My cousin is coming home from the navy on leave and is wanting to buy a rifle for some long range shooting. he has a budget of around 15-1700 bucks for rifle, optics, and a mount and rings. he wants to go with the remmy and is trying to decide between the 1k or more 5r or the cheaper sps and save some for better glass. i dont have much experience with the 700s considering i am a savage guy. any help or advise would be appreciated to make this decision easier.
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Are you only considering the basic SPS and 5R? That's leaving out a LOT of models in between.
That's like saying you're considering a stripped down base model V6 Mustang and a Shelby 1000. You're skipping over every trim level in between the two extremes.
SPS
SPS Tactical
SPS Varmint
LS
LSS
VS
VLS
VTR
MTN
XCR
Tactical Target
5R
M24
etc etc
Are you only considering the basic SPS and 5R? That's leaving out a LOT of models in between.
That's like saying you're considering a stripped down base model V6 Mustang and a Shelby 1000. You're skipping over every trim level in between the two extremes.
SPS
SPS Tactical
SPS Varmint
LS
LSS
VS
VLS
VTR
MTN
XCR
Tactical Target
5R
M24
etc etc
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A 5R is just over $1000 from just about everyone online, so that doesn't leave much room for the rest of the rig. I say get a less expensive model to have enough money for the gear. That eliminates the 5R or other fancy stuff like the surplus M24 systems Remington is offering.
Just about everyone says get the heavy barrel, for heat and consistency reasons. That eliminates the base SPS you were considering.
Since in your list of "1700 bucks for rifle, optics, and a mount and rings" you didn't list a stock, so I'm assuming that your cousin is just going to use whatever comes on the rifle. That's fine, as long as the stock isn't the weak link compared to the rest of the rifle, accuracy wise. That eliminates the laminated wood and puts the Hogue stocked guns at a big disadvantage, and with that budget you won't be able to get a chassis. So probably not an SPS Tactical, SPS AAC-SD, SPS Varmint, or wood stock models.
The 5R comes with an excellent stock, the HS Precision with the aluminum bedding block, which is also standard on the VS and P series.
Your best bets are going to be:
VS series
P series
Or:
Cheaper Hogue stocked actions like:
SPS Tactical
SPS Varmint
XCR
VTR
with an upgraded and properly bedded stock. (several hundred bucks)
Try to get the rifle set up well for $600-900, leaving more cash for the rest.
A 5R is just over $1000 from just about everyone online, so that doesn't leave much room for the rest of the rig. I say get a less expensive model to have enough money for the gear. That eliminates the 5R or other fancy stuff like the surplus M24 systems Remington is offering.
Just about everyone says get the heavy barrel, for heat and consistency reasons. That eliminates the base SPS you were considering.
Since in your list of "1700 bucks for rifle, optics, and a mount and rings" you didn't list a stock, so I'm assuming that your cousin is just going to use whatever comes on the rifle. That's fine, as long as the stock isn't the weak link compared to the rest of the rifle, accuracy wise. That eliminates the laminated wood and puts the Hogue stocked guns at a big disadvantage, and with that budget you won't be able to get a chassis. So probably not an SPS Tactical, SPS AAC-SD, SPS Varmint, or wood stock models.
The 5R comes with an excellent stock, the HS Precision with the aluminum bedding block, which is also standard on the VS and P series.
Your best bets are going to be:
VS series
P series
Or:
Cheaper Hogue stocked actions like:
SPS Tactical
SPS Varmint
XCR
VTR
with an upgraded and properly bedded stock. (several hundred bucks)
Try to get the rifle set up well for $600-900, leaving more cash for the rest.
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For a Tad less than the 5R, the 700P should be considered. They have come up in price, but remain about 200 less than a 5R.
The 700P has a FAR better trigger than the SPS and the 5R, comes in a good HS precision stock that does not need replaced.
By the time you upgrade the stock on the SPS, you are very close to the price of the 700P, if you add in the cost for a better trigger in the SPS, it is a wash.
TPS mounting kit (picatinny rail and tps rings) from SWFA (129 bucks) and a weaver tactical 3-15 and you are set.
For a Tad less than the 5R, the 700P should be considered. They have come up in price, but remain about 200 less than a 5R.
