Re: Rem 700 Varmint @ Dicks for $350 on Black Friday
1. i do appologize to whomever i have “offended” with this, including the administration of the site and LL. the temp ban was the ruling, if that was the judgement, i accept it and not going to whine or try to repeal it in any fashion, or express any contempt for the site, LL, or the moderators. it is what it is and i understand their point of view, and i genuinely did not want to promote generating any “heat” toward the site. if i was shot a PM, email, or anything i would have deleted that post immediately, not to revisit it at all.
2. thanks to those that looked at this as no different than any other for sale NIB post for selling something, it’s exactly what is with no “sneaking around” of putting them up one at a time every couple of weeks or months. See #4, that may be viewed as more illegal than the all in thing I did.
3. perhaps it did take some stones for me to post them all up at 1 time, but further proving that i had no intention of sneaking around, which would be IMO more dishonorable – i hid nothing, how many of you guys are that up front in such a way? if NOT sneaking around makes one a weasel or so delicately put by many a “douchebag”, then so be it.
besides, how the hell am I screwing anyone? Do any of you think you have to buy one? putting up the rifles in the very same thread that depicts how much you can get one of the rifles from Dick’s...yeah that’s really trying to hide that I’m trying to screw you, and the “mint” i’m making on them.
by the way, do any of you know that i am an FFL basically negating the whole controversy before you cried wolf to? .....think about it.
4. well I’m not an FFL. I called the ATF myself to check the legality of doing this - and this is no way a "how to" - but for you “arm chair” ATF officers: The several persons I talked to undoubtedly agreed that this is a ONE TIME DEAL, NOT REPEATATIVE, NOT PART OF A CONTINUEING ACTION ON MY PART TO DEAL IN THE FIREARMS TRADE. Obviously, I was making a profit of some sort, and asked about that, ANSWER: IT IS NOT PART OF A REPEATATIVE ACTIVITY OR LIVELYHOOD. They further said the if it’s found by them that I or anyone does this in a repeatative manner, there will be consequences at that point. But (as written AND quoted by some of you the very same part of the statute) this is an occasional sale. Nothing continual, repeatative, of “engaged in the business of” as part of my livelyhood.
- I’m not gloating or anything here, nor teasing / taunting the real ATF guys that ARE monitoring the site for all the other stuff that gets posted here, nor am i mocking the law. I’m not trying to take advantage of a loophole or get around any laws or anything like that, just putting together a .243 for myself from the sale of the other rifles. If anything, enhancing my own personal collection, again like the real ATF folks on the phone told me is ok to do. likewise if they told me to cease and desist because it is felonous, everything would be pulled everywhere and their will would be done. nothing felonous going on here.
also intra state sales – yes you can ship a rifle to someone’s door if you wish, transportation of the package is ok if you notify the carrier or USPS what’s in the package withoug marking what’s in the package. i was asking for a photo through an email or PM, a copy of a driver’s license to match it up to and get the OLN / address off of it to keep as a record of where the rifle went to, and a bill of sale / receipt for an intra state sale, which is above and beyond what the law requires me to do. for some reason, folks are too cheap to pay the $5 fee for an actuall FFL transfer.
RADcustom nailed on the head with his post, thanks for pointing out what many others seemed to have skipped over...almost word for word what the ATF told me.
so i did due deligence on my part, actually raising my own red flag against myself if there was actually one to raise with the ATF.
How many of you guys actually checked before you fed on my carcass or given your “professional” advice to anyone else?
5. Let’s talk about those proceeds and how I supposedly “pooped” on other members...
I stood for 2 hours outside of dick’s. 28 degrees F on a holiday rather than spending it with my wife. And bushed from a day of being at the in laws for the holidays. Risked $2,600 in savings to purchase rifles with no guarrantee of a sale. By the time I weeded through the rebate BS that no one seemed to know clearly about, made the purchase and got out of there and home, it was 3:30 am. Got a call at 0900 to pick them up, another trip to a very congested mall area on black Friday, with barely any sleep and on a day I traditionally reserve to spend by going hunting with my other family members. –not whining or looking for some sort of sympathy or anything like that, but there was some personal inconvienance to obtain the rifles, no doubt about that.
so did i poop on other people? where you guys at midnight? pissed you may have missed out? too bad, should have been there instead of bed. so i stood in line, did the paperwork, made 2 trips through Black Friday traffic, blew off my usual holiday routines with family and friends, was a walking dead for lack of sleep for 2 days, nervous about not getting the rebates due to illegible forms and committing $2,600...and asking for something in return on a resale for all of that makes me a duoche as commented earlier.
