolt once or bounce the butt on the ground and i know the firing pin will release. who wants a trigger like that? with little sear eng that trigger feels very nice no slack and no creep will break like a glass rod but is unsafe. maybe you dont feel the little bit of slack but its there and thats why jewells suck. im not here to argue people just need to get the facts right.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

sorry guys that last one from me was for hemiallen. not to good at typing and the internet!
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hemiallen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Assuming "long range shooter" means benching at a range, no reason to be afraid of a Jewell.</div></div>


WRONG!! This is not benchrest central. Long range here means the employment of tactical firearms, not BR race car stuff.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hemiallen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some people are unsafe with light triggers, some are not. Just like some people would be dangerous driving a Lambo, others should stick to a Yugo "for safety reasons" lol


I can only assume the negatives with Jewell are operator error, poor attitude during conversations, or both. And some are people who have bad days every time they wake up.</div></div>

These staterments only go to prove you're an idiot.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Just put my timney 510 on my sps last week. Haven't been able to make it to the range yet but it is waaaay better than the x-mark pro by far
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Had a friend at the SH Cup the other day that had his Jewell trigger mess up on him due to the dust in WY.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

+1 on the Timney 510. Got mine for half the price of a Jewell and am extremely happy with it in my 700.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

The guy that won the SH Cup runs a Jewell and keeps on racking up wins. They can't be as bad as everyone tries to make them out to be. I have a Black Ops rifle with a Timney and a Surgeon with a Jewell. Personally I like the Jewell better. I guess I will have to wait and see how it holds up in matches for me.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

nobody is trying to make jewell look bad, jewell does it themselves. we are just stating the facts. and fact is sooner than later you will have problems too. I have already been down the jewell road, im just smart enough now to take the detour.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Sorry to resurrect this thread but I am in the same boat. I am building a LR rifle from a .308 5R Milspec and I have everything figured out except the trigger. All i know is that i don't want the 4.75lb X-Mark trigger that's on it. I am already way over budget so at this point in the build, cost is an issue. From what I have read, I think i'll be just fine with Timney. I would like the flexibility to use it for more than just bench shooting.

From what i can tell, the options are a standard or straight trigger and blued or nickel plated. Any suggestions on the trigger style for the Timney 510?
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

i just put a spring in the xmark trigger, thats a cheap and good alternative to any aftermarket trigger. 10 dollars cheap! being better than the way the xmark was, there is still no comarison between a springed xmark and a timney, the timney breaks the same way every time the xmark breaks lighter but can vary in what weight it decides to break at
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

you folks running the Timney's, if you adjust it to 1.5lbs, is it considered safe? I am safe with my firearms, but I read some triggers that are adjusted low can be bumped and go "off." So, I don't know if that's reality, or not...you know the internet.

I'm glad I came across this post...I was just perusing Timney's on another window. I also came across a Shilen...decisions, decisions.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

My Jewell caused me to drop a stage or two at the last match I shot. I am not blaming the trigger, because I knew it needed to be cleaned but just forgot till the morning of the match. I didn't want to break down the rifle to clean so I just went with it.

Had I cleaned it before it would have been a issue. Having said all that I will not be changing from a Jewell, just cleaning it before a match....
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

if you had a timney you probably wouldnt have to worry about cleaning it as much. they will work well when dirty but clean is always better. you should rethink what your using, and stay in the match!
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I don't care for the thin trigger shoe on the Jewell.
Prefer the Timney with a wide shoe.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Have you considered a single set trigger. Brownells sells them for a variety of rifles. Personally, I have Timneys on my rifles but have a double set on my smoke pole. A friend has a double set on his Quigley.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

Almost a year from the last post I made in this thread, 2 trips to RO, multiple matches in Vegas and Phx, New Mexico in the mud, couple thousand practice rounds and my Jewells haven't missed a beat.

Neither has been cleaned since install...

Still carrying that damned lighter fluid in my ruck for when the "Jewell's don't work in the field" admonishions come true, but it'll probably have evaporated by then at this rate.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I had a Timney on my last 700 and the bolt release broke after 400 rounds. My next trigger will be a Jewell.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

There were two Jewells that went down at the SH Cup causing problems for the shooters. I wouldn't roll the dice and use one in a field rifle.
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Westtexan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jewel... Hands down! Cleans up with a little lighter fluid...
</div></div>

YUUUPP!!!</div></div>

Every trigger cleans up with lighter fluid. It's what you use to clean triggers. </div></div>

mike, what trigger did you go with on your gap?

also, ive heard a lot of people clean their triggers with lighter fluid...whats so special about cleaning with it?

thanks
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

never used lighter fluid, used carb cleaner thats cheap and works. i had a jewell and now have a couple timneys, got rid of the jewell cause its garbage and have had no reason not to buy more timneys, timney has a way better trigger than jewell and you can buy 2 for the price of a shitty jewell, and when i talked to jewell on the phone trying to get mine fixed it sounds like its a small company working in a shed, there customer service sucks and so do the triggers. i called timney for a question and they sound like a profesional company and there good to work with. i dont know what else to say but stay away from jewell or you will be bitching like me! dont know anything about other companys triggers but i would guess they would be better than jewell 2
 
Re: Jewell versus Timney for Remington 700?

I like Jewels, but you must keep the clean, so if your lazy get another trigger or have a qualified smith tune your factory trigger.
 
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