The 700P has a FAR better trigger than the SPS and the 5R, comes in a good HS precision stock that does not need replaced.
By the time you upgrade the stock on the SPS, you are very close to the price of the 700P, if you add in the cost for a better trigger in the SPS, it is a wash.
TPS mounting kit (picatinny rail and tps rings) from SWFA (129 bucks) and a weaver tactical 3-15 and you are set.
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On that budget I would go with an SPS-V or the cheapest varmint contour savage I could get and save as much of the rest for optics. This place is great for picking up used stocks and optics cheap. Either one will give you a great gun.
On that budget I would go with an SPS-V or the cheapest varmint contour savage I could get and save as much of the rest for optics. This place is great for picking up used stocks and optics cheap. Either one will give you a great gun.
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A 5r just came up, on the "sale board". I've got one, and love it. Less than 100 rnds., he says. Base included. Maybe you can "deal", for the rings? 1k. Put a Nikon Monarch on it, and go shoot. The 8-32s come with the "target turrets", for app. 700. That's what i put on mine. Good Luck.
A 5r just came up, on the "sale board". I've got one, and love it. Less than 100 rnds., he says. Base included. Maybe you can "deal", for the rings? 1k. Put a Nikon Monarch on it, and go shoot. The 8-32s come with the "target turrets", for app. 700. That's what i put on mine. Good Luck.
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the total plan is buy a starter rifle. and then he will be going back to hawaii in a few weeks and he will be leaving the rifle with me. down the road a few months he wants to drop it in an xlr chassis and put a break on it and whatever else i can think of to add to it. so pretty much i will have a funded build on my hands for the most part. in the end it should be a pretty decent rig its just taking that first step on the initial purchase and for some reason this cousin of mine in the military agrees with everything i say on this buy/build. haha
the total plan is buy a starter rifle. and then he will be going back to hawaii in a few weeks and he will be leaving the rifle with me. down the road a few months he wants to drop it in an xlr chassis and put a break on it and whatever else i can think of to add to it. so pretty much i will have a funded build on my hands for the most part. in the end it should be a pretty decent rig its just taking that first step on the initial purchase and for some reason this cousin of mine in the military agrees with everything i say on this buy/build. haha
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I'd look at the Rem 700 AAC-SD for about $600-700. I'd spend the rest on glass. He can get a good deal on a Leupold Mark 4 M5 being that he's military. I'd take whatever was left over and buy a bipod, perhaps an H-S Precision take-off, and quality base/rings.
I'd look at the Rem 700 AAC-SD for about $600-700. I'd spend the rest on glass. He can get a good deal on a Leupold Mark 4 M5 being that he's military. I'd take whatever was left over and buy a bipod, perhaps an H-S Precision take-off, and quality base/rings.
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I'd either get the 5R or buy an SPS Tactical and toss an AICS stock on it.
See if he can expand his budget slightly for a much better rifle.
-Cheapest SPS Tactical or Varmint you can get ~$500
-AICS 1.5 Stock ~$800 (EuroOptic gives a 5% discount and free shipping)
-SWFA 10X42 SS MIL/MIL $300 (upgrade later)
-Seekins Rings / Base $200
-Timney Trigger $100
~Harris Bipod $100
Total - ~$2000
If he's on a budget you can find a lot of this stuff in the used for sale section im sure.
Maybe a Bell and Carlson 2094 stock for $400 if he wants to save some cash
I'd either get the 5R or buy an SPS Tactical and toss an AICS stock on it.
See if he can expand his budget slightly for a much better rifle.
-Cheapest SPS Tactical or Varmint you can get ~$500
-AICS 1.5 Stock ~$800 (EuroOptic gives a 5% discount and free shipping)
-SWFA 10X42 SS MIL/MIL $300 (upgrade later)
-Seekins Rings / Base $200
-Timney Trigger $100
~Harris Bipod $100
Total - ~$2000
If he's on a budget you can find a lot of this stuff in the used for sale section im sure.
Maybe a Bell and Carlson 2094 stock for $400 if he wants to save some cash
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Based on the budget, i suggest the sps tactical and weaver tactical 3-15x50 with seekins rings and bases.