6. to address the “fleecing” of members– take a look at prices at outlets of off the shelf regular priced rem 700 varmints...the lowest is walmart at 617.00 through the special order catalog. The 549.99 at dick’s isn’t the regular price, check it after christmas. Mine were posted at 550.00, no sales tax for you to pay either. Do the math. Sure I made something off of it for my troubles, but also presented a deal to those that didn’t want to go the extra effort to get 1 or 2 rifles on black Friday. i got a deal, and so did anyone else at 550.00 that didn't want to stand in line.
how many of you that were interested are going to try to haggle? probably everyone of you if you were interested, and @ 550.00 would give some room to play the haggle game with you.
7. let’s address the “options package “...i actually was going to build a Howa, using the very same things in the options package. i did the homework on the bolt on items to find the best prices, including shipping. again, anyone interested in doing the same type of basic / beginner budget build, I already did the homework on the best deals out there, and offered to piece them together or send separate for you to assemble yourself. then when the remington deal came along, i switched from the howa to the rem action. either way, do the math...not making much of anything on those “options packages”, intent was to actually help out a few people that wanted to go that route and NOT rape ‘em. plus I enjoy tinkering and those bolt on items are not really all that hard to do within an hour or two if you’ve done them before. Ask your gunsmith what he’ll charge to do that for a person that doesn’t feel confident enough to do it themselves. plus you guys always bitch about the repeatative post of newbies wanting to know “what rifle, what accesssories for a budget build” type posts, there it is laid out for you and a few oppurtunities to get their hand on one, still at a lower price than if they did it themselves and much lower and quicker than if they sent it to a smith. am i that much of a douchebag now?
remember #4 above? The same applies for the gunsmith stuff you guys put out there. it’s not a repeatative, continual, engaging in the business of doing such things for my livelyhood.
8. for the “Profile” guys – yeah, “FEDERAL EMPLOYEE” – how many of you guys get a check from uncle sam other than social security .....any DOD folks out there? any Nat. guard / reserve folks out there? Any national park security guards out there? any postal service janitors out there? any guys getting a pension from the good ol’ USA (thanks by the way for your service)? Yes you are federal employees or were at one time too. from soldiers to floorsweepers, your federal emplyees. sorry I didn’t put pencil pushing bean counter in my profile, there’s the big secret of what I do to pay the bills – very glamorous, but it sounds a heck of a lot better using federal employuee, eh? That is a whole lot better than “yeti hunter” “zombie killer” and all the other real occupations listed now isn’t it? yeah the profile isn’t worth 2 cents, what’s with the “profile patrol”...this is the internet, the land of make believe, if you think a profile is of something valuable, grow up.
oh yeah, by the way, am i going to jeopardize my cushey pencil pushing federal job for a couple of hundred bucks by doing something illegal? really? if i had one suspicion that would happen, i would not even dream of doing anything of the sort. especially a federal offense no matter how small or how big. especially something concerning firearms.
9. the mail fraud stuff – yeah first thought was alternate address for more rebates...that was stupid, and i was running on over 24hours with no sleep and whooped tired at that time....that was a stupid post by me i admit it....only submitting the ceiling of 4 rebates – again not risking my cushey bean counting job for $200.00 by falsifying rebate forms and committing mail fraud. after some sleep and a clearer head it just was stupid. the intent of that post was actually to point out the rebate website and how unclear the forms where at Dick’s for anyone that was going to try throughout the rest of the day. with all the barcodes, receipts, upc info, credit card info, all in the their computer, they’ll probably catch you doing something like that by crosschecking data, if they actually take it that far. if not putting you on mail fraud charges, by withdrawing the rest of your rebates, or both. my bad on that one, again not wanting to jeopardize my cushey pencil pushing job.
and if you are indeed running the numbers, that’s 400.00 worth of rebates on 6 rifles, not 6 rebates. after seeing how nice they actually were, i attempted to sell only 5, keep 1 putting whatever i made on the 5 into the 1 i kept for a foundation for competition use. even if I did sell 5 at a full 550.00 (not likely) and keep 1, total gain would be a mere $540, only to be eaten up by the very same “options package” applied to the rifle I kept, leaving no monetary capital gain on the sales.
again - no felony, no mail fraud, no screwing any members out of anything, no big "windfall" on the rifles.
lessons learned, i’ve deleted those previous posts, which i would have in the first place if i knew it would lead to such a controversy. But at least it showed me a little of how the pack mentality works through some of the comments made throughout the thread.
so if that makes me a douchebag, so be it, i'm a douchebag.
but i guess that also makes those that took tasteless sucker punch cheap shots at someone that couldn't defend themselves at the time....cowards - by definition. i'll take a douchebag over a coward any day.
so i deleted whatever i could here, it's LL's house and i'm going to shit in it nor was it ever my intention to that in the first place. whether anynon thinks it's bannable or not, that's not the debate, it's up to the admin, it's their rules that we must abide by, there is no use to deny that or whining about it.
though unfortunately, my posts remain in your "quotes posts" though i did try to delete them.
i'm sorry for the inconvienance to LL and his team and have to listen or waste their time messing around with something that i did that caused such a stir.