Better glass is always recommended ahead a "better rifle". In this case, the 5r and sps tactical will shoot about the same.
SPS tactical= $650
weaver tactical 3-15= $700
Seekins base and rings=$95+120
Total= 1565
The stock sucks and if you can swing it, i'd suggest getting a Bell and Carlson Medalist Tactical stock as a replacement for $225.
Based on the budget, i suggest the sps tactical and weaver tactical 3-15x50 with seekins rings and bases.
Better glass is always recommended ahead a "better rifle". In this case, the 5r and sps tactical will shoot about the same.
SPS tactical= $650
weaver tactical 3-15= $700
Seekins base and rings=$95+120
Total= 1565
The stock sucks and if you can swing it, i'd suggest getting a Bell and Carlson Medalist Tactical stock as a replacement for $225.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kswift, what about a laminated stock eliminates it based on accuracy considerations? Thanks. </div></div>
Eliminated may not be quite correct, they're just much less preferable and need more work to be accurized
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Laminated stocks swell/expand/contract slightly[*]Depending on design, over-torquing can crush parts of the wood[*]Need to be worked for pillar bedding, extra time and expense[*]Need to be worked for glass bedding, extra time and expense[*]They do warp, the cheaper ones warp a lot, but better than solid wood[*]Few come with inset bedding blocks, the ones that do are expensive[/list]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kswift, what about a laminated stock eliminates it based on accuracy considerations? Thanks. </div></div>
Eliminated may not be quite correct, they're just much less preferable and need more work to be accurized
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Laminated stocks swell/expand/contract slightly[*]Depending on design, over-torquing can crush parts of the wood[*]Need to be worked for pillar bedding, extra time and expense[*]Need to be worked for glass bedding, extra time and expense[*]They do warp, the cheaper ones warp a lot, but better than solid wood[*]Few come with inset bedding blocks, the ones that do are expensive[/list]
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Me personally I would go 5R good factory stock and great barreled action 1:11.25 twist is very hard to beat not to mention 5R riffling and spend the rest on base,rings,scope and ammo. One more thing that is a very good start to a custom build for the future of course. Hahahahaha welcome to the addiction.
Me personally I would go 5R good factory stock and great barreled action 1:11.25 twist is very hard to beat not to mention 5R riffling and spend the rest on base,rings,scope and ammo. One more thing that is a very good start to a custom build for the future of course. Hahahahaha welcome to the addiction.
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I bought an SPS Varmint/Tactical as a starter rifle. The stock is gawd awful, so I bought a used Bell & Carlson for under $200. Put a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x scope on it (which I LOVE - great value) and a Harris bipod, and I've got a nice shooting gun for a tad over $1700.
I'm still using the stock X-mark Pro trigger, cuz frankly, I think it works great on my gun. Maybe I just got lucky.
I bought an SPS Varmint/Tactical as a starter rifle. The stock is gawd awful, so I bought a used Bell & Carlson for under $200. Put a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x scope on it (which I LOVE - great value) and a Harris bipod, and I've got a nice shooting gun for a tad over $1700.
I'm still using the stock X-mark Pro trigger, cuz frankly, I think it works great on my gun. Maybe I just got lucky.
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ACC-SD 1:10 twist and a bit of stock bedding in a B&C or simiular stock.
30 cal LOVES the 1:10 twist
ACC-SD 1:10 twist and a bit of stock bedding in a B&C or simiular stock.
30 cal LOVES the 1:10 twist
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5R! I have several of both in many different cal. and I will say that Remington spends a little extra time on their 5R rifles. They are hard to outshoot even with custom rifles. It comes down to the shooter. I used the 24" and the 20" with a break to win three matches against guys with full customs. I have 5 5r rifles and everyone has been a shooter straight out of the box. Luck? Either way, I am impressed. And I have several custom rifles with kreiger bartlein and Rock barrels. I know everyone's rifle on the internet shoots sub 1/2 moa lol but these really do!
5R! I have several of both in many different cal. and I will say that Remington spends a little extra time on their 5R rifles. They are hard to outshoot even with custom rifles. It comes down to the shooter. I used the 24" and the 20" with a break to win three matches against guys with full customs. I have 5 5r rifles and everyone has been a shooter straight out of the box. Luck? Either way, I am impressed. And I have several custom rifles with kreiger bartlein and Rock barrels. I know everyone's rifle on the internet shoots sub 1/2 moa lol but these really do!
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+1 to that flynlow3
+1 to that flynlow3
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Get a 5R ($1K) with a SWFA SS ($350ish) scope. Buy a Warne base ($100), and TPS rings ($100). If you decide to splurge on an optic and push your budget to the max...you can get a cheaper model Vortex Viper PST ($500ish). I think with those components...that would be the absolute best shooting rig you could put together, for the money you have to spend.
Get a 5R ($1K) with a SWFA SS ($350ish) scope. Buy a Warne base ($100), and TPS rings ($100). If you decide to splurge on an optic and push your budget to the max...you can get a cheaper model Vortex Viper PST ($500ish). I think with those components...that would be the absolute best shooting rig you could put together, for the money you have to spend.
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Since you said the plan is to replace the stock I would go with the SAC-AD. Ive seen them in the $650 range which leaves enough in your budget for decent glass. Whatever you do don't go cheap on the optics to get a "better" rifle.
Since you said the plan is to replace the stock I would go with the SAC-AD. Ive seen them in the $650 range which leaves enough in your budget for decent glass. Whatever you do don't go cheap on the optics to get a "better" rifle.
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i suggest a sps tactical aac-sd. here is a good setup to start with and one of the setups that i run. also a list of prices. keep in mind that i hunt and range shoot with this setup
sps tactical aac-sd- $635 budsgunshop
seekins 20moa base- $100ish
burris xtr low rings- $50-$60
vortex viper hs long range 4-16x50- $550
total around $1300-$1400, which leaves plenty of budget left to buy a good used stock or even some b&c stocks (i like the b&c light tactical). you could also just run the factory hogue stock for a little while and save up for a good stock of your liking. just make sure you trim the hogue where it wont touch the barrel while resting on a bipod. for the money, vortex is really hard to beat. also comes with a great lifetime warranty. hope this helps
i suggest a sps tactical aac-sd. here is a good setup to start with and one of the setups that i run. also a list of prices. keep in mind that i hunt and range shoot with this setup
sps tactical aac-sd- $635 budsgunshop
seekins 20moa base- $100ish
burris xtr low rings- $50-$60
vortex viper hs long range 4-16x50- $550
total around $1300-$1400, which leaves plenty of budget left to buy a good used stock or even some b&c stocks (i like the b&c light tactical). you could also just run the factory hogue stock for a little while and save up for a good stock of your liking. just make sure you trim the hogue where it wont touch the barrel while resting on a bipod. for the money, vortex is really hard to beat. also comes with a great lifetime warranty. hope this helps
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5r gets my vote
5r gets my vote
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I have both,but I shoot my 5r. I just love the looks and feel of the rifle. The 5r has a smoother running bolt than the sps and mine groups a little better.
I have both,but I shoot my 5r. I just love the looks and feel of the rifle. The 5r has a smoother running bolt than the sps and mine groups a little better.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flynlow3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5R! I have several of both in many different cal. and I will say that Remington spends a little extra time on their 5R rifles. They are hard to outshoot even with custom rifles. It comes down to the shooter. I used the 24" and the 20" with a break to win three matches against guys with full customs. I have 5 5r rifles and everyone has been a shooter straight out of the box. Luck? Either way, I am impressed. And I have several custom rifles with kreiger bartlein and Rock barrels. I know everyone's rifle on the internet shoots sub 1/2 moa lol but these really do! </div></div>
That's also my experience with the 5r series. I always replace the stock as I don't like the HS precision otherwise I have had great luck with .308 and .300 win mag......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flynlow3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5R! I have several of both in many different cal. and I will say that Remington spends a little extra time on their 5R rifles. They are hard to outshoot even with custom rifles. It comes down to the shooter. I used the 24" and the 20" with a break to win three matches against guys with full customs. I have 5 5r rifles and everyone has been a shooter straight out of the box. Luck? Either way, I am impressed. And I have several custom rifles with kreiger bartlein and Rock barrels. I know everyone's rifle on the internet shoots sub 1/2 moa lol but these really do! </div></div>
That's also my experience with the 5r series. I always replace the stock as I don't like the HS precision otherwise I have had great luck with .308 and .300 win mag......
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5r is better....i had it more than 500 rounds, and still hold 1/2 moa with factory ammo FGMM
5r is better....i had it more than 500 rounds, and still hold 1/2 moa with factory ammo FGMM
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Has he entertained the AAC-SD? It's price range is in between the 5R and the SPS. I'm not going to drown you in the specs because they are out there, almost everywhere. If you were leaning towards the SPS, I would suggest bumping up to the AAC-SD, you would just need to replace the stock.
Has he entertained the AAC-SD? It's price range is in between the 5R and the SPS. I'm not going to drown you in the specs because they are out there, almost everywhere. If you were leaning towards the SPS, I would suggest bumping up to the AAC-SD, you would just need to replace the stock.
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Is he stuck on a remmy? If you look in buds guns at the savage it's listed as 19055. This is a 24" 5r rifle accustock and trigger. Got mine for $744. And put a vortex pst 6-24x50 on it. Shots pinholes.
Is he stuck on a remmy? If you look in buds guns at the savage it's listed as 19055. This is a 24" 5r rifle accustock and trigger. Got mine for $744. And put a vortex pst 6-24x50 on it. Shots pinholes.
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What rifle did he get? Any updates?
What rifle did he get? Any updates?
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Just food for thought, not all 700P/PSS/LTR rifles come with the same triggers. Some come with the later X-Mark and some have 40X triggers or buy and earlier rifle with the older std Remmington trigger.
The 308win 20" & 24" 5R offerings are a good for all the above mentioned reasons. They all seem to shoot well, the twist rate is maybe a bit more favored over the 1-12" P/PSS/LTR 308 rifles, the stocks are decent and for some people the stainless is good to keep away corrosion or chances of rust.
I had an SPS-T 308 set up for my wife before, bedded it in a McM HGT and it shot very good for a factory 700R. I'm going to pick up another one or an AAC-SD just to have on hand for a future project as the price is right, they typically all shoot well out of the box and there's an endless amount of stock/chassis options available in a large price range.
Just food for thought, not all 700P/PSS/LTR rifles come with the same triggers. Some come with the later X-Mark and some have 40X triggers or buy and earlier rifle with the older std Remmington trigger.
The 308win 20" & 24" 5R offerings are a good for all the above mentioned reasons. They all seem to shoot well, the twist rate is maybe a bit more favored over the 1-12" P/PSS/LTR 308 rifles, the stocks are decent and for some people the stainless is good to keep away corrosion or chances of rust.
I had an SPS-T 308 set up for my wife before, bedded it in a McM HGT and it shot very good for a factory 700R. I'm going to pick up another one or an AAC-SD just to have on hand for a future project as the price is right, they typically all shoot well out of the box and there's an endless amount of stock/chassis options available in a large price range.
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hell i am sorry to update that the SOB didnt even buy a rifle when he was here, his future wife shut him down bad even to the point that he wouldnt return phone calls when i found him a used 5R for 750 bucks with a nikon scope and leupold rings. i figured it would have been a decent platform to start on but o well.
hell i am sorry to update that the SOB didnt even buy a rifle when he was here, his future wife shut him down bad even to the point that he wouldnt return phone calls when i found him a used 5R for 750 bucks with a nikon scope and leupold rings. i figured it would have been a decent platform to start on but o well.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOPGuN050</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hell i am sorry to update that the SOB didnt even buy a rifle when he was here, his future wife shut him down bad even to the point that he wouldnt return phone calls when i found him a used 5R for 750 bucks with a nikon scope and leupold rings. i figured it would have been a decent platform to start on but o well. </div></div>
Too bad. That 5R was a steal!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOPGuN050</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hell i am sorry to update that the SOB didnt even buy a rifle when he was here, his future wife shut him down bad even to the point that he wouldnt return phone calls when i found him a used 5R for 750 bucks with a nikon scope and leupold rings. i figured it would have been a decent platform to start on but o well. </div></div>
Too bad. That 5R was a steal!
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Holy shitballs! Poor guy, but there must be something magic under that girl's skirt to make him shut down like that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOPGuN050</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hell i am sorry to update that the SOB didnt even buy a rifle when he was here, his future wife shut him down bad even to the point that he wouldnt return phone calls when i found him a used 5R for 750 bucks with a nikon scope and leupold rings. i figured it would have been a decent platform to start on but o well. </div></div>
Holy shitballs! Poor guy, but there must be something magic under that girl's skirt to make him shut down like that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOPGuN050</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hell i am sorry to update that the SOB didnt even buy a rifle when he was here, his future wife shut him down bad even to the point that he wouldnt return phone calls when i found him a used 5R for 750 bucks with a nikon scope and leupold rings. i figured it would have been a decent platform to start on but o well. </div></div>
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o trust me i considered it i just didnt have the funds on me at the moment and by the time i got home from my match that weekend it was sold.
and to be honest the bitch isnt even a looker in my book, the problem is he knocked her up so she has him by the sac thats for sure. totally OWNED.
o trust me i considered it i just didnt have the funds on me at the moment and by the time i got home from my match that weekend it was sold.
and to be honest the bitch isnt even a looker in my book, the problem is he knocked her up so she has him by the sac thats for sure. totally OWNED.
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Hope your friend doesnt find this thread or he will know how you really feel about his soon to be non-beautiful knocked up bride.
Hope your friend doesnt find this thread or he will know how you really feel about his soon to be non-beautiful knocked up bride.
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1+ AAC-SD for 1 in 10" twist and threaded heavy barrel. The rest can be upgraded in steps.
1+ AAC-SD for 1 in 10" twist and threaded heavy barrel. The rest can be upgraded in steps.
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700p or 5R. dont waist time on the sps tac.
700p or 5R. dont waist time on the sps tac.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cwatson308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">700p or 5R. dont waist time on the sps tac. </div></div>
Hey dude, wtf are you getting ready to sell? You have been on a bullshit post rampage. As far as not wasting time on the sps tactical, can you expound on that? I have had a lot of time behind these (as have others I know) and I have never seen one that wouldnt shoot less than .75MOA (most closer to .5MOA) after you trash the bobo stock and put it in a decent one. I also have a lot of time behind 5R's and they have all been shooters too, but not appreciably better than the sps tacticals, once you restock them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cwatson308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">700p or 5R. dont waist time on the sps tac. </div></div>
Hey dude, wtf are you getting ready to sell? You have been on a bullshit post rampage. As far as not wasting time on the sps tactical, can you expound on that? I have had a lot of time behind these (as have others I know) and I have never seen one that wouldnt shoot less than .75MOA (most closer to .5MOA) after you trash the bobo stock and put it in a decent one. I also have a lot of time behind 5R's and they have all been shooters too, but not appreciably better than the sps tacticals, once you restock them.
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I love my 5r, wish I had gotten a 20 inch instead though.
I love my 5r, wish I had gotten a 20 inch instead though.
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Seeing all this talk about the 5Rs pushed me over the edge.
Picked up one from Clydes Armory this week.
(They have 2 left.)
Seeing all this talk about the 5Rs pushed me over the edge.
Picked up one from Clydes Armory this week.
(They have 2 left.)
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LanceS4803</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing all this talk about the 5Rs pushed me over the edge.
Picked up one from Clydes Armory this week.
(They have 2 left.)</div></div>
Excellent pickup, you won't be disappointed!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LanceS4803</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing all this talk about the 5Rs pushed me over the edge.
Picked up one from Clydes Armory this week.
(They have 2 left.)</div></div>
Excellent pickup, you won't be disappointed!
Re: 5r or sps
Don't forget you can sell the stock I meant the SPS V stock aint worth much but I sold mine for a quick 60 plus shipping in about 3 minutes on evil bay and it funded my bolt knob job. You may also want to check out the budget build on 8541 Tactical It's your price range Watch all the videos first it will show you a trick about buying your stock if your looking to do a DBM later on.
Don't forget you can sell the stock I meant the SPS V stock aint worth much but I sold mine for a quick 60 plus shipping in about 3 minutes on evil bay and it funded my bolt knob job. You may also want to check out the budget build on 8541 Tactical It's your price range Watch all the videos first it will show you a trick about buying your stock if your looking to do a DBM later on.
